kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jul 28, 2022 13:02:43 GMT -5
I'm on team, "Hayter should run over Britt like Hobbs/Starks". That will bring some much needed spark in the division.
And yeah, Thunderstorm should win.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jul 28, 2022 13:13:37 GMT -5
I said in the live thread last night there seemed to be a lot of “start move…execute move” against Miyu. It didn’t take away too much, but either Rosa, Miyu or both seemed to be a step off each other. As for Rosa’s reign, I think she’s just missing an actual feud. She seemed to work better when things seemed “personal” like it was against Britt. 100% agree. This is where you could use a person like Abadon, Build her up again and you can even get into Rosa's day of the dead vibe because Abadon is "The living dead girl".
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Post by Dub H on Jul 28, 2022 13:52:13 GMT -5
I feel like more and more it shows how AEW benefited from Kenny there to lay out the matches.There seems to be a very obvious quality drop off when he is not around.
I think Rosa has shined in carrying herself as a champ at very least,she has that air and attitude to her.
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Post by noobeast on Jul 28, 2022 13:58:01 GMT -5
I said in the live thread last night there seemed to be a lot of “start move…execute move” against Miyu. It didn’t take away too much, but either Rosa, Miyu or both seemed to be a step off each other. As for Rosa’s reign, I think she’s just missing an actual feud. She seemed to work better when things seemed “personal” like it was against Britt. My honest take is that nobody REALLY gave a shit about Rosa, they just wanted to somebody to beat Baker. Rosa simply benefitted from being a likable enough wrestler who was on the other side of the ring from someone the fans absolutely despised. The fact that she managed to have a couple good matches against much stronger opponents was enough to push people to think she was way better than she is. The second she got the title and away from the much better Baker, she's been exposed as being a bore who isn't good enough to create good matches on her own.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 28, 2022 14:11:06 GMT -5
Also this is an aside and very much getting into 'ugh, Britt' territory, but. The sandbag thing would be a lame attempt at being cute if not for the fact Britt liking those tweets was what started that shitstorm in the first place. I really need Thunder Storm to run into drama and split so she can have an actual story with meat against someone who isn't Britt. Everything Rosa's doing of any real, actual merit is just through the lens of that one match from forever ago and she feels stagnant. Britt somehow has become even more awful now. Now she’s veering into Russo territory with this sandbag BS. Also it’s a testament to how awful AEW has built the division that they’re already putting her back against Rosa and Toni.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 14:20:59 GMT -5
My honest take is that nobody REALLY gave a shit about Rosa, they just wanted to somebody to beat Baker. Rosa simply benefitted from being a likable enough wrestler who was on the other side of the ring from someone the fans absolutely despised. The fact that she managed to have a couple good matches against much stronger opponents was enough to push people to think she was way better than she is. The second she got the title and away from the much better Baker, she's been exposed as being a bore who isn't good enough to create good matches on her own. I mean you can believe this if you want but it's pretty much completely detached from reality. If I may quote myself: My dude, you're absolutely allowed to dislike certain matches or certain wrestlers but please, please, please refrain from this "the emperor has no clothes" bullshit when it comes to subjective opinion.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 28, 2022 14:28:07 GMT -5
My honest take is that nobody REALLY gave a shit about Rosa, they just wanted to somebody to beat Baker. Rosa simply benefitted from being a likable enough wrestler who was on the other side of the ring from someone the fans absolutely despised. The fact that she managed to have a couple good matches against much stronger opponents was enough to push people to think she was way better than she is. The second she got the title and away from the much better Baker, she's been exposed as being a bore who isn't good enough to create good matches on her own. Protip: if your position is that other people's opinions are not really their opinions...you're wrong.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 28, 2022 14:46:05 GMT -5
Damn that was disapointing. They held back in their last match but never found the gear they saving. My unqualified opinion is Miyu is used to leading matches but understandably deferred to Rosa which led to some awkward moments, especially Rosa inexpicably deciding to sit-up just as she was about to hit the spinny kick thing and Miyu thinking she was about to do something that never came. It's like somebody randomly deciding to sit up just as Jericho is about to hit the ropes for the lionsault, there's no good way out of it, just a bizarre thing for an experienced wrestler to do.
Think both those mistakes and nerves got to Miyu, least composed I've ever seen her and she didn't even do her pose on the ropes.
Thankfully they eventually salvaged it but could have been much more.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 28, 2022 14:55:27 GMT -5
I do wonder if we'd even be talking about this match in such detail if not for the "only one women's match a show" thing. For me, it always feels like it directs my attention to that single match in a way that I just don't for any other match on the card. Not that I would think the match was better for lacking the effect, but I wouldn't care enough to think about it and engage in a discussion about it.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 28, 2022 15:44:44 GMT -5
I do wonder if we'd even be talking about this match in such detail if not for the "only one women's match a show" thing. For me, it always feels like it directs my attention to that single match in a way that I just don't for any other match on the card. Not that I would think the match was better for lacking the effect, but I wouldn't care enough to think about it and engage in a discussion about it. The Wrestletalk people bring that very idea up constantly in their reviews. You only get one match on the show, and if it is not great, it makes the division overall come across as worse than it arguably is. If you have a couple, you have some that are good, and some maybe kind of meh, then it gives you a better picture. That’s basically what happens with the men already.
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Post by noobeast on Jul 28, 2022 15:58:55 GMT -5
My honest take is that nobody REALLY gave a shit about Rosa, they just wanted to somebody to beat Baker. Rosa simply benefitted from being a likable enough wrestler who was on the other side of the ring from someone the fans absolutely despised. The fact that she managed to have a couple good matches against much stronger opponents was enough to push people to think she was way better than she is. The second she got the title and away from the much better Baker, she's been exposed as being a bore who isn't good enough to create good matches on her own. Protip: if your position is that other people's opinions are not really their opinions...you're wrong. That's really not what I was implying, though. I was saying that while people formed an opinion of her during that time, that opinion has now changed under different circumstances. She SEEMED a lot better because she was the alternative to something people weren't enjoying. But now that she doesn't have that to lean on, she's being seen differently. So, it wasn't really Rosa they were crazy about so much as they were crazy about getting something new. Rosa got the benefit of being in the right place at the right time. It happens a lot. And protip: Maybe make sure you understand what's being said before being so condescending.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 16:10:54 GMT -5
That's really not what I was implying, though. My honest take is that nobody REALLY gave a shit about Rosa, they just wanted to somebody to beat Baker. Rosa simply benefitted from being a likable enough wrestler who was on the other side of the ring from someone the fans absolutely despised. Yes, how could anybody possibly think you were implying their enjoyment of Rosa was somehow objectively incorrect. Protip: the onus isn't on us to automatically understand your baffling, Reddit-tier hot takes.
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Post by noobeast on Jul 28, 2022 17:09:53 GMT -5
That's really not what I was implying, though. My honest take is that nobody REALLY gave a shit about Rosa, they just wanted to somebody to beat Baker. Rosa simply benefitted from being a likable enough wrestler who was on the other side of the ring from someone the fans absolutely despised. Yes, how could anybody possibly think you were implying their enjoyment of Rosa was somehow objectively incorrect. Protip: the onus isn't on us to automatically understand your baffling, Reddit-tier hot takes. Seems pretty clear to me what I was saying, especially since I explained it in that same post, but of course you cut the explanation out. Stop ignoring the parts you don't like, and comprehension becomes a lot easier.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 28, 2022 17:13:02 GMT -5
I genuinely don't understand why Statlander isn't more heavily featured. Every time Tony gets a shiny new toy she moves further down the ladder.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 17:28:15 GMT -5
Seems pretty clear to me what I was saying, especially since I explained it in that same post, but of course you cut the explanation out. Stop ignoring the parts you don't like, and comprehension becomes a lot easier. If it was just me it would be one thing, but you confused me, Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby, and presumably those who liked our posts. It's quite clearly you not communicating your point clearly, and then doubling down when called out on it. Having said that, this is ungodly tedious and you've proven you're really not worth engaging with at all, so bye.
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Post by noobeast on Jul 28, 2022 17:49:12 GMT -5
Seems pretty clear to me what I was saying, especially since I explained it in that same post, but of course you cut the explanation out. Stop ignoring the parts you don't like, and comprehension becomes a lot easier. If it was just me it would be one thing, but you confused me, Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby, and presumably those who liked our posts. It's quite clearly you not communicating your point clearly, and then doubling down when called out on it. Having said that, this is ungodly tedious and you've proven you're really not worth engaging with at all, so bye. Lol
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Post by Cyno on Jul 28, 2022 17:49:24 GMT -5
I've liked Rosa since she was NWA women's champ. But I guess I was just lying to myself.
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Post by noobeast on Jul 28, 2022 17:52:03 GMT -5
I've liked Rosa since she was NWA women's champ. But I guess I was just lying to myself. Or maybe I wasn't talking about you. The inability of a lot of people here to handle an opinion they don't completely agree with is really sad.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 28, 2022 18:03:56 GMT -5
knock off the sniping at each other or face a few weeks away from here.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 28, 2022 18:28:20 GMT -5
Rosa was one of my favourite talents in the company a few months ago and now I barely pay attention to her matches and I do not think that is on Rosa
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