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Post by Celexa Bliss on May 28, 2022 21:41:12 GMT -5
If this is a work - which I think there is very little chance of - it's absolutely f***ing moronic. Oh yeah, let's go ahead and make it in serious doubt whether or not one of our marquee PPV matches is actually going to happen under 24 hours before the show, and even waste money on refunding fans at an autograph signing and buying a plane ticket to really put it over, all to put over an angle that based on the current information available can't actually be seen all the way through for another two years anyway. I think it’s possible only one party here is working. My belief is that MJF is totally working/trolling here and MAYBE told TK, "hey, I'm doing this, help me sell it, boss". That second part seems unlikely, but this whole situation is surreal enough that I'll believe anything. That said, if he does indeed get on that plane and proceed to no-show Double or Nothing, then f*** that guy for f***ing over Wardlow. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:41:39 GMT -5
You know, MJF not doing it may be him just being "in character", but fans legit paid an assload of money to see him and took the time and effort to go out of their way just to see him, so it does a great disservice to them in PR. This is definitely a great way to tank the value of yourself just for kayfabe.
And as for Joe... I don't know what Joe's problem was. Right now, I know he's at the end of his career, and it's not like there are many other options for him.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 28, 2022 21:41:43 GMT -5
All billionaires are bad except Tony Khan and its fine to be unprofessional unless you are MJF. There's a difference between walking out before a weekly show whose matches change on the fly anyways and potentially leaving before the biggest match of your opponent's career that'll make him. I don't care how you feel about your contract or issues with your boss, that's bs to me. |
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Post by xCompackx on May 28, 2022 21:42:54 GMT -5
I mean, I could see ways it could be a work or made to be one. MJF being out of options to avoid Wardlow so he's just ghosting everyone the day before the match. And I mean, as a way to drive up PPV buys, I could kinda see it. But I dunno.
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Post by Mecca on May 28, 2022 21:43:08 GMT -5
Yep to the both of these posts.
This whole thing's weird. Do we even know when his contract's expiring? It it soon or what?
His contract is apparently up in 2024. But AEW was supposedly open to extending it and giving him top talent pay. Obviously not confirmed but it just makes things even weirder. The whole thing makes MJF sound like he's stupid. I want more money! Ok let's get a new deal done....no f*** you! It's like he's a toddler that wants to be mad. |
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Post by The Captain on May 28, 2022 21:43:25 GMT -5
MJF is a really young guy and jumped pretty quickly from the indies and MLW to being a key player in a large promotion.
This is 100%, speculation but that sorta super quick rise can get to your ego. He wouldn't be the first young athlete or actor that happened to.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 28, 2022 21:44:52 GMT -5
I’m just wondering if this is a contract situation or him not wanting to job to Wardlow situation. Or all the above. Either way, he looks like a complete chode.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:45:01 GMT -5
Anyone who's thinking it won't impact his marketability to the WWE, just keep in mind that Vince, by those who love him and hate him, is an absolute stickler for making your dates. Vince is also a terrible human being, but say what you will otherwise, you honor your dates before you come to work for him.
On top of that, the WWE does not NEED MJF. The WWE does not NEED anyone. For better or worse, the WWE has made sure that no one talent can make or break them ever again by making the brand the star of the show. I think it makes for pretty putrid TV, but they're doing fine financially, let's not pretend otherwise. They will not roll out the red carpet, bend over backwards, or kiss his ass. They do not have to.
One thing that I have heard is that MJF has bad anxiety, and I wonder if that hasn't caught up to him.
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Post by The Ichi on May 28, 2022 21:45:15 GMT -5
I’m going to say this is a work and until he actually no shows the PPV nobody will convince me otherwise….brother. I'll still believe this is a work until he doesn't wrestle Wardlow tomorrow. And even then I'll be 50/50 on it, though regardless at that point even if it was a work it would be the worst work I've ever seen.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:45:37 GMT -5
I still do not see how punishing fans who already paid to be there benefits AEW...You work the television and live audience during the show not on a bait and switch like this...AEW may want to break the mold on using social media etc to their advantage but this stuff just breeds animosity if intentional
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Post by markymark on May 28, 2022 21:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by asuka007 on May 28, 2022 21:46:08 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez just tweeted that the Samoa Joe thing seems to have just been a communication issue. Not a proper no show.
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Post by Mecca on May 28, 2022 21:46:09 GMT -5
I’m just wondering if this is a contract situation or him not wanting to job to Wardlow situation. Or all the above. Either way, he looks like a complete chode. If he really didn't wanna job to Wardlow would you have to send him to booking 101 class cause MJF winning that match makes zero sense. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 28, 2022 21:46:33 GMT -5
Communication issue makes sense, seems really out of character for Joe. Just a weird coincidence it's tied up in MJF nuking his career. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:47:00 GMT -5
I do kind of feel like this MJF situation is sort of reaching a point where they probably should just sit down with him and go, "Look, tell us if you want to leave and we'll have you do a putting people over tour then we'll let you go," because he seems pretty openly miserable now and if there are two years left it's going to get a lot worse well before it gets better. And while he is definitely a draw for AEW I'm not convinced they actually need him. I think MJF needs AEW more than AEW needs MJF. The problem with MJF's feuds is that they all boil down to the same beats (constantly browbeats opponent in heavily scripted promos but is a complete wuss, forces opponent to go through a massive checklist just to fight him, match is serviceable but not spectacular, rinse and repeat), and while WWE would benefit from him in the short term, it would not be long before WWE's quirks would spring up and force him to wrestle weekly or demand that concessions be made on promo delivery, undermining his character and making him just another guy. Meanwhile, MJF's time could be used on other acts that are coming up or to build up, say, the tag team or women's divisions on Dynamite, which is valuable real estate. If MJF is going to be like this about leaving, then the smart move would be just to let him leave. A miserable employee is going to sink morale in your locker room, especially one that you literally framed as one of "the Four Pillars". |
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Post by The Captain on May 28, 2022 21:47:10 GMT -5
Anyone who's thinking it won't impact his marketability to the WWE, just keep in mind that Vince, by those who love him and hate him, is an absolute stickler for making your dates. Vince is also a terrible human being, but say what you will otherwise, you honor your dates before you come to work for him. On top of that, the WWE does not NEED MJF. The WWE does not NEED anyone. For better or worse, the WWE has made sure that no one talent can make or break them ever again by making the brand the star of the show. I think it makes for pretty putrid TV, but they're doing fine financially, let's not pretend otherwise. They will not roll out the red carpet, bend over backwards, or kiss his ass. They do not have to. One thing that I have heard is that MJF has bad anxiety, and I wonder if that hasn't caught up to him. I forgot about his anxiety issues. If it involves that it paints him in a more sympathetic light. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 28, 2022 21:47:46 GMT -5
Ok good I didn't think Joe would have any issue... they've treated him like such a big deal out the gate it'd be so odd Glad to hear one of these was just a miscommunication... |
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Post by Mike Strike on May 28, 2022 21:47:55 GMT -5
Talk about MJF's been swirling around for a while, but Joe is a surprise; he's way too new a signing for it to be about contract disputes, unless he's gotten cold feet very quickly or there was some miscommunication about how he'd be used relative to the two different Khan-owned promotions initially. Or catering sucks and Joe got too hungry and ate MJF and is out with indigestion now. They made a big mistake bringing Joe to Vegas. There are some righteous buffets in those casinos. He samples a couple of those and realizes how AEW catering compares and you’re just asking for problems. Buffets are all still closed fyi. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:48:35 GMT -5
That's what I figured for Joe, makes sense. Whoever told Joe he wasn't supposed to be there though needs to be get talked to. Come on now bruh lol. But it's good Joe's ok. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 21:48:38 GMT -5
Communication issue makes sense, seems really out of character for Joe. Just a weird coincidence it's tied up in MJF nuking his career. How I'm now envisioning this. Joe: Am I needed? Convention Organizers: No. Joe: Okay. *Later, as the sheets are reporting on this* Joe: Wait, the f*** did I do wrong? |
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