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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 29, 2022 22:51:17 GMT -5
Seems like they were just hoping for an underdog pop and it didn't hit. Happens
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Post by mistery on Aug 29, 2022 22:56:39 GMT -5
Seems like they were just hoping for an underdog pop and it didn't hit. Happens It didn't hit because Aliyah is absolute hot garbage, and everyone but creative seems to realize that. She's like...utterly wretched at every single aspect of wrestling. The worst part is she's been in the company since 2015 and hasn't improved even one iota since then. Historians in 100 years are going to look back at this moment and just be utterly baffled at how something like this is even possible, because it's so stupid.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 29, 2022 22:56:48 GMT -5
Seems like they were just hoping for an underdog pop and it didn't hit. Happens Eh, the generally dead crowd did react a bit.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 29, 2022 22:59:13 GMT -5
That’s terrible
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Post by gl83 on Aug 29, 2022 23:03:02 GMT -5
Seems like they were just hoping for an underdog pop and it didn't hit. Happens It didn't hit because Aliyah is absolute hot garbage, and everyone but creative seems to realize that. She's like...utterly wretched at every single aspect of wrestling. The worst part is she's been in the company since 2015 and hasn't improved even one iota since then. Historians in 100 years are going to look back at this moment and just be utterly baffled at how something like this is even possible, because it's so stupid. Tiffany Stratton has been in the company for less than a year and is already miles better than Aliyah, who's been around for over 7 years.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 29, 2022 23:06:07 GMT -5
Seems like they were just hoping for an underdog pop and it didn't hit. Happens It didn't hit because Aliyah is absolute hot garbage, and everyone but creative seems to realize that. She's like...utterly wretched at every single aspect of wrestling. The worst part is she's been in the company since 2015 and hasn't improved even one iota since then. Historians in 100 years are going to look back at this moment and just be utterly baffled at how something like this is even possible, because it's so stupid. And Raquel cannot work in that role since she’s booked as nigh unbeatable and can take our teams by herself.
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Post by ARI WOW WOW on Aug 29, 2022 23:12:22 GMT -5
I get why they should be champions. These two will feud with better wrestlers and develop as wrestlers while holding the belts. Also, the creative may think that the smart "you-deserve-it era" fans would be on board since Raquel is one of the champions and Aaliya might get the acceptance of fans by just being there with her.
But, it'll probably be the other way around and fans would probably end up disliking Raquel because of Aaliya not deserving ...IT!
OR! May be Sasha and Naomi will be back in a short while and they're just there to be fed to them.
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Post by mistery on Aug 29, 2022 23:12:49 GMT -5
It didn't hit because Aliyah is absolute hot garbage, and everyone but creative seems to realize that. She's like...utterly wretched at every single aspect of wrestling. The worst part is she's been in the company since 2015 and hasn't improved even one iota since then. Historians in 100 years are going to look back at this moment and just be utterly baffled at how something like this is even possible, because it's so stupid. And Raquel cannot work in that role since she’s booked as nigh unbeatable and can take our teams by herself. Yeah. The fact that she kicked out of both Iyo and Dakota's finishers tonight was just utterly terrible booking as well. I get why they should be champions. These two will feud with better wrestlers and develop as wrestlers while holding the belts. Also, the creative may think that the smart "you-deserve-it era" fans would be on board since Raquel is one of than champions and Aaliya might get the acceptance of fans by just being there with her. But, it'll probably be the other way around and fans would probably end up disliking Raquel because of Aaliya not deserving ...IT! OR! May be Sasha and Naomi will be back in a short while and they're just there to be fed to them. I mean the damage has been done. Damage CTRL at best, look like absolute losers right now, despite having a legitimate grievance. If anything, if they continue to get screwed over, fans are going to wise up and start cheering them. Which would be bad for any babyface that goes against them. Also Raquel was already getting flat reactions, and now she's reignited the ire of Iyo and Dakota fans online, not to mention Bayley fans as well. And Sasha/Naomi coming back wouldn't work with them as heels, since they are going to get cheered no matter what. This was just an all around awful decision on the part of Triple H. Utterly indefensible.
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Post by canceled4truth on Aug 29, 2022 23:19:12 GMT -5
And Raquel cannot work in that role since she’s booked as nigh unbeatable and can take our teams by herself. Yeah. The fact that she kicked out of both Iyo and Dakota's finishers tonight was just utterly terrible booking as well. I get why they should be champions. These two will feud with better wrestlers and develop as wrestlers while holding the belts. Also, the creative may think that the smart "you-deserve-it era" fans would be on board since Raquel is one of than champions and Aaliya might get the acceptance of fans by just being there with her. But, it'll probably be the other way around and fans would probably end up disliking Raquel because of Aaliya not deserving ...IT! OR! May be Sasha and Naomi will be back in a short while and they're just there to be fed to them. I mean the damage has been done. Damage CTRL at best, look like absolute losers right now, despite having a legitimate grievance. If anything, if they continue to get screwed over, fans are going to wise up and start cheering them. Which would be bad for any babyface that goes against them. Also Raquel was already getting flat reactions, and now she's reignited the ire of Iyo and Dakota fans online, not to mention Bayley fans as well. And Sasha/Naomi coming back wouldn't work with them as heels, since they are going to get cheered no matter what. This was just an all around awful decision on the part of Triple H. Utterly indefensible. I am not trying to be an asshole when I say this: I think you would be happier just letting it play out. Like, I'm not saying "turn your brain off and never criticize WWE." That match sucked, the finish was awkward, I didn't like it either. But these are some wild assumptions based on what is clearly an ongoing storyline.
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Post by gl83 on Aug 29, 2022 23:21:16 GMT -5
I get why they should be champions. These two will feud with better wrestlers and develop as wrestlers while holding the belts. Also, the creative may think that the smart "you-deserve-it era" fans would be on board since Raquel is one of the champions and Aaliya might get the acceptance of fans by just being there with her. But, it'll probably be the other way around and fans would probably end up disliking Raquel because of Aaliya not deserving ...IT! OR! May be Sasha and Naomi will be back in a short while and they're just there to be fed to them. If anything, the smart "You deserve it"-era fans are going to be more behind and supportive of Dakota and IYO; since thanks to the previous regime, up until a month ago, Dakota was fired with her future uncertain and IYO had one foot out the door and was contemplating returning to Japan.
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Post by mistery on Aug 29, 2022 23:21:31 GMT -5
Yeah. The fact that she kicked out of both Iyo and Dakota's finishers tonight was just utterly terrible booking as well. I mean the damage has been done. Damage CTRL at best, look like absolute losers right now, despite having a legitimate grievance. If anything, if they continue to get screwed over, fans are going to wise up and start cheering them. Which would be bad for any babyface that goes against them. Also Raquel was already getting flat reactions, and now she's reignited the ire of Iyo and Dakota fans online, not to mention Bayley fans as well. And Sasha/Naomi coming back wouldn't work with them as heels, since they are going to get cheered no matter what. This was just an all around awful decision on the part of Triple H. Utterly indefensible. I am not trying to be an asshole when I say this: I think you would be happier just letting it play out. Like, I'm not saying "turn your brain off and never criticize WWE." That match sucked, the finish was awkward, I didn't like it either. But these are some wild assumptions based on what is clearly an ongoing storyline. Letting it play out has almost never ended well in WWE. People have been told that for years just for things to actually get worse.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 29, 2022 23:21:35 GMT -5
You could've brought in someone like Roxanne Perez for the Aliyah role here and it would have been a lot better.
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Post by canceled4truth on Aug 29, 2022 23:33:04 GMT -5
I am not trying to be an asshole when I say this: I think you would be happier just letting it play out. Like, I'm not saying "turn your brain off and never criticize WWE." That match sucked, the finish was awkward, I didn't like it either. But these are some wild assumptions based on what is clearly an ongoing storyline. Letting it play out has almost never ended well in WWE. People have been told that for years just for things to actually get worse. I personally give WWE a lot more leeway on these things after Bianca/Becky, and hell, that was under Vince. But I understand feeling burnt by WWE, I certainly did and I stopped watching for a while. But I'd also say things have overall gotten much better from when I first started watching. Idk, I'm probably not gonna change your mind, just my two cents.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Aug 29, 2022 23:34:38 GMT -5
I am not trying to be an asshole when I say this: I think you would be happier just letting it play out. Like, I'm not saying "turn your brain off and never criticize WWE." That match sucked, the finish was awkward, I didn't like it either. But these are some wild assumptions based on what is clearly an ongoing storyline. Letting it play out has almost never ended well in WWE. People have been told that for years just for things to actually get worse. It's a new creative regime, though.
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Post by mistery on Aug 29, 2022 23:39:05 GMT -5
Letting it play out has almost never ended well in WWE. People have been told that for years just for things to actually get worse. I personally give WWE a lot more leeway on these things after Bianca/Becky, and hell, that was under Vince. But I understand feeling burnt by WWE, I certainly did and I stopped watching for a while. But I'd also say things have overall gotten much better from when I first started watching. Idk, I'm probably not gonna change your mind, just my two cents. Look. There are only two ways you can spin this. WWE either kneecapped Damage CTRL with this finish and have no plans to follow it up. Or WWE will follow it up and will likely have to pivot and do a double turn because they are getting cooked everywhere right now. Because heels aren't supposed to be sympathetic. But there is no argument against the fact that they got screwed over. They didn't face any comeuppance tonight. They were just screwed over by utterly terrible officiating. And I am leaning towards Option A, because Graves outright tried to say that Dakota wasn't the legal woman, just for his mic to get cut off by production.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 29, 2022 23:46:08 GMT -5
I just don't see the major overreaction for acting like they dead in the water
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 29, 2022 23:50:01 GMT -5
I just don't see the major overreaction for acting like they dead in the water Agreed. But in fairness I also don't get the inverse "OMG ALIYAH YAS QUEEN YOU HAVE ASCENDED!" either. Different strokes tho. I will say they could have had the same outcome, but booked better. That's my gripe. And also that Aliyah is garbage. But she's pretty so it's okay
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 29, 2022 23:58:02 GMT -5
I just don't see the major overreaction for acting like they dead in the water Agreed. But in fairness I also don't get the inverse "OMG ALIYAH YAS QUEEN YOU HAVE ASCENDED!" either. Different strokes tho. I will say they could have had the same outcome, but booked better. That's my gripe. And also that Aliyah is garbage. But she's pretty so it's okay It's two things. Obviously people are happy for Aliyah and that's fair. People are mad Iyo lost because she is never supposed to lose. Hell, you have an underlying storyline now that whenever Iyo is across the ring from Raquel, she or her team takes an L. I am fine with the babyfaces winning. Iyo and Dakota are no less important now than they were a day ago. Aliyah was the most clear weak link, I get it but this isn't the end of the world. You rarely get heels getting cracks in their plan. It adds intrigue and makes them interesting and not invincible. God forbid they lose on Sat it might be a meltdown but my bold prediction and Bayley and her group will win more matches than they lose
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 30, 2022 0:03:40 GMT -5
Look it’s hard to get around the fact that Aliyah is terrible. Sorry, thar’s kind of a deal breaker. She stunk up the joint against Bayley, the latter managed to get a passable match out of Eva Marie yet struggled so mightily to get anything out of Aliyah. She is so bad that Raquel had to essentially win handicap matches because they trusted Aliyah to do basically nothing.
And THAT’S how you want to “bring prestige” to these belts. Also such a schmozz finish isn’t helping either.
You can say “let it play out” all you want. But you had your new heel faction with two of your best wrestlers lose 5 days before a PPV, so a team where one woman is completely inept could win the belts instead?
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 30, 2022 0:27:08 GMT -5
Agreed. But in fairness I also don't get the inverse "OMG ALIYAH YAS QUEEN YOU HAVE ASCENDED!" either. Different strokes tho. I will say they could have had the same outcome, but booked better. That's my gripe. And also that Aliyah is garbage. But she's pretty so it's okay It's two things. Obviously people are happy for Aliyah and that's fair. People are mad Iyo lost because she is never supposed to lose. Hell, you have an underlying storyline now that whenever Iyo is across the ring from Raquel, she or her team takes an L. I am fine with the babyfaces winning. Iyo and Dakota are no less important now than they were a day ago. Aliyah was the most clear weak link, I get it but this isn't the end of the world. You rarely get heels getting cracks in their plan. It adds intrigue and makes them interesting and not invincible. God forbid they lose on Sat it might be a meltdown but my bold prediction and Bayley and her group will win more matches than they lose "Cracks in their plans" they've won two matches together! Two! They debuted a month ago and beat one jobber team then won a rival match only to then lose to Aliyah. You can't act like a team is a big deal and then have them lose in their third match together against Raquel Gonzalez and Aliyah.
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