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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 28, 2022 22:29:08 GMT -5
Tinfoil time: What is Nick Khan offered him a bounty to no-show and get fired? Not going to go that far, but I wouldn't be surprised of an intermediary has given MJF a dollar value on what he can get right now if he can get out of this AEW contract. |
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Post by Clutchhausen on May 28, 2022 22:30:54 GMT -5
Work.
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Post by mattyy on May 28, 2022 22:31:36 GMT -5
Tinfoil time: What is Nick Khan offered him a bounty to no-show and get fired? Then Nick Khan is an idiot. AEW could very easily claim contract tampering since MJF has been strongly praising WWE since Cody left. |
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Post by Mecca on May 28, 2022 22:32:50 GMT -5
Tinfoil time: What is Nick Khan offered him a bounty to no-show and get fired? Not going to go that far, but I wouldn't be surprised of an intermediary has given MJF a dollar value on what he can get right now if he can get out of this AEW contract. So you mean Cody huh? |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 28, 2022 22:32:56 GMT -5
Tinfoil time: What is Nick Khan offered him a bounty to no-show and get fired? It would be going against how WWE has done business for decades. Always finish out your prior commitments. I don’t think they’re straying that far from their heritage. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 28, 2022 22:34:08 GMT -5
Tinfoil time: What is Nick Khan offered him a bounty to no-show and get fired? Then Nick Khan is an idiot. AEW could very easily claim contract tampering since MJF has been strongly praising WWE since Cody left. Nick Khan used to run the CAA and I know he’s basically been using his WWE run to get away with stuff he couldn’t do with celebrities and major film studios but…he doesn’t seem like a guy who’d want to get WWE in that much hot water. Especially since cases with ROH and TNA have lead to settlements of some kind. Like, you can describe him as callous, heartless and out to get as much money from WWE and Vince as he can before he rides off to the next gig but idiot? Absolutely not. |
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Post by DeeBee on May 28, 2022 22:34:44 GMT -5
Tinfoil time: What is Nick Khan offered him a bounty to no-show and get fired? It would be going against how WWE has done business for decades. Always finish out your prior commitments. I don’t think they’re straying that far from their heritage. This company's negligence caused a man to die on PPV, then they scooped him up and kept on truckin'. The 'Evil Empire' is capable of anything. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 28, 2022 22:35:00 GMT -5
We went from MJF pinning Punk in Chicago and legit crying because of it to this in months....how? The problem with MJF if is that he has no "off mode" when he's in public. I love MJF the performer and honestly, the few snippets I've seen of the guy in "off mode" make him seem genuinely likeable, too. Keeping up kayfabe in 2022 is cringe as f***, though. Worked shoots are/were almost always cringe. For every "pipebomb" there's 25 more or so 2000 WCW's. Kayfabe is dead. Stop trying to make backstage nonsense the new kayfabe. Let us just enjoy wrestling. I don't give a shit about contracts, I don't give a shit about what goes on backstage in terms of how it affects what I see in ring. I know what I'm watching is a performance, stop trying to blend the two. It's hokey, it's awful, it sucks. /rant over. Yeah, kayfabe is dead... you can't put the genie back in the bottle... so stop trying. Being an asshole in public because that's my character just makes you an asshole... also talking about contracts, ratings, etc. during a show does nothing but bore me to tears... A weird aside: when people were talking about Vince’s insistence on people finishing up their dates, I thought of a House of Hardcore show I went to. The Broken Hardys were in the co-main but a couple weeks before the show, they made their shocking return at Wrestlemania. Despite being the Raw tag team champions, they still worked that HoH show. The weird part is I just remembered MJF was on that card as well. That's not unusual. WWE generally lets outside talents finish their previously booked dates before bringing them in. And in some circumstances, continues to let them wrestle outside of the company if they can't start immediately. Sarray's situation is a good example of that. She got stuck over in Japan during the pandemic and WWE let her wrestle as much as she wanted while she was over there. The only date she couldn't keep was her STARDOM match against Mayu, but that wasn't because of WWE, and more because Sarray had gotten ill and had to miss the show. It's why I think WWE probably isn't going to take a serious look at MJF if he's walking out and not finishing his dates because of this. Because WWE actively encourages talents to finish their previous obligations first. If MJF had walked out AFTER putting Wardlow over, I doubt this would be anywhere near as bad. Tinfoil time: What is Nick Khan offered him a bounty to no-show and get fired? Zero percent chance. It would be a clear cut case of contract tampering, which WWE has actively tried to avoid since they tried it on ROH at one point but got caught. Hell Cesaro originally cancelled all of his dates to show up earlier at developmental... Vince heard that and fired him immediately. I don't remember that contract tampering I do remember some former Impact guy was trying to give WWE contract details... WWE fired him told TNA what they were doing... and then TNA tried to sue the WWE for contract tampering... which they lost. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 28, 2022 22:36:39 GMT -5
Wonder if should tweak the thread title to more accurately reflect the current situation, since Joe was kind of a non-story while MJF has heavily escalated.
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Post by DeeBee on May 28, 2022 22:38:03 GMT -5
I don't get the people who are saying this is a work. There's being a heel and then there's screwing fans out of their money they paid to meet you at a meet and greet.
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Post by mistery on May 28, 2022 22:39:13 GMT -5
I don't get the people who are saying this is a work. There's being a heel and then there's screwing fans out of their money they paid to meet you at a meet and greet. I mean keep in mind MJF launched his own crypto coin at one point and ran off with the money (all crypto is a scam to be fair), and people just bought it as him being a heel. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 28, 2022 22:40:34 GMT -5
I don't get the people who are saying this is a work. There's being a heel and then there's screwing fans out of their money they paid to meet you at a meet and greet. "It's a work" gets called over stuff constantly and it's only ever been a work like once or twice in the past decade. The shit that doesn't happen in front of an audience is just never a work. |
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Post by Clutchhausen on May 28, 2022 22:42:16 GMT -5
I don't get the people who are saying this is a work. There's being a heel and then there's screwing fans out of their money they paid to meet you at a meet and greet. Sounds like the ultimate heel move. |
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Post by ghost on May 28, 2022 22:43:02 GMT -5
I don't see the point if this is a work. Like, what's the end game? To make MJF more of a heel? To make people buy the PPV out of curiosity to see if MJF shows up? Anything that robs fans out of something that was advertised is simply not smart business. No chance they did that intentionally. I guess "MJF no showed because he was scared of Wardlow showing up" is one kayfabe way to explain it, but there is a stipulation that Wardlow can't touch MJF prior to their match or the match is off, so even in kayfabe there's really no way to spin it. I mean I guess if MJF works the match tomorrow then they can spin it whichever way they want to, but I don't think it makes much sense as a work.
This really irritates me. It is hard to get me invested into a wrestling storyline in 2022. This storyline hooked me in. Give the fans the conclusion it deserves, and give Wardlow his moment.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 28, 2022 22:44:06 GMT -5
Also, the case for this not being a work…it’d basically wreck Sean Ross Sapp’s career to an extent. In the same way Keller has from a lot of his stories where it’s obvious WWE or others have fed him info to say and Brad Shepard for…being Brad Shepard.
Like…every post afterwards he’d write, he’d be accused of being a puppet and not believing it because they can cite this MJF stuff and of course he wouldn’t want that. He’d go from “most trusted” to “worked rag” in a heartbeat.
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Post by xCompackx on May 28, 2022 22:44:15 GMT -5
I don't get the people who are saying this is a work. There's being a heel and then there's screwing fans out of their money they paid to meet you at a meet and greet. I mean keep in mind MJF launched his own crypto coin at one point and ran off with the money (all crypto is a scam to be fair), and people just bought it as him being a heel. In fairness, crypto scams are literally people asking to have their money taken. Like, I'm not condoning it by any means, but especially this example where a heel who is known for not only being a heel, but riling fans up, makes a crypto coin out of the blue? That's textbook example of "don't partake". |
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Post by Mecca on May 28, 2022 22:46:11 GMT -5
Also, the case for this not being a work…it’d basically wreck Sean Ross Sapp’s career to an extent. In the same way Keller has from a lot of his stories where it’s obvious WWE or others have fed him info to say and Brad Shepard for…being Brad Shepard. SRS certainly backtracked in that last tweet. |
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Post by mistery on May 28, 2022 22:47:31 GMT -5
I mean it was mentioned previously but the past few months haven't looked good for AEW no matter how you slice it. Ever since Cody left, the wheels have been falling off fairly quickly. You have MJF walking out (which is bad no matter how you cut it), Warner Discovery in full on cost cutting mode (with AEW under an intense spotlight right now), Tony's constant childish (and sometimes borderline unhinged) tweets, the whole situation with Big Swole, and Emi talking about AEW's mistreatment of the joshi, and the development of the big AEW game being...less than ideal. At this point, Tony needs to hire on some actual executives and a PR firm to get everything back on track instead of trying to do everything himself.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 28, 2022 22:48:04 GMT -5
Also, the case for this not being a work…it’d basically wreck Sean Ross Sapp’s career to an extent. In the same way Keller has from a lot of his stories where it’s obvious WWE or others have fed him info to say and Brad Shepard for…being Brad Shepard. SRS certainly backtracked in that last tweet. He didn’t backtrack as much as rightfully point out how important it was to get the trusted sources he has and make sure all the Is are dotted and Ts crossed because of MJF’s own history. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 22:48:22 GMT -5
The problem with MJF if is that he has no "off mode" when he's in public. I love MJF the performer and honestly, the few snippets I've seen of the guy in "off mode" make him seem genuinely likeable, too. Keeping up kayfabe in 2022 is cringe as f***, though. Worked shoots are/were almost always cringe. For every "pipebomb" there's 25 more or so 2000 WCW's. Kayfabe is dead. Stop trying to make backstage nonsense the new kayfabe. Let us just enjoy wrestling. I don't give a shit about contracts, I don't give a shit about what goes on backstage in terms of how it affects what I see in ring. I know what I'm watching is a performance, stop trying to blend the two. It's hokey, it's awful, it sucks. /rant over. Yeah, kayfabe is dead... you can't put the genie back in the bottle... so stop trying. Being an asshole in public because that's my character just makes you an asshole... also talking about contracts, ratings, etc. during a show does nothing but bore me to tears... There is no other fictional medium where they do this. Imagine if El from Stranger Things just dipped out after season 3 and season 4 episode 1 is just hopper burying Millie Brown for being a diva for wanting more money to come back. It'd be like The Daleks complaining about not being featured as heavily in the last season of Doctor Who despite being rating draws. It's just so asinine and stupid. The moves in the ring are real, there's legit danger, it does require athleticism, so to that extent it's a sport. The rest of it is not. The rest of it is, as the old adage goes, just a male soap-opera. I'm sure there's some out there who live and die by the "Stories behind the stories", or whatever, but for the most part, I just don't *care* about the personal life aspect of the performers, and I'm sure most of them would like their privacy respected, as well. |
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