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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 17, 2022 13:23:28 GMT -5
Midichlorians. How else do Jedi find other force sensitive? Planets submitting health records of newly borns to a government database and Jedi having access to those with high Midichlorian rates would make sense for recruiting. .....the Force? I don't necessarily hate the idea of there being something detectable within force sensitive people. But the explanation that the midichlorians are basically what gives force users their powers is just awful. It injects too much science into the magic for me. Switch it to being organism that are drawn to force users instead there being a casual link, and it works much better I think. Sensing a hand full of people out of trillions of beings over an entire galaxy and then trying to pin point that some how makes less sense that midichlorians to me.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 17, 2022 13:26:00 GMT -5
I still defend the Ewoks to this day. Star Wars is supposed to be about the underdogs triumphing because the bad guys underestimated them. Besides the Ewoks were better camouflaged, fighting on their home terrain, and had sheer weight of numbers. Not to mention it wasn't like they won single-handedly. The tide didn't really turn until Chewbacca commandeered that AT-ST. Thats an ideal defense of the Ewoks in the movie. People complain about the Ewoks existing period. I defend that with Lucas having the merchandise rights. He made this billion dollar property and merchandise was his payoff for it. If the man wants to make teddy bears to sell to the kids then just deal with it nerds.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on May 17, 2022 13:27:32 GMT -5
I always defended the “sparkly vampires” in the Twilight saga. I couldn’t give a shit about the films but I never found them to be an offence against the whole world like some people did. I wasn’t their intended audience and never intended to watch any of them or read any of the books. But people getting all bent out of shape about Vampires sparkling in the daylight really annoyed me. They’re fictional beings, they don’t have to follow any rules. And even if there were rules, nearly every other vampire film seems to change the properties of their behaviour and weaknesses anyway.
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Post by Stu on May 17, 2022 13:38:44 GMT -5
I'll defend "The Phantom Menace" as a whole other than using a kid to portray Anakin. The character should've been at least three or five years older.
Beyond that, I give George Lucas and crew credit for doing a story in an entirely different environment from what we were used to at the time. The story takes place decades before "A New Hope" and, thus, in a different setting. Furthermore, while understandably frowned upon, the politics was absolutely necessary for Palpatine to rise to power.
As for Jar Jar? I subscribe to the Darth Jar Jar theory and that makes his inclusion acceptable.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 17, 2022 13:50:19 GMT -5
I don’t know why this scene in particular is used to beat the film with a stick, I mean Temple of Doom had them jump out of a plane and land on a snow covered mountain without any bumps even I love and defend that scene too as I probably would have done the same. What are my other options? Jump without any support whatsoever. Try to land the rickety little plane on a mountaintop. Go the Legend of Zelda route by grabbing a chicken and "floating" down.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 17, 2022 14:11:55 GMT -5
I don’t know why this scene in particular is used to beat the film with a stick, I mean Temple of Doom had them jump out of a plane and land on a snow covered mountain without any bumps even I love and defend that scene too as I probably would have done the same. What are my other options? Jump without any support whatsoever. Try to land the rickety little plane on a mountaintop. Go the Legend of Zelda route by grabbing a chicken and "floating" down. I vote for: Indy and Short Round use Willie as a giant pillow and then surf her corpse down the mountainside.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 17, 2022 14:21:51 GMT -5
Sometimes, people get really angry about a character doing something illogical in a film and don't ask the question of, "But does it make sense for THIS character to make this mistake?" Case in point, Infinity War, Starlord's error in judgment. In that moment, that is what that character would do. Losing people is a particularly harsh thing on him, and as we saw in GOTG 2, he will lose his cool in these situations over it, even if it puts him in danger. Not saying these movies are high cinema or anything, but these are not flaws in the films themselves. That level of criticism makes me wonder if these types of people would have an absolute meltdown watching Othello. Yeah, I don't get anyone getting irritated at the Starlord action in the film. First, it moved the film along while creating a moment to have hope that the good guys were about to get a win. Second, narratively it fit his character to react like this. How would you react if you just learned that the guy before you murdered your significant other? Trying to smash his face in sounds like a legit answer to me. Thirdly, it also fit the narrative since Thanos successfully repelled a nearly successful attempt to wrest his prize from him that he would gain confidence and ease back on his violence to only that which was necessary. He considered killing Stark as a necessity and did kill Vision as a necessity, but everyone else was merely manhandled to the side. That left plenty of Avengers surviving the encounter and available to go on the time heist.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 17, 2022 14:28:10 GMT -5
I don’t know why this scene in particular is used to beat the film with a stick, I mean Temple of Doom had them jump out of a plane and land on a snow covered mountain without any bumps even I love and defend that scene too as I probably would have done the same. What are my other options? Jump without any support whatsoever. Try to land the rickety little plane on a mountaintop. Go the Legend of Zelda route by grabbing a chicken and "floating" down. Plus, Mythbusters actually tested the inflatable raft/parachute concept and it flipping worked! It would have been a nauseating and terrifying ride as the two ends of the raft alternated which was the higher one but the crash test dummies in the raft actually stayed in the raft and their impact sensors showed no life-threatening injuries would have occurred in the landing, which unlike the movie was a sudden stop on a desert floorbed as opposed to a slope that transferred vertical momentum to the horizontally. That means it totally could work, in theory at least.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on May 17, 2022 14:34:53 GMT -5
I don’t know why this scene in particular is used to beat the film with a stick, I mean Temple of Doom had them jump out of a plane and land on a snow covered mountain without any bumps even I love and defend that scene too as I probably would have done the same. What are my other options? Jump without any support whatsoever. Try to land the rickety little plane on a mountaintop. Go the Legend of Zelda route by grabbing a chicken and "floating" down. I’m not saying character wise it doesn’t make sense under the circumstances It just perplexes me that this is always the stick used to beat the film with in terms of “Its so unrealistic” and I’m like “Seriously? This is the bit that’s too far?” when other films have the Ark of the Convieant, the aforementioned scene in temple of doom, the cup of everlasting life in The Last Crusade People don’t like the film that’s one thing, I understand that and agree to an extent though is it any worse than ToD? But to point to this moment and say it’s dumb and/or realistic is just flat out weird
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 17, 2022 14:37:11 GMT -5
I'll defend "The Phantom Menace" as a whole other than using a kid to portray Anakin. The character should've been at least three or five years older. Beyond that, I give George Lucas and crew credit for doing a story in an entirely different environment from what we were used to at the time. The story takes place decades before "A New Hope" and, thus, in a different setting. Furthermore, while understandably frowned upon, the politics was absolutely necessary for Palpatine to rise to power. As for Jar Jar? I subscribe to the Darth Jar Jar theory and that makes his inclusion acceptable. Yeah, Anakin should have been older and maybe a fairly street wise as well. If I were in charge I would have had the scene where Qui-Gon figured out Anakin was Force sensitive when a group of gangsters tried to accost Jinn, Jar-Jar, and Padme in the streets after they leave Watto's (with the vague suggestion that they intend to sell Padme into bondage), only to have Anakin step in and suggest to the thugs that Jabba would be upset with them for being there while using a rudimentary version of the Jedi-mind trick. Even better, you can have a later scene where Anakin asks Jinn why he did not simply use his Jedi powers to get what he wanted out of Watto. Jinn can respond that he would have always insisted on paying for what he needs, but that Toydarians are resistant to mind manipulation, to which Anakin responds to himself, "Well, that explains a few things then."
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Post by Mozenrath on May 17, 2022 14:58:07 GMT -5
I think for Indiana Jones, Spielberg's interest in recreating old adventure serial vibes, with outlandish pulp comic scenarios and setpieces, realism wasn't ever a priority for him. I get that's not everyone's thing, but for better and worse, the fridge felt like a send-up to "Duck and Cover" Cold War naivete about nuclear war.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 17, 2022 15:02:37 GMT -5
I think for Indiana Jones, Spielberg's interest in recreating old adventure serial vibes, with outlandish pulp comic scenarios and setpieces, realism wasn't ever a priority for him. I get that's not everyone's thing, but for better and worse, the fridge felt like a send-up to "Duck and Cover" Cold War naivete about nuclear war. I think the film's real fatal flaw was that it was terrible. Nobody would be talking about the nuke the fridge thing if everything that followed was great. It would just be a silly thing.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 17, 2022 16:05:27 GMT -5
I think for Indiana Jones, Spielberg's interest in recreating old adventure serial vibes, with outlandish pulp comic scenarios and setpieces, realism wasn't ever a priority for him. I get that's not everyone's thing, but for better and worse, the fridge felt like a send-up to "Duck and Cover" Cold War naivete about nuclear war. I think the film's real fatal flaw was that it was terrible. Nobody would be talking about the nuke the fridge thing if everything that followed was great. It would just be a silly thing. That's probably part of the increased scrutiny, certainly. It's not like his riding a submarine was a whole lot less stupid.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 17, 2022 16:12:46 GMT -5
I think the film's real fatal flaw was that it was terrible. Nobody would be talking about the nuke the fridge thing if everything that followed was great. It would just be a silly thing. That's probably true. The first half of the movie is pretty fun. But in the second half, when there was a sword fight on top of a truck for no reason, then Marion drives the truck off a cliff because she somehow knows there's a branch there that will catch them and launch them back into the road. That stuff was just incomprehensibly dumb.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 17, 2022 16:15:58 GMT -5
I think the film's real fatal flaw was that it was terrible. Nobody would be talking about the nuke the fridge thing if everything that followed was great. It would just be a silly thing. That's probably true. The first half of the movie is pretty fun. But in the second half, when there was a sword fight on top of a truck for no reason, then Marion drives the truck off a cliff because she somehow knows there's a branch there that will catch them and launch them back into the road. That stuff was just incomprehensibly dumb. I think I could have accepted most everything else until we got actual aliens on screen. For some stupid reason my brain can wrap around the Ark of the Covenant being real and the Holy Grail but once we get weird actual aliens I was just done.
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Post by Ryushinku on May 17, 2022 16:31:02 GMT -5
That's probably part of the increased scrutiny, certainly. It's not like his riding a submarine was a whole lot less stupid. Haha, I forgot about the submarine thing from Raiders! Perhaps Indy had gills all along.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 17, 2022 16:42:19 GMT -5
As far as the Fridge Nuke, I've always said the issue isn't that the scene is unrealistic, because the Indy films are filled them stuff that wouldn't actually happen in real life.
The problem is that it's just not that cool a scene (at least in how it's executed), and because of that, most audiences can't as easily suspend disbelief. The aforementioned raft part in Temple of Doom is not practical when applying any realistic physics, but it's such a great adventure movie moment that you don't care. Crystal Skull's thing just doesn't feel like as much of a badass action adventure stunt (it basically leans into almost absurdist comedy) that you're not getting chills watching it like when Indy's battling on a tank, or riding in a minecart.
Basically, if Indy had somehow outraced a nuke via a plane it probably would have been just as silly, but the visual imagery alone would have had fewer people complaining about it.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 17, 2022 17:30:46 GMT -5
That's probably part of the increased scrutiny, certainly. It's not like his riding a submarine was a whole lot less stupid. Haha, I forgot about the submarine thing from Raiders! Perhaps Indy had gills all along. There's a lot of little things that need context if you think about them. Heck, even after Indy gets in the submarine, he steals two soldiers' uniforms after he knocks them out. I'm guessing Indy also killed these guys since he proceeds to sneak around the sub in this disguise... otherwise wouldn't the soldiers eventually wake up and sound the alarm? Oh...and at the beginning of the movie, Indy is followed into the jungle by three guys, however when he leaves in the plane, there are only two seats. Sure, I guess these guides didn't need to come with, but seems rather shady to leave those guides in the middle of the jungle... hopefully they would have been paid in advance.
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Post by peaches1 on May 17, 2022 18:07:41 GMT -5
Superman flying around the world really fast to reverse time.
As a kid I used to hate it because it was unrealistic but when you look at Supes as more of a mythic hero than a generic costumed good guy it's the kind of feat he should be able to pull off if sufficiently motivated.
Also, it's a powerful act of rebellion for a character who is supposed to be a goody two shoes Boy Scout against not just the laws of science but Jor-El's own wishes (his ghost/hologram/whatever appears right before Clark attempts it warning him not to do it).
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 17, 2022 21:37:23 GMT -5
I will, until my dying day, defend “Martha”
Dude was unstable, and I’ve known enough unstable people in my life, to know for a fact that it’s actually very reasonable that something as simple as hearing the name of his own mother would affect him like that.
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