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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 29, 2022 12:48:29 GMT -5
I forgot they resigned him. What's he been doing? Showed up at the last ROH show, suggesting that he's being moved there. |
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Post by nisidhe on May 29, 2022 12:50:19 GMT -5
I don't think it matters anymore whether MJF shows up or not. He's not just getting the usual heel heat if he shows: he'll be getting "Go home, you're done" heat. Being in-character 24/7, _especially_ when one's character is an asshole, increasingly feels as though that character is the real personality.
As for Wardlow, the worst-case scenario calls for him to annihilate Shaun Spears. The best-case scenario, the one which undermines MJF's position entirely and obliterates this story almost completely, would be for Tony to put Wardlow in the title match with Page and Punk and win the whole shebang out from under them. Page and Punk's feud can continue without the title; and Wardlow, for at least a little while, has managed to do what MJF couldn't.
Then, let's see what MJF will or can do next. Will WWE take him after something like this, especially given their own issues with Sasha and Naomi? I'm not sure they will.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on May 29, 2022 12:51:03 GMT -5
Adding to this (just so I can be seen with the cool kids), Evil Uno has just tweeted asking what match everyone is looking forward to with a video which still has MJF vs Wardlow in it. Putting 2+2 together and probably getting 5 but you’d have thought they’d have stopped him tweeting that if a card change had happened?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2022 12:57:18 GMT -5
Adding to this (just so I can be seen with the cool kids), Evil Uno has just tweeted asking what match everyone is looking forward to with a video which still has MJF vs Wardlow in it. Putting 2+2 together and probably getting 5 but you’d have thought they’d have stopped him tweeting that if a card change had happened? Like Alverez said in a tweet I put up a couple of pages earlier, match is still happening. The hype video is still uploaded to YouTube and all that. Right now, it’s likely the plan of it still happening and we’re likely in the negotiation period of making it happen if MJF is still in Vegas. |
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 29, 2022 13:12:18 GMT -5
The man should be smart enough to realize bidding wars are profitable. WWE's offer will be significantly less if their offer is the only one on the table.
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Post by Mecca on May 29, 2022 13:17:06 GMT -5
The man should be smart enough to realize bidding wars are profitable. WWE's offer will be significantrly less if their offer is the only one on the table. I think he knows that but also realizes he has 18-24 months to get to that and is annoyed he won't get a raise unless he prolongs that bidding war 5 more years. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 29, 2022 13:21:43 GMT -5
Cody's contract ran out, big difference Per reports, AEW felt that the contract rolled over and Cody’s side thought it had an escape clause. AEW just decided not to pursue it and let him go. But tampering can still exist before the contract expires if that’s the case — AEW could allege that WWE tampered before the last day of it. If anything, them outright releasing MJF (if that happened) makes any such claim moot. ‘Hey, you let the guy go … you can’t now come to court and say it’s another company’s fault that you decided not to hold him to it.’ Because they don’t have to release him at all. That would be their choice. If MJF wants to go AEW are almost in a lose/lose situation. If they release him he could show up in WWE the next week and they've handed their competition a generational talent. If he's unhappy for the next 18 months that negativity will be terrible for locker room morale. If they send him home and try to force him to sit out his contract that way they'll look as petty as WWE when they do it to people (although I don't doubt that some of AEW's more cult-like fanbase would happily cheer billionaire Tony on doing that just like there's the vocal minority who want WWE to freeze Sasha and Naomi's contracts to punish them and stop them going elsewhere). |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2022 13:22:41 GMT -5
The man should be smart enough to realize bidding wars are profitable. WWE's offer will be significantrly less if their offer is the only one on the table. I think he knows that but also realizes he has 18-24 months to get to that and is annoyed he won't get a raise unless he prolongs that bidding war 5 more years. The raise stuff has been denied. SRS said countless times that TK is willing to pay the money to keep him. Whatever this is, it isn’t about money. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 29, 2022 13:24:53 GMT -5
The man should be smart enough to realize bidding wars are profitable. WWE's offer will be significantrly less if their offer is the only one on the table. Yes but if he’s unhappy and wants to leave now, his contract expiring in 18-24 months probably doesn’t work for what he wants. |
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Post by Dub H on May 29, 2022 13:30:16 GMT -5
The man should be smart enough to realize bidding wars are profitable. WWE's offer will be significantrly less if their offer is the only one on the table. Yes but if he’s unhappy and wants to leave now, his contract expiring in 18-24 months probably doesn’t work for what he wants. Again, if he wants to leave because he is unhappy, not because of money ,you DONT hold a show hostage for money. Maybe there is a chance and the reports are wrong its about money,he still waited at the single worst moment to leave when he had plenty of time BEFORE and perfect timing AFTER the show that doesnt involve nuking his value |
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on May 29, 2022 13:40:45 GMT -5
If MJF doesn’t show up to do his job Tony Khan just needs to send Wardlow out to the ring with the mic and say the following, “Long Island New York must be the chickens*** capital of the world”
Wardlow will be made man after tonight one way or the other.
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Post by crazydom on May 29, 2022 13:50:03 GMT -5
I think he knows that but also realizes he has 18-24 months to get to that and is annoyed he won't get a raise unless he prolongs that bidding war 5 more years. The raise stuff has been denied. SRS said countless times that TK is willing to pay the money to keep him. Whatever this is, it isn’t about money. Isn't the story that he wants a raise without an extension? Which TK would be a moron to give him. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 29, 2022 13:50:54 GMT -5
MJF spotted on Long Island  Source: actuallyrealwrestlenewz.biz He shrunk himself and locked himself in a plastic prison rather than do the right thing. >_> |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 29, 2022 13:53:33 GMT -5
Yes but if he’s unhappy and wants to leave now, his contract expiring in 18-24 months probably doesn’t work for what he wants. Again, if he wants to leave because he is unhappy, not because of money ,you DONT hold a show hostage for money. Who said it's for money? Maybe AEW are willing to give him a bigger contract but he just wants to go to WWE. There will always be players from the number two team who dream of going to the number one team. MJF doesn't strike me as one of these Bryan Danielson doing it for the art types. He wrestles on average once every month or two when he could easily do indies on the side if he wanted to. He's alluded before that he wants to become as big a star as possible and leverage that into an acting career. WWE is the biggest possible platform if that's his goal. Maybe he watched Cody's entrance in front of 70,000 at Wrestlemania and thought I want a piece of that. If he wants to leave I think he should be allowed to. I'd be a hypocrite not to seeing as I've walked out of jobs when I was unhappy. He should put Wardlow over first though. Not for Tony or the companies benefit but simply for Wardlow. This is the biggest match of his career. Imagine after all the great build up if HHH walked out the day before Wrestlemania 21 and Batista didn't get his win over him. Any other day if MJF was adamant about wanting to leave I'd let him but not today, he has to put Wardlow over then he can go. If he walks out and doesn't do the match then it's such a scummy move to screw over Wardlow like that. AEW should fire him immediately and WWE shouldn't go near him because he could do the same to them in the future. I'm pretty sure the match will happen though. AEW wouldn't still be promoting it on their socials a few hours before the show if it wasn't. |
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Post by greyfmdan on May 29, 2022 13:58:45 GMT -5
What if an ominous, last minute stipulation is added like "contract vs. contract"? Then we know Tony talked MJF off the career cliff to do the right thing [tonight], but will allow him to pursue other interests. I could see Tony letting MJF cut and I Quit promo afterwards And (without permission) air-writing “W W E” with his finger. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 29, 2022 14:00:42 GMT -5
In my opinion, yes. The situations with Banks/Naomi is different as they left before a show after trying to plead their case. They didn't no-show an event fans had specifically paid to see them at. They didn't put WWE in as difficult a position as MJF has with AEW here if he no-shows Double or Nothing, which will also affect Wardlow and possibly Spears too. I strongly disagree. No showing Raw affected all the women they were suppose to compete with that night and going through Hell in a Cell. Doudrop and Nikki didn’t get to appear on Raw in a match neither of them was winning. Asuka and Becky’s program got moved back a month probably. That’s a far cry from what MJF no-showing would do to Wardlow. |
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Post by Legion on May 29, 2022 14:05:30 GMT -5
Internet fans, specifically. Those who are reading the news and Twitter and getting worked up over the 'MJF wants to go to WWE, OMG, he is going to betray AEW, we must boo him totally and not cheer him on the side!' Does he need that? No. Could he and Tony think that's a great idea? Yes. He's young and Tony has a strange sense of 'if I think this is cool, everyone else will!' when it comes to his decisions. Yes, it would be scummy for people who came to see him at the meet and greet not to get him, but there were other people there, right? So it wasn't totally pointless or for nothing. It just feels very 'old fashioned heel move' to me, and then to carry on and have leaks about planes and contracts - it feels like someone thinking this would be something that would keep heat as heat, rather than turn MJF in to smark cheerbait, which could easily happen and clearly isnt what they want. I dunno, maybe I'm working myself, but it just doesnt feel legit to me. There's literally no benefit to work the fans though. Especially since they paid for him specifically to be there and mind you when he's there hes in character. The angle sold itself and its molten hot. Adding this late to the game does nothing to the PPV audience, it only really benefits the live crowd and even then they would've been hot for the match anyway. So I fail to see whats the point. Like I said myself, Tony has a strange sense of thinking what he thinks is cool everyone else will too. I cannot buy he's been dumb enough to let himself get done over by MJF in this way given his experience in business and how long this silly back and forth has been going on, so I have to believe this is just him believing he's got a hot wrestling angle to work here - even if he's just overbooking and overworking to the point of pointlessness. Or maybe he is that dumb, and I'm also dumb for trying to find something else to explain this. |
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Post by markymark on May 29, 2022 14:06:49 GMT -5
The MJF/Wardlow youtube vid on the AEW account is now private.......
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 29, 2022 14:10:07 GMT -5
I strongly disagree. No showing Raw affected all the women they were suppose to compete with that night and going through Hell in a Cell. Doudrop and Nikki didn’t get to appear on Raw in a match neither of them was winning. Asuka and Becky’s program got moved back a month probably. That’s a far cry from what MJF no-showing would do to Wardlow. At the very core of it, Naomi and Sasha left before a program could begin. Wardlow is potentially being walked out on at the very final climax of his huge star-making storyline. It's another galaxy. |
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Post by Kay Faban on May 29, 2022 14:12:30 GMT -5
MJF leaving is worse than Sasha and Naomi walking out.
But.
The it feels like the main reason some cheered them and are upset with MJF is simply that they like AEW and dislike WWE.
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