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Post by polarbearpete on May 13, 2022 18:08:43 GMT -5
I wonder who the filler challenger is? Aliyah? Shayna? I like them but that's pretty sad. It will be Bayley just as a continued middle finger to anyone who cares about any other woman on this roster. That would be a great feud, though. Bayley could carry it on the mic and the in-ring should be fun.
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Post by mistery on May 13, 2022 18:12:00 GMT -5
Dave mentioned on WOR that "bigger shows" means stadium shows. And Becky/Bianca is being advertised locally for MITB, and they are on all of the advertisements for Summerslam and the UK show as well. And MITB, Summerslam, and Clash at the Castle are all back to back to back shows. And all of them are stadium shows. So Dave didn’t report that they’re running Becky vs. Bianca singles matches at all 3 stadium shows. I’d have to imagine they will run it at least once, but can’t imagine them running it at all 3. I want you to remember what company we are talking about here. This is the same company that ran Roman vs Brock into the ground as much as they could. And in this case, it's not unlikely to happen because Becky and Bianca are literally the only RAW women on the advertisements for the upcoming show.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on May 13, 2022 18:13:51 GMT -5
This is from the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter: - Current plans for Bianca Belair is for her to defend the title against Becky in a bunch of singles matches at the upcoming stadium shows (MITB, Summerslam, UK show). Asuka is only in the title picture so they can stall another Becky/Bianca singles match until the next stadium show. - Ronda Rousey is currently set to have a new contender set soon, but only as a filler challenger. They plan on running Ronda vs Charlotte over the summer at various stadium shows as well. So basically both title pictures are going to remain incredibly stale and the rest of the women don't matter.Welcome to Whose WWE Is It Anyway, the promotion where everything is phoned in and most of the roster doesn't matter!
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Post by polarbearpete on May 13, 2022 18:36:41 GMT -5
So Dave didn’t report that they’re running Becky vs. Bianca singles matches at all 3 stadium shows. I’d have to imagine they will run it at least once, but can’t imagine them running it at all 3. I want you to remember what company we are talking about here. This is the same company that ran Roman vs Brock into the ground as much as they could. And in this case, it's not unlikely to happen because Becky and Bianca are literally the only RAW women on the advertisements for the upcoming show. I mean maybe but the opening post you made is saying Dave reported that in the newsletter. But he didn’t. That’s your own guessing.
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Post by mistery on May 13, 2022 18:44:04 GMT -5
I want you to remember what company we are talking about here. This is the same company that ran Roman vs Brock into the ground as much as they could. And in this case, it's not unlikely to happen because Becky and Bianca are literally the only RAW women on the advertisements for the upcoming show. I mean maybe but the opening post you made is saying Dave reported that in the newsletter. But he didn’t. That’s your own guessing. He also touched on it in briefly on WOR. It's really not that hard to understand. Becky/Bianca is going to be the Summer feud lasting through several stadium shows. They are literally the only women on RAW advertised for it. And Ronda/Charlotte will be the Smackdown side of the equation. I get that you constantly like to defend WWE from any sort of criticism, but this booking is indefensible and just completely devalues the vast majority of their women's division. At this point, WWE may as well just cut every woman but Becky, Ronda, Charlotte, and Bianca because those are the only women who actually matter in Bruce and Vince's eyes. Keep in mind this is the same company that released Dakota Kai because she "wouldn't fit in on the main roster" which we all know is BS.
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Post by asuka007 on May 13, 2022 19:21:09 GMT -5
So basically more “we only care about like 4 people tops” booking from WWE. Oh joy.
Where does that leave Rhea BTW?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 13, 2022 19:28:52 GMT -5
Where that gif of Herr Tot's face melting when I need it?
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on May 13, 2022 19:32:10 GMT -5
I mean maybe but the opening post you made is saying Dave reported that in the newsletter. But he didn’t. That’s your own guessing. He also touched on it in briefly on WOR. It's really not that hard to understand. Becky/Bianca is going to be the Summer feud lasting through several stadium shows. They are literally the only women on RAW advertised for it. And Ronda/Charlotte will be the Smackdown side of the equation. I get that you constantly like to defend WWE from any sort of criticism, but this booking is indefensible and just completely devalues the vast majority of their women's division. At this point, WWE may as well just cut every woman but Becky, Ronda, Charlotte, and Bianca because those are the only women who actually matter in Bruce and Vince's eyes. Keep in mind this is the same company that released Dakota Kai because she "wouldn't fit in on the main roster" which we all know is BS. But... he's right. Dave never said "This is the plan". Like...this is just jumping to conclusions.
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Post by asuka007 on May 13, 2022 19:32:15 GMT -5
I wonder who the filler challenger is? Aliyah? Shayna? I like them but that's pretty sad. Raquel maybe? She’s new and big and has not had her credibility destroyed yet. Perfect (in WWE’s minds) to feed to Ronda then.
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Post by King Devitt on May 13, 2022 19:52:33 GMT -5
So if this holds true it just completely makes Rhea's heel turn completely useless since everyone had it set that the heel turn was leading her to be the one to beat Bianca specifically at summerslam. Gonna guess she gets the MITB cashes in for the UK show but fails to win the title. Seriously these plans complete f*** over so many talented women for the long term. Why would Rhea cash in for the UK show? She's Australian, not Irish, Scottish, or British...I guarantee you that Vince doesn't understand any of what you just said there. He'd totally put her on the UK show as the challenger without one shred of awareness as to why it's silly. I mostly feel bad for Asuka if this is all true, and I wish WWE saw in her what a lot of people will claim the company does, but they clearly don't.
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Post by Legion on May 13, 2022 20:19:05 GMT -5
That's the same as for the male talent then?
Roman vs Drew is going to be the summer program, with the odd hiccup.
And if you look across the aisle, this is not really any different to Adam Cole going after Hangman; we know they have 0 chance, but the story and match might be ok as we get through it.
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Post by Dub H on May 13, 2022 20:20:35 GMT -5
Asuka deserves so much more than just being treated as filler or jobber to the stars over and over
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 13, 2022 20:22:07 GMT -5
Think this goes to show the central problem with this whole, "More stadium shows, MORRRRRRE!" approach they're pushing - they just plain do not have a big enough or deep enough roster to be routinely doing fresh matches that actually feel important so their only option is to do the same shit over and over and over.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 13, 2022 20:44:28 GMT -5
OP has editorialized the hell out of what Dave said.
He made a throwaway comment that Charlotte will probably gun for Ronda when she comes back. He didn't say Charlotte/Ronda or Becky/Bianca would be happening a "bunch of times" or that they would happen on all 3 big stadium shows.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 13, 2022 21:02:06 GMT -5
If this holds up, I can't really say WWE's been booking their women's division any better than others like AEW's at this point, who feel like they're finally starting to use their women's roster depth to their advantage, while RAW and Smackdown are literally only using like four women in the main event scene, but again hopefully it could change?
I'm also so tired of how they treat Asuka... if she walks when the time comes, I will not be shocked, at all.
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Post by mistery on May 13, 2022 21:05:57 GMT -5
OP has editorialized the hell out of what Dave said. He made a throwaway comment that Charlotte will probably gun for Ronda when she comes back. He didn't say Charlotte/Ronda or Becky/Bianca would be happening a "bunch of times" or that they would happen on all 3 big stadium shows. The quote directly from the newsletter: "She is scheduled to return over the summer going for revenge." (ed note: The "She" in this case is Charlotte) Plus its really, really, really obvious that's the plans going forward. They have no one else on Smackdown at the moment (especially after tonight), and if you remember the PWInsider report on the creative depth chart the other day on how they view the RAW women position wise, Asuka is considered the second lowest babyface on the RAW roster at the moment, only ahead of Dana Brooke. Also Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca are literally the only women advertised for all of the upcoming stadium shows in title matches. But the point stands that the only women in the title picture over the Summer as of right now is Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca. That has already been advertised through local ads and even stuff on WWE's own materials. I don't think its a coincidence that in the case of Becky/Bianca, they are all over the advertising for Hell in a Cell, MITB, Summerslam, and the UK PPV. While Asuka is mysteriously missing from all of those ads.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 13, 2022 21:36:28 GMT -5
OP has editorialized the hell out of what Dave said. He made a throwaway comment that Charlotte will probably gun for Ronda when she comes back. He didn't say Charlotte/Ronda or Becky/Bianca would be happening a "bunch of times" or that they would happen on all 3 big stadium shows. The quote directly from the newsletter: "She (Charlotte) is scheduled to return over the summer going for revenge." Exactly. That's a big difference from the OP though which says Dave reported that Ronda/Charlotte are going to have "various" matches at the stadium shows and Bianca and Becky are also going to have "a bunch of singles matches" at the upcoming stadium show. I think it's just a matter of formatting. The way that's written seems like the stuff after the dashes are what Dave said and the final line is OP's own thoughts when in reality almost all of that is OP's prediction and not specifically what Dave actually reported.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 13, 2022 21:53:02 GMT -5
OP has editorialized the hell out of what Dave said. He made a throwaway comment that Charlotte will probably gun for Ronda when she comes back. He didn't say Charlotte/Ronda or Becky/Bianca would be happening a "bunch of times" or that they would happen on all 3 big stadium shows. The quote directly from the newsletter: "She is scheduled to return over the summer going for revenge." (ed note: The "She" in this case is Charlotte) Plus its really, really, really obvious that's the plans going forward. They have no one else on Smackdown at the moment (especially after tonight), and if you remember the PWInsider report on the creative depth chart the other day on how they view the RAW women position wise, Asuka is considered the second lowest babyface on the RAW roster at the moment, only ahead of Dana Brooke. Also Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca are literally the only women advertised for all of the upcoming stadium shows in title matches. But the point stands that the only women in the title picture over the Summer as of right now is Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca. That has already been advertised through local ads and even stuff on WWE's own materials. I don't think its a coincidence that in the case of Becky/Bianca, they are all over the advertising for Hell in a Cell, MITB, Summerslam, and the UK PPV. While Asuka is mysteriously missing from all of those ads.
I think it's simpler than that. WWE tends to advertise their shows well in advance using top stars in the advertising, even before the actual cards are known. They see Becky/Bianca as top stars, so they're gonna feature in those promos.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 13, 2022 22:32:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think for a second that WWE will literally book Bianca/Becky and Charlotte/Ronda for three major stadium shows in a row or whatever, and it doesn't seem like that's what Meltzer was really saying.
That said, going by how people discuss the division it seems like a stretch to see many other women as legitimate contenders to the current champs, and that seems to be the major point of frustration with WWE's 2022 booking: there are the top champs and then very few people who feel like they have any business even looking like contenders against them, let alone having a prayer of actually beating them.
Honestly, after all the releases these past two years it feels completely asinine for WWE to have three separate women's divisions between their three cable shows; the depth just isn't there to put together anything particularly interesting with any regularity, so things will seemingly always default to a lot of the same names. Seems to be an even worse problem with the men's side, oddly enough, given how dominant Roman's been, but at least the men's side has the sheer numbers so the perception of peril for the champ could at least be imagined.
Said it awhile back, but if someone got super drunk and made me the head of WWE's overall TV planning, before they were able to sober up and realize the extent of their mistake I'd have remade NXT into a weekly women-only show. As it is, it just reads like there's no reason at all to have separate divisions between Raw and Smackdown, not after they cut so many people.
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Post by mistery on May 13, 2022 22:57:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think for a second that WWE will literally book Bianca/Becky and Charlotte/Ronda for three major stadium shows in a row or whatever, and it doesn't seem like that's what Meltzer was really saying. That said, going by how people discuss the division it seems like a stretch to see many other women as legitimate contenders to the current champs, and that seems to be the major point of frustration with WWE's 2022 booking: there are the top champs and then very few people who feel like they have any business even looking like contenders against them, let alone having a prayer of actually beating them. Honestly, after all the releases these past two years it feels completely asinine for WWE to have three separate women's divisions between their three cable shows; the depth just isn't there to put together anything particularly interesting with any regularity, so things will seemingly always default to a lot of the same names. Seems to be an even worse problem with the men's side, oddly enough, given how dominant Roman's been, but at least the men's side has the sheer numbers so the perception of peril for the champ could at least be imagined. Said it awhile back, but if someone got super drunk and made me the head of WWE's overall TV planning, before they were able to sober up and realize the extent of their mistake I'd have remade NXT into a weekly women-only show. As it is, it just reads like there's no reason at all to have separate divisions between Raw and Smackdown, not after they cut so many people. I mean they could easily run Asuka/Bianca as a major stadium PPV match, but that doesn't seem to be the direction, because SOMEONE backstage doesn't see Asuka as an actual serious main eventer for the women these days. Hell, there's a house show coming to my town next month, and the ads they are currently running are: Bianca Belair vs Becky Lynch for the RAW Women's Championship, and Asuka vs Rhea Ripley vs Liv Morgan in a Triple Threat match. As for the depth issues, I don't think its a coincidence that the time women got was cut down massively once Triple H (and Stephanie) had to step away, and Bruce, Johnny, and Dunn all gained more power/influence backstage. And while WWE has pretty much always had a depth problem with the women, at least there was a fairly clear midcard at one point. At least better than it was now. Combine that with WWE cutting or releasing pretty much every veteran woman outside of Io Shirai, Alba Fyre, and Sarray on NXT, and the future looks real bleak.
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