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Post by Blade on Jun 3, 2022 17:08:44 GMT -5
It can be both true that Rosa could be used better, and that people here have a tendency to not credit AEW for what they do do better. Such as, for instance, the continued harping on her first promo getting interrupted, which happens to pretty much every champion and for which AEW made an immediate about face and let her get a good uninterrupted promo (and she's had more promo time since, including another good interrupted lengthy promo leading into the PPV).
Anybody that compares her to Shida either has a bad memory or isn't being honest with themselves. Rosa has appeared nearly every week since she's won the belt and has had actual feuds for it at every big show. Shida very notoriously did neither. They are night and day.
For that matter, for all I'm still very irritated at Britt winning the Owen, she has NOT been unduly featured since winning the title. She had one week in her hometown where she was treated like a huge deal - because she is in Pittsburgh - and since then has not been anywhere close to the stranglehold on the division's screentime that she had last year, and in fact has had pretty much the same amount of focus as multiple other people.
Again, none of that is to say complaints aren't valid (for one, I agree the TBS title and Jade are booked right now as more important than the world title and Rosa). But people are still repeatedly saying things that are flat-out incorrect. And making a huge deal out of her not showing up when she was booked for a segment but was too ill to do it is making a mountain out of a molehill. If she starts a hot new program next week, this week will not matter. That's a big if, but her absence this week is for reasons unrelated to how AEW is using her overall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2022 23:13:20 GMT -5
I don't really see what she would've done on Dynamite even if she had been feeling well. There aren't really any good challengers for her right now. The best I can think of would be maybe a filler speedbump feud with Abadon. Maybe Tay Conti? Abadon is in a weird spot where they keep having her win on Dark, but they're too afraid of putting her on TV, and we haven't seen Tay Conti in a meaningful in-ring role in forever. I'd suggest Diamante, but that would require putting Diamante on TV.
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 3, 2022 23:48:50 GMT -5
Here’s the thing. They could have had someone come out to challenge her. Or highlighted her vs. Deeb at the PPV.
The fact that they did NOTHING, is not a good look.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 4, 2022 0:24:19 GMT -5
Here’s the thing. They could have had someone come out to challenge her. Or highlighted her vs. Deeb at the PPV. The fact that they did NOTHING, is not a good look. I'm giving them a pass here, and look I know I give the women's division a lot of passes, but how many people on here had "Punk had to deliver a speech about being injured" on the bingo card tonight? I'm sure they'll set something up next week, because I have to assume Khan and the booking in general has all had to take some major re-writes I'm just glad Rosa's only sick and not worse.
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 4, 2022 0:28:12 GMT -5
Punk did not have his speech on Dynamite.
You already had time allocated to Rosa anyway. So if she cannot be there, at lest use that time to so SOMETHING related to her.
They’ve wasted whatever momentum she had after DON this week.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 4, 2022 0:45:51 GMT -5
Punk did not have his speech on Dynamite. You already had time allocated to Rosa anyway. So if she cannot be there, at lest use that time to so SOMETHING related to her. They’ve wasted whatever momentum she had after DON this week. Rosa was gonna have a segment until she was sick Her momentum isn't wasted, the week was hectic and they'll get to her next week. If a champion can't survive one week off due to medical reasons then that's a problem imo. Hopefully they set something up for her then, clearly seemed like they were gonna on Dynamite until she was too sick to do it.
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Post by clifford on Jun 4, 2022 8:46:48 GMT -5
I am perplexed that there wasn't even a 30 second recap video of the DoN match on either Dynamite or Rampage. Not even mentioning your world champ is strange.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 4, 2022 14:11:59 GMT -5
I am perplexed that there wasn't even a 30 second recap video of the DoN match on either Dynamite or Rampage. Not even mentioning your world champ is strange. It’s a stretch to even call it a world title at this point. It’s never main evented a PPV. It’s never been defended outside the US. Almost every champion has felt unimportant. Raw has had more women’s main events in the past month that Dynamite has had in 3 years. I mean Shida literally spent half the pandemic sitting in the crowd like a fan. Did they have Moxley or Omega do that when they were champion? Of course not, it would be beneath a world champion to do that. Just like a men's world title match on a PPV would never be completely ignored the next week on TV. Even if Punk/Hangman were unable to appear for whatever reason, you know the announcers would absolutely recap it or show a video package at the very least. They wouldn't completely ghost it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 4, 2022 15:59:27 GMT -5
I am perplexed that there wasn't even a 30 second recap video of the DoN match on either Dynamite or Rampage. Not even mentioning your world champ is strange. It’s a stretch to even call it a world title at this point. It’s never main evented a PPV. It’s never been defended outside the US. Almost every champion has felt unimportant. Raw has had more women’s main events in the past month that Dynamite has had in 3 years. While I would agree they should have fit a recap in here, this again, is the type of shit that makes talking about the women's division on this board next to impossible, this is insane hyperbole. The women's division has had multiple TV main events in the last few weeks alone, the women's title has had speedbumps to it but it is always been considered an important title and has been treated like one. It's also never been defended outside of the US because a pandemic will yknow, stop that from happening. Was the AEW Title defended outside of the US a lot? I don't think it has been, so that's a weird thing to be upset about. Is it perfect? No. Is it a world title? Yes, it is, it just needs to be focused on more, it sucks Rosa's had some bad luck with it between injuries and getting sick, but leapfrogging right to "The title is essentially useless and oh also the women's division sucks" AGAIN is so tiring.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 4, 2022 16:13:26 GMT -5
Honestly I think AEW's pretty poor in general at treating their titles like big deals. As much as they promoted, "Every title can main event, this is a place where women and tag teams are equal to the men's single stars," in the leadup to the company launching and as much as they pushed the idea that the TNT and TBS belts aren't midcard belts, you absolutely never see the women's or tag titles main-eventing PPVs or being treated like crown jewel, face of the company belts like the men's World title is, and the TNT title has spent most of its existence being just kind of an aimless clusterf*** while the TBS title basically only exists as a Jade Cargill vanity belt to make her shitty squash matches look mildly important.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 4, 2022 16:37:26 GMT -5
while the TBS title basically only exists as a Jade Cargill vanity belt to make her shitty squash matches look mildly important. Jade's TBS Title defenses have been pretty even and most of them have been really good to fun matches, so I don't really get this take at all. Everyone thought her reign would flop and suddenly the belt is "A vanity project for her shitty squash matches", I simply don't agree there, she has a title and a winning streak and can and will lose to someone and it will be a big deal.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Jun 7, 2022 13:40:09 GMT -5
I think the big thing isn’t time, as that’s been debunked more than once in this thread. But moreso it feels like it’s still the Britt Baker Show. With her as champion for like ten months, then the booking leading to her winning the Owen, I think people have been overwhelmed with Britt content that they may forget Thunder Rosa. I genuinely forgot she fought Nyla for the belt, and that’s pretty bad given that it’s her first defense.
I don’t place blame on Britt, or on Jade (though I’m very over her winning streak and title reign, don’t give it to Athena immediately). Plenty of fans wanted a Toni/Statlander final, or for Ruby to get it after coming close plenty of times before, so I don’t blame them. Ultimately it comes down to Tony, and he needs to change it up and start genuinely pushing other women before the backlash gets too strong and it becomes a problem. They do have talent and continue to get talent, but if it’s squandered or ignored then that talent means nothing in the long run.
As for Rosa? I wish she got a better build with Serena but I understand the focus was mostly on the Owen Tournament. With that done, I’m hopeful that Rosa can get proper shine and opponents instead of pushed aside and given minor feuds compared to Jade and Britt. And I hate that I keep coming back to those two, but looking at it objectively it’s apparent who the stars are, and oddly enough Rosa doesn’t feel like one even with the work she’s put it. It’s strange.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jun 7, 2022 14:29:53 GMT -5
Doesn't she do a lot of charity/community outreach stuff?
They should send a camera crew to film that like the WWE would do back when John Cena was doing all those Make-a-Wish visits and then air short videos of that to make her look like even more of a babyface
I'm curious to see who her next challenger will be
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Post by champchumpchange on Jun 7, 2022 14:55:56 GMT -5
Doesn't she do a lot of charity/community outreach stuff? They should send a camera crew to film that like the WWE would do back when John Cena was doing all those Make-a-Wish visits and then air short videos of that to make her look like even more of a babyface I'm curious to see who her next challenger will be Believe it or not, Nyla Rose is ranked no 1 hahahahaha
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 7, 2022 15:27:42 GMT -5
I think what gets me about Rosa and the women's title in general, is that whenever there is any improvement in the women's division or anything exciting happening (and there is both), it's never around the world title.
Athena is exciting and she's put near Jade and the TBS title. The Owen cup was exciting and that was (rightly) nowhere near the title. Statlander gets a new character and gets over with the crowd, but she's not seemingly leveraging it into a run at the title. I'm not saying that Athena should be instantly challenging for the belt or that Rosa should have been in the tournament, they're just examples of how the world title never seems to be the focal point.
Things happen, but the world title remains in a bubble. The last time someone made winning the world title their goal and made the chase exciting was when Britt made a point of beating whoever she could in order to go up the ranks. As world champ, Rosa should have the biggest target on her back but the women's division is never booked with a focus on that target.
To a lesser extent, the men's title is the same. I never had the sense that people were gunning for Hangman, either.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 7, 2022 15:37:40 GMT -5
Doesn't she do a lot of charity/community outreach stuff? They should send a camera crew to film that like the WWE would do back when John Cena was doing all those Make-a-Wish visits and then air short videos of that to make her look like even more of a babyface I'm curious to see who her next challenger will be Believe it or not, Nyla Rose is ranked no 1 hahahahaha That doesn't always mean an automatic title shot either, there have been plenty of rank 1's that don't get a shot and then they slide down. Nyla could easily be used as a buffer for someone to beat her and shoot up the ranks.
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Post by schizo on Jun 7, 2022 15:57:50 GMT -5
The way the Raw/SmackDown Woman’s Champ are treated compare the AEW Womans Champ is like night and day. The woman’s champs in WWE are presented as big deals while Rosa feels like a low card Champion. Absolutely completely baffling, Rosa is a great talent but imo the way she’s been showcased sence she won the title has been really disappointing?
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Post by J is Justice on Jun 7, 2022 16:12:11 GMT -5
Doesn't she do a lot of charity/community outreach stuff? They should send a camera crew to film that like the WWE would do back when John Cena was doing all those Make-a-Wish visits and then air short videos of that to make her look like even more of a babyface I'm curious to see who her next challenger will be Believe it or not, Nyla Rose is ranked no 1 hahahahaha
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 7, 2022 16:29:14 GMT -5
The way the Raw/SmackDown Woman’s Champ are treated compare the AEW Womans Champ is like night and day. The woman’s champs in WWE are presented as big deals while Rosa feels like a low card Champion. Absolutely completely baffling, Rosa is a great talent but imo the way she’s been showcased sence she won the title has been really disappointing? Again, she was injured and this week she was sick I want her featured more as well, but both of her world title matches have been extremely good, and they gave her a lot more screentime with Deeb including big promos in main event slots of the shows. Hoping her next title feud can keep momentum
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 16:55:01 GMT -5
The way the Raw/SmackDown Woman’s Champ are treated compare the AEW Womans Champ is like night and day. The woman’s champs in WWE are presented as big deals while Rosa feels like a low card Champion. Absolutely completely baffling, Rosa is a great talent but imo the way she’s been showcased sence she won the title has been really disappointing? I agree as well to a certain extent but I think some of it has to do with the way AEW is booked by toploading the attention-grabbing segments then going a mile a minute to fill in the rest. They have done a better job recently that is for sure and I look for the women to close more shows out going forward as honestly it's the best way for them to get them in correctly. I know we consume wrestling differently than we did 30 years ago but I still think there's merit in going on last and hopefully they get more of it.
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