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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 28, 2022 21:33:55 GMT -5
Not if it blackballs him from AEW/NJPW/Impact then WWE lowballs him cause he has nowhere else to go. Stuff like this is something WWE doesn't really tolerate either (see the convo a few pages back of Vince making sure people finish indie dates before starting). MJF is not going to get black balled, or low balled, by anyone. WWE could absolutely lowball him if they wanted to if it really came to that. There is such a thing as losing leverage, and Vince has some sort of standard, no showing meet and greets and walking out on a huge match? Look at how he treated Sasha and Naomi for walking out on arguably a much cooler angle? Bad timing in my opinion if this is legit. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 28, 2022 21:34:16 GMT -5
If this is a work - which I think there is very little chance of - it's absolutely f***ing moronic. Oh yeah, let's go ahead and make it in serious doubt whether or not one of our marquee PPV matches is actually going to happen under 24 hours before the show, and even waste money on refunding fans at an autograph signing and buying a plane ticket to really put it over, all to put over an angle that based on the current information available can't actually be seen all the way through for another two years anyway.
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Post by nate5054 on May 28, 2022 21:34:23 GMT -5
I don't think the meet-and-greet stuff is all that damaging, though it doesn't make him look good. It's an easy recover for him.
Skipping out on tomorrow though...yikes. Even the threat of it. Like I'm not buying this PPV because I just can't buy $50 PPVs in my life, but if I were planning to, this type of thing would make me less likely to pull the trigger, not more.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 28, 2022 21:35:23 GMT -5
I don't think the meet-and-greet stuff is all that damaging, though it doesn't make him look good. It's an easy recover for him. Skipping out on tomorrow though...yikes. Even the threat of it. Like I'm not buying this PPV because I just can't buy $50 PPVs in my life, but if I were planning to, this type of thing would make me less likely to pull the trigger, not more. Yeah, honestly I've been totally on board with buying the PPV to this point but this is giving me serious pause on it because while other things look good, MJF / Wardlow is what I really want to see. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:35:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah I definitely agree with you on that. They'll definitely pay him less after this, for sure. He also severely risks his negotiating position. Not just from a pay standpoint, but potentially getting that "Cody deal" that gives him a lot of creative leeway. Instead it's a lot more likely that he would just get repackaged by the WWE creative machine into someone who if he pulls this with them, is expendable. If this is really about money, he looks like a real idiot because now he's just a glorified midcarder. Especially if they were going to push him to the main event/championship picture and the pay raise and future free agent bargaining position that comes with it. Oh yeah I definitely agree with you on that. They'll definitely pay him less after this, for sure. Everything is relative. Will they pay him less than they might have 2 years from now? Almost certainly. Will they offer him less than he’s making right now? Not knowing what he’s making but knowing it’s a ‘rookie contract’ offered to a guy straight out of MLW for a then-startup enterprise with no competing offers, almost certainly he’d be making more from WWE day one if he was released right now. Yep to the both of these posts.
This whole thing's weird. Do we even know when his contract's expiring? It it soon or what?
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Post by asuka007 on May 28, 2022 21:35:56 GMT -5
Man. IF, IF, MJF waited until the night before the show which is meant to cement Wardlow as a new big star, on a big PPV, to decide to be a diva.
That would be hard to forgive.
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Post by nate5054 on May 28, 2022 21:36:04 GMT -5
If this is a work - which I think there is very little chance of - it's absolutely f***ing moronic. Oh yeah, let's go ahead and make it in serious doubt whether or not one of our marquee PPV matches is actually going to happen under 24 hours before the show, and even waste money on refunding fans at an autograph signing and buying a plane ticket to really put it over, all to put over an angle that based on the current information available can't actually be seen all the way through for another two years anyway. I'm still convinced it's a work, just because that's my default with this guy, but holy hell do you make a convincing argument. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:36:05 GMT -5
Not if it blackballs him from AEW/NJPW/Impact then WWE lowballs him cause he has nowhere else to go. Stuff like this is something WWE doesn't really tolerate either (see the convo a few pages back of Vince making sure people finish indie dates before starting). MJF is not going to get black balled, or low balled, by anyone. So skipping a meet and greet, the day before you are in a huge match years in the making on PPV which you are also possibly skipping, wont have far reaching consequences? WWE looking at this won't and say "nah, you are not worth that much"? That is very much in the realm of possibility as of right now. His entire position of negotiation is slipping real quick if he is acting like this. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 28, 2022 21:36:16 GMT -5
I don't think the meet-and-greet stuff is all that damaging, though it doesn't make him look good. It's an easy recover for him. Skipping out on tomorrow though...yikes. Even the threat of it. Like I'm not buying this PPV because I just can't buy $50 PPVs in my life, but if I were planning to, this type of thing would make me less likely to pull the trigger, not more. The meet and greet, yes, was one thing Skipping out of town and fizzling out the Wardlow Match, which had some of the best build in the last decade for a match imo, would not just make him look bad to the fans, but like, as people said, how do you think that makes Wardlow feel? |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 28, 2022 21:36:24 GMT -5
He also severely risks his negotiating position. Not just from a pay standpoint, but potentially getting that "Cody deal" that gives him a lot of creative leeway. Instead it's a lot more likely that he would just get repackaged by the WWE creative machine into someone who if he pulls this with them, is expendable. If this is really about money, he looks like a real idiot because now he's just a glorified midcarder. Especially if they were going to push him to the main event/championship picture and the pay raise and future free agent bargaining position that comes with it. Everything is relative. Will they pay him less than they might have 2 years from now? Almost certainly. Will they offer him less than he’s making right now? Not knowing what he’s making but knowing it’s a ‘rookie contract’ offered to a guy straight out of MLW for a then-startup enterprise with no competing offers, almost certainly he’d be making more from WWE day one if he was released right now. Yep to the both of these posts.
This whole thing's weird. Do we even know when his contract's expiring? It it soon or what?
Word is 18 months to two years from now, came up earlier in the thread. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 28, 2022 21:36:50 GMT -5
He also severely risks his negotiating position. Not just from a pay standpoint, but potentially getting that "Cody deal" that gives him a lot of creative leeway. Instead it's a lot more likely that he would just get repackaged by the WWE creative machine into someone who if he pulls this with them, is expendable. If this is really about money, he looks like a real idiot because now he's just a glorified midcarder. Especially if they were going to push him to the main event/championship picture and the pay raise and future free agent bargaining position that comes with it. Everything is relative. Will they pay him less than they might have 2 years from now? Almost certainly. Will they offer him less than he’s making right now? Not knowing what he’s making but knowing it’s a ‘rookie contract’ offered to a guy straight out of MLW for a then-startup enterprise with no competing offers, almost certainly he’d be making more from WWE day one if he was released right now. Yep to the both of these posts.
This whole thing's weird. Do we even know when his contract's expiring? It it soon or what?
18 months It's why he's been trying to get 2024 over. |
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Post by khali on May 28, 2022 21:36:53 GMT -5
Not to mention, Tony Khan didn’t exercise Cody’s option and let him leave. He’s under no obligation to let MJF leave if he’s pissed about this. MJF could be killing his big negotiating power and sitting around cold until the contract is up.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 28, 2022 21:37:34 GMT -5
Not if it blackballs him from AEW/NJPW/Impact then WWE lowballs him cause he has nowhere else to go. Stuff like this is something WWE doesn't really tolerate either (see the convo a few pages back of Vince making sure people finish indie dates before starting). MJF is not going to get black balled, or low balled, by anyone. Yes because I would definitely empty out my checkbooks to hire a guy who cannot be relied upon to show up for his contracted dates, especially the date where the biggest story we've built with him is about to pay off. I'd go bankrupt for that man. |
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Post by The Captain on May 28, 2022 21:38:09 GMT -5
He also severely risks his negotiating position. Not just from a pay standpoint, but potentially getting that "Cody deal" that gives him a lot of creative leeway. Instead it's a lot more likely that he would just get repackaged by the WWE creative machine into someone who if he pulls this with them, is expendable. If this is really about money, he looks like a real idiot because now he's just a glorified midcarder. Especially if they were going to push him to the main event/championship picture and the pay raise and future free agent bargaining position that comes with it. Everything is relative. Will they pay him less than they might have 2 years from now? Almost certainly. Will they offer him less than he’s making right now? Not knowing what he’s making but knowing it’s a ‘rookie contract’ offered to a guy straight out of MLW for a then-startup enterprise with no competing offers, almost certainly he’d be making more from WWE day one if he was released right now. Yep to the both of these posts.
This whole thing's weird. Do we even know when his contract's expiring? It it soon or what?
His contract is apparently up in 2024. But AEW was supposedly open to extending it and giving him top talent pay. Obviously not confirmed but it just makes things even weirder. |
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Post by flowercity on May 28, 2022 21:38:09 GMT -5
If this is a work - which I think there is very little chance of - it's absolutely f***ing moronic. Oh yeah, let's go ahead and make it in serious doubt whether or not one of our marquee PPV matches is actually going to happen under 24 hours before the show, and even waste money on refunding fans at an autograph signing and buying a plane ticket to really put it over, all to put over an angle that based on the current information available can't actually be seen all the way through for another two years anyway. I think it’s possible only one party here is working. |
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Post by xCompackx on May 28, 2022 21:38:43 GMT -5
Thing too and it might've been said before, but no-showing is a pretty big deal to Vince. Like, look at how he reacted to Sasha and Naomi walking out (they were completely justified doing so, but Vince gonna Vince); he's not gonna just offer a contract to a guy who walked out of his previous employer.
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Post by asuka007 on May 28, 2022 21:38:56 GMT -5
Vince once publicly fired and buried Jeff Jarrett on air when Jarrett held him up for money (and that was money that Jarrett was technically owed to begin with). He suspended the Ultimate Warrior for similar.
Vince might still bring him in. But MJF very well not get as big a deal as he could have otherwise.
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Post by raymondo316 on May 28, 2022 21:39:18 GMT -5
He also severely risks his negotiating position. Not just from a pay standpoint, but potentially getting that "Cody deal" that gives him a lot of creative leeway. Instead it's a lot more likely that he would just get repackaged by the WWE creative machine into someone who if he pulls this with them, is expendable. If this is really about money, he looks like a real idiot because now he's just a glorified midcarder. Especially if they were going to push him to the main event/championship picture and the pay raise and future free agent bargaining position that comes with it. Everything is relative. Will they pay him less than they might have 2 years from now? Almost certainly. Will they offer him less than he’s making right now? Not knowing what he’s making but knowing it’s a ‘rookie contract’ offered to a guy straight out of MLW for a then-startup enterprise with no competing offers, almost certainly he’d be making more from WWE day one if he was released right now. Yep to the both of these posts.
This whole thing's weird. Do we even know when his contract's expiring? It it soon or what?
Anything from 18 months to 2 years |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 28, 2022 21:40:02 GMT -5
Not if it blackballs him from AEW/NJPW/Impact then WWE lowballs him cause he has nowhere else to go. Stuff like this is something WWE doesn't really tolerate either (see the convo a few pages back of Vince making sure people finish indie dates before starting). MJF is not going to get black balled, or low balled, by anyone. If he insists on never being on the level with anybody, just to keep up kayfabe, he will. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 28, 2022 21:41:06 GMT -5
If this is a work - which I think there is very little chance of - it's absolutely f***ing moronic. Oh yeah, let's go ahead and make it in serious doubt whether or not one of our marquee PPV matches is actually going to happen under 24 hours before the show, and even waste money on refunding fans at an autograph signing and buying a plane ticket to really put it over, all to put over an angle that based on the current information available can't actually be seen all the way through for another two years anyway. I'm still convinced it's a work, just because that's my default with this guy, but holy hell do you make a convincing argument. There are so many times when looking at shit in wrestling that you can think "Is this a work?" and go "It can't possibly be a work because it just makes everybody involved look like an idiot and discourages you from spending money on the promotion ever again" and then you remember that that doesn't actually mean anything because wrestling is totally filled with people genuinely stupid enough to do all that for the buzz of getting a few folks on the internet to think what's happening is real and not scripted. |
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