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Post by Celexa Bliss on May 29, 2022 11:42:13 GMT -5
If AEW releases him and he shows up in WWE shortly thereafter crowing about what he did, AEW could very well file a contract tampering suit just to get to discovery and see what shakes out. Tony has the money to throw at this. WWE, with it's shareholders, would do well to not try and force his hand. There's no way AEW or anyone else wants to open that can of worms. Jeff Hardy debuted in AEW the day his no-compete ended. You'd have to be the most gullible person in the world to believe that he contacted Tony for the very first time that morning, negotiated a deal, arranged travel to whatever city Dynamite was in and magically had a whole line of merch ready to sell all within a matter of hours, not to mention there was all the teases on TV for weeks beforehand. Legal or not, Tony clearly struck a deal with Hardy before his previous contract expired just like every big company in any sport does. Matt flat out said in an interview a week or two earlier that Jeff was coming in and was just waiting for his WWE deal to expire. Someone obviously got in his ear and told him to watch what he was saying because the next day in another interview he tried to walk back those comments. It's this weird thing were literally everyone knows it happens all the time but you can't admit to doing it because it's illegal. This is nothing new in the wrestling business. People jumped between WWF and WCW all the time in the Monday Night Wars. Hall and Nash, most notably, who had WCW deals for three months before their final WWF appearances. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 29, 2022 11:45:17 GMT -5
SRS did a twitter thread and said he wouldn't be shocked if MJF is working but made it quite clear that nobody in the company thinks Tony is in on anything. Basically said MJF is very smart and has always done things that he felt would benefit him the most long term... but he doesn't really see how this does that.
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Post by Kalmia on May 29, 2022 11:48:00 GMT -5
If MJF is working but he didn't let AEW (or at least Tony) in on it, then he's a dumbass.
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 29, 2022 11:48:11 GMT -5
This fiasco has already kind of destroyed the MJF/Wardlow story, because the focus totally shifted and will stay shifted until the end of it. Poor Wardlow. It’s overshadowed the entire show at this point, which also sort of goes against the “It’s a work, bro!!!” theories. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 29, 2022 11:49:37 GMT -5
This fiasco has already kind of destroyed the MJF/Wardlow story, because the focus totally shifted and will stay shifted until the end of it. Poor Wardlow. Imo the storyline still has the conclusion it should if Wardlow beats MJF tonight, I dont think it hurts him But that's if they have the match |
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Post by oxbaker on May 29, 2022 11:53:52 GMT -5
If they release him, that would presumably be made public. (But even if it wasn’t, this is true.) Once he’s released he’s allowed to find other work. Do you think AEW would sue any future potential employer on the hunch that the contract was interfered with. The lawsuit would be thrown out if there’s no merit way before discovery. You can file a lawsuit for any reason you want, but for it to go forward there has to be something to back up the tampering charge other than ‘after we released him free and clear he found other work.’ They’d need some kind of evidence that WWE had been involved than just ‘well that’s where he ended up.’ I mean, they didn’t sue Cody. And he ended up there after being released. Cody's contract ran out, big difference Per reports, AEW felt that the contract rolled over and Cody’s side thought it had an escape clause. AEW just decided not to pursue it and let him go. But tampering can still exist before the contract expires if that’s the case — AEW could allege that WWE tampered before the last day of it. If anything, them outright releasing MJF (if that happened) makes any such claim moot. ‘Hey, you let the guy go … you can’t now come to court and say it’s another company’s fault that you decided not to hold him to it.’ Because they don’t have to release him at all. That would be their choice. |
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Post by Celgress on May 29, 2022 11:55:40 GMT -5
My Thoughts -
If this is not a work and I was TK I'd offer MJF a reasonable deal with a substantial raise (the guy is with it), however, if MJF wants something ridiculous like as much or more than say CM Punk, I'd make him sit out the remainder of his contract at home and might even exercise the extension clause at the end to make him stay longer. From a business POV, I'd make an example of MJF if he tried to screw me before a pivotal PPV so no one else will try the same tactic later. If a shoot, MJ is being extremely unprofessional and should be taught a painful lesson accordingly.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2022 11:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by Tiiulicious on May 29, 2022 11:59:08 GMT -5
Can we stop with the 'it's a work' thing? There's zero proof anything is being worked, because if it was, there would be constant updates from the AEW twitter account speculating and so would the roster. SRS has point blank said that Tony's not working.
I mean, if the man isn't happy, he can leave but the way he's doing it, is making him look like the biggest douchecanoe. He's possibly torpedoing someone else's career, while having a temper tantrum and that's not cool. He wants out so bad, do the match with Wardlow and then ask for his release. I doubt the boys respect someone, who's willing to screw over an entirely innocent party. Trying to leverage your employer? Sure, it happens in business in all the time. But directly screwing over someone, who has no say in MJF's contract status or backstage gripes is 100% grade A selfish prick behaviour. The next time he's unhappy about something, who will be collateral damage then? That has to be a thought in some of the boys backstage. If you can't trust your co-worker, especially in this business, that's baaaaad.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 29, 2022 12:02:58 GMT -5
Here's hoping it does and they worked it out, though I feel unless a statement comes out, we're gonna be waiting for these updates literally until the show starts |
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 29, 2022 12:03:14 GMT -5
I don’t fall into the no show is a work crowd, necessarily.
But that said I’d been stuck on this idea lately that MJF is the Modern Pillman. Except without Tony in on the angle like Easy E was with Pillman during that whole angle.
If this somehow ends with Max pulling a gun on Mox after he breaks into his palatial Long Island estate some random Wednesday night…
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Post by oxbaker on May 29, 2022 12:03:15 GMT -5
My Thoughts - If this is not a work and I was TK I'd offer MJF a reasonable deal with a substantial raise (the guy is with it), however, if MJF wants something ridiculous like as much or more than say CM Punk, I'd make him sit out the remainder of his contract at home and might even exercise the extension clause at the end to make him stay longer. From a business POV, I'd make an example of MJF if he tried to screw me before a pivotal PPV so no one else will try the same tactic later. How could they exercise an extension clause if they choose to send him home and not use him? That wouldn’t be him being unavailable, it would be more ‘creative has nothing for you, we’ll give you a call when we need you.’ I don’t think they could extend the contract for missing a meet and greet, but if they did it would be for, what, three hours he didn’t work lol? |
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Post by Celgress on May 29, 2022 12:04:48 GMT -5
My Thoughts - If this is not a work and I was TK I'd offer MJF a reasonable deal with a substantial raise (the guy is with it), however, if MJF wants something ridiculous like as much or more than say CM Punk, I'd make him sit out the remainder of his contract at home and might even exercise the extension clause at the end to make him stay longer. From a business POV, I'd make an example of MJF if he tried to screw me before a pivotal PPV so no one else will try the same tactic later. How could they exercise an extension clause if they choose to send him home and not use him? That wouldn’t be him being unavailable, it would be more ‘creative has nothing for you, we’ll give you a call when we need you.’ I don’t think they could extend the contract for missing a meet and greet, but if they did it would be for, what, three hours he didn’t work lol? Dude, I meant if MJF and TK can't come to terms because MJF wants Punk money or something similar and refuses to show up from this point forward. I'd make him sit out the full contract and extend him say six months or whatever too if I could. No way would I fire him if I was TK so he can go to the E right away. This type of behavior can't be rewarded. |
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Post by pinja on May 29, 2022 12:10:13 GMT -5
This fiasco has already kind of destroyed the MJF/Wardlow story, because the focus totally shifted and will stay shifted until the end of it. Poor Wardlow. Imo the storyline still has the conclusion it should if Wardlow beats MJF tonight, I dont think it hurts him But that's if they have the match Indeed, if it happens. There's a nervousness attached to the match now that has nothing to do with the story. Does the match happen? Does the match happen as intended? If it happens, every little detail in especially MJF's behavior during it will be weighted tenfold against this new background. Wardlow winning will still be a moment, but it will come with an unintentional sigh of relief. I was looking forward to the match, I really was, now I'm out of it completely. I want promotions and wrestlers to focus on publicizing their work, not their working relationships. |
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Post by mattyy on May 29, 2022 12:10:16 GMT -5
If AEW releases him and he shows up in WWE shortly thereafter crowing about what he did, AEW could very well file a contract tampering suit just to get to discovery and see what shakes out. Tony has the money to throw at this. WWE, with it's shareholders, would do well to not try and force his hand. There's no way AEW or anyone else wants to open that can of worms. Jeff Hardy debuted in AEW the day his no-compete ended. You'd have to be the most gullible person in the world to believe that he contacted Tony for the very first time that morning, negotiated a deal, arranged travel to whatever city Dynamite was in and magically had a whole line of merch ready to sell all within a matter of hours, not to mention there was all the teases on TV for weeks beforehand. Legal or not, Tony clearly struck a deal with Hardy before his previous contract expired just like every big company in any sport does. Matt flat out said in an interview a week or two earlier that Jeff was coming in and was just waiting for his WWE deal to expire. Someone obviously got in his ear and told him to watch what he was saying because the next day in another interview he tried to walk back those comments. It's this weird thing were literally everyone knows it happens all the time but you can't admit to doing it because it's illegal. the difference was Jeff was released which is essentially "we're firing you, here's a notice of it" and he was released due to false accusations from the company. Now should he have explored employment before those 90 days were up? no. But there is an argument for wrongful termination there as well. Now with MJF, the man has been openly praising WWE in the media. He's been talking about how he wants more money now and not signing anything before 2024. He's been talking about how much he's watching their product. MJF has tweeted out "f*** this place" in regards to out of storyline AEW Media Calls. MJF, while people may love his "I'm always in character" schtick would have shot himself in the foot because anyone could see that there is a case for tampering. "I got Bruce Prichard on speed dial" was a line in a promo not too long ago, after all. |
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Post by clifford on May 29, 2022 12:19:10 GMT -5
If this match does go ahead MJF is going to get the mother of all hostile crowds. Mf'ers gonna be jumping the guard rails to take a swing. Which to MJF is exactly what he wants.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 29, 2022 12:21:08 GMT -5
I'm so glad that Samoa Joe's thing was just a miscommunication cause that would have honestly been crazier than MJF walking out. The thought of Samoa Joe being AEW's 08 Booker T just making the backstage atmosphere miserable is kinda hilarious tho. Main Event Mafia for life. I am imagining Joe sitting backstage and realizing ... wait a minute... I can be the asshole legend now! then merrily skipping down the cooridor >_> |
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Post by Celgress on May 29, 2022 12:22:30 GMT -5
If this match does go ahead MJF is going to get the mother of all hostile crowds. Mf'ers gonna be jumping the guard rails to take a swing. Which to MJF is exactly what he wants. This made me chuckle because my late grandmother who was a huge fan of Southern Wrasslin' back in the day, always called MJF the "MF'er" from the time he betrayed Cody until she passed away last year. It was still real to her dammit!  |
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Post by Celexa Bliss on May 29, 2022 12:22:47 GMT -5
To everyone asking how MJF benefits by working the fans and the office, the answer is really simple. What is everyone focused on right now? Punk/Hangman? BCC/JAS? The Owen? Thunder Rosa/Serena Deeb? Nope. Everyone's talking about MJF, is he going to be there, will the match with Wardlow happen? He's the guy at the center of the PPV hype right now, all because of this. So work or shoot, he still benefits the same way, because his name is one the collective tongue of the entire wrestling world right now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2022 12:23:23 GMT -5
I'm so glad that Samoa Joe's thing was just a miscommunication cause that would have honestly been crazier than MJF walking out. The thought of Samoa Joe being AEW's 08 Booker T just making the backstage atmosphere miserable is kinda hilarious tho. Main Event Mafia for life. I am imagining Joe sitting backstage and realizing ... wait a minute... I can be the asshole legend now! then merrily skipping down the cooridor >_> No, silly, he just struts more than usual. Except he knocks more people to the ground, to which people go “What an asshole”. Except Serpentico. He gets knocked down, Nyla runs over and goes “Ha ha” over his fallen body and runs away. |
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