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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 7, 2022 9:25:27 GMT -5
I see this as an obvious bid towards eventually selling the company but I still have no idea who'd actually be willing to take on WWE's massive operating costs. And no, it won't be Disney before anyone suggests that one.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2022 9:29:15 GMT -5
I see this as an obvious bid towards eventually selling the company but I still have no idea who'd actually be willing to take on WWE's massive operating costs. And no, it won't be Disney before anyone suggests that one. If anyone, likely NBC Universal since they’re paying a lot for it already but even then, I don’t see it being that beneficial to them besides a content farm which, like, they have a lot of IP they can do that stuff with without taking on operating costs, as you said. FOX basically sold their ability to host a streaming service with getting rid of all the movie and TV content to Disney so there’s really no reason for them to buy WWE.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jun 7, 2022 9:54:50 GMT -5
I see this as an obvious bid towards eventually selling the company but I still have no idea who'd actually be willing to take on WWE's massive operating costs. And no, it won't be Disney before anyone suggests that one. If anyone, likely NBC Universal since they’re paying a lot for it already but even then, I don’t see it being that beneficial to them besides a content farm which, like, they have a lot of IP they can do that stuff with without taking on operating costs, as you said. FOX basically sold their ability to host a streaming service with getting rid of all the movie and TV content to Disney so there’s really no reason for them to buy WWE. It remains to be seen if WWE would still operate in the same manner if it got bought out by NBC, or any other company for that matter. Would they still produce two weekly shows, along with NXT? How would the house show circuit be affected? Would they downscale at all, or would there be very little changes to the end product? I'd like to imagine they would scale things down a bit. Less PPVs, shorter weekly shows, more focus on long term booking that makes sense.. but I have a feeling it would stay about the same, unfortunately.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 7, 2022 10:04:54 GMT -5
If anyone, likely NBC Universal since they’re paying a lot for it already but even then, I don’t see it being that beneficial to them besides a content farm which, like, they have a lot of IP they can do that stuff with without taking on operating costs, as you said. FOX basically sold their ability to host a streaming service with getting rid of all the movie and TV content to Disney so there’s really no reason for them to buy WWE. It remains to be seen if WWE would still operate in the same manner if it got bought out by NBC, or any other company for that matter. Would they still produce two weekly shows, along with NXT? How would the house show circuit be affected? Would they downscale at all, or would there be very little changes to the end product? I'd like to imagine they would scale things down a bit. Less PPVs, shorter weekly shows, more focus on long term booking that makes sense.. but I have a feeling it would stay about the same, unfortunately. NBC Universal is the one who demanded 3 hour Raw so I doubt they would shorten the weekly shows.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2022 10:15:43 GMT -5
It remains to be seen if WWE would still operate in the same manner if it got bought out by NBC, or any other company for that matter. Would they still produce two weekly shows, along with NXT? How would the house show circuit be affected? Would they downscale at all, or would there be very little changes to the end product? I'd like to imagine they would scale things down a bit. Less PPVs, shorter weekly shows, more focus on long term booking that makes sense.. but I have a feeling it would stay about the same, unfortunately. NBC Universal is the one who demanded 3 hour Raw so I doubt they would shorten the weekly shows. They also really wanted NXT and paid more than FOX to put it anywhere it wanted whilst there were firm plans to have it and Backstage on the same block on FS1.
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Post by fw91 on Jun 7, 2022 10:24:14 GMT -5
Say what you want about Stephanie, but this doesn’t sit well with me at all. I don’t like to see family’s collapse, even the Mcmahons
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 10:47:00 GMT -5
I see this as an obvious bid towards eventually selling the company but I still have no idea who'd actually be willing to take on WWE's massive operating costs. And no, it won't be Disney before anyone suggests that one. If anyone, likely NBC Universal since they’re paying a lot for it already but even then, I don’t see it being that beneficial to them besides a content farm which, like, they have a lot of IP they can do that stuff with without taking on operating costs, as you said. FOX basically sold their ability to host a streaming service with getting rid of all the movie and TV content to Disney so there’s really no reason for them to buy WWE. Unless DiscoveryWarner just really, really wanted to do something outlandish and insane and pull the same stunt TNN did with ECW, NBCU is the only media conglomerate that would have the reach and the desire to buy the WWE. Even then, that's a hell of a gamble in my opinion. The WWE themselves have learned that their tape library isn't the selling point one would think. All that being said, the WWE has done a great job of making the brand the start of the show, so there might be something worthwhile to purchase in that regard. I guess my overall question after that would be: Who the hell is going to book it? Wrestling is a weird, strange business, after all. Behind the scenes talent relation stuff probably could be filled with guys who have experience dealing with talent in sports, but the actual day to day booking/wrestling politics landscape would almost have to be handled by an insider. Since I think there's a greater chance of hell freezing over than Vince booking a company he's not the owner of, this is the only scenario where I see Triple H coming back into any kind of prominent role.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 10:51:39 GMT -5
I have always said and still stick to it that if this company lands the hands of anyone else outside of the McMahons it is getting shut down and the only things pilliged from it will be character I.Ps and the tape library to fill out a streaming service.
Which leads into what I have always believed is the end scenario here post Vince...Khanman is gonna run the day to day as the CEO and Stephanie will be the new chairman of the board.
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 7, 2022 10:53:36 GMT -5
The stock traded publicly on the NYSE carries no voting weight. The only voting stock is mostly in the hands of the McMahon and Levesque families. If Vince is thinking of a decision's impact on stock price, either he's looking to sell the company, or there's an issue with the company that's drawing unwanted attention. That's exactly my point though. You can't complain about nepotism but be upset that Vince runs the company like any other publicly traded company. The point _I'm_ making is that the McMahons have historically always done what was best in _their_ eyee. To see Vince part so dramatically from his children in terms of maintaining the business points to two scenarios - either to sell the company without any of the family baggage attached, or to protect Stephanie, Paul and Shane from inheriting an incoming PR or legal dumpster fire.
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Post by john84 on Jun 7, 2022 11:50:54 GMT -5
Vince MacMahon's life story is a Pulitzer Prize waiting to happen for somebody NGL I think it could make for one hell of a television series.
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Post by celtics543 on Jun 7, 2022 12:03:29 GMT -5
This is interesting because for all the world Vince seems like a loving father and grandfather but this move now means his entire family is out of the company. HHH was sent home a while ago, Steph just got sent home, and Shane was literally sent home from the Royal Rumble. Either he's trying to protect them in some way or he's made the decision that they don't deserve to take over the business.
The thing to remember is that Vince's dad didn't just give him the business. Vince had to buy him out. Maybe he wanted it to continue the same way but he realizes that neither of his kids can afford to buy him out and he's going to sell to the highest bidder. I genuinely think Vince is going to sell. He's old and if he can sell out for a huge price and leave it to his kids I think he'd be just fine with that. He's a businessman, he hasn't been a wrestling fan in a long long time.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 7, 2022 13:21:23 GMT -5
I have always said and still stick to it that if this company lands the hands of anyone else outside of the McMahons it is getting shut down and the only things pilliged from it will be character I.Ps and the tape library to fill out a streaming service. Which leads into what I have always believed is the end scenario here post Vince...Khanman is gonna run the day to day as the CEO and Stephanie will be the new chairman of the board. A network buying WWE will be the beginning of the end. They'll run it on the cheap ala Ring of Honor when Sinclair owned it for cheap content and the minute it sees a dip in profit it'll get axed. Same reason WCW went under.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 7, 2022 13:43:04 GMT -5
I have always said and still stick to it that if this company lands the hands of anyone else outside of the McMahons it is getting shut down and the only things pilliged from it will be character I.Ps and the tape library to fill out a streaming service. Which leads into what I have always believed is the end scenario here post Vince...Khanman is gonna run the day to day as the CEO and Stephanie will be the new chairman of the board. A network buying WWE will be the beginning of the end. They'll run it on the cheap ala Ring of Honor when Sinclair owned it for cheap content and the minute it sees a dip in profit it'll get axed. Same reason WCW went under. Vince, for all of his many thoughts, has his idea of what his show should look like. That's been a mixed bag, sure, but he won't compromise production quality because he knows it's important and he's known that since the '80s. All of the budget cuts we've seen have been in personnel; running a leaner roster, cutting office workers to ride the ones who stay on harder, downscaling expenses that are largely invisible for the viewer because Vince will not compromise on his show looking good. Nick Khan can cut all he wants from around it, but he knows not to f*** with the formula because it's the one thing Vince will never budge on. Put a television network in charge of it and a bunch of bean counters are going to start stripping down the show visually and inside a few years it'll look lifeless and bland instead of lifeless, bland, but shiny.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 7, 2022 13:46:29 GMT -5
A network buying WWE will be the beginning of the end. They'll run it on the cheap ala Ring of Honor when Sinclair owned it for cheap content and the minute it sees a dip in profit it'll get axed. Same reason WCW went under. Vince, for all of his many thoughts, has his idea of what his show should look like. That's been a mixed bag, sure, but he won't compromise production quality because he knows it's important and he's known that since the '80s. All of the budget cuts we've seen have been in personnel; running a leaner roster, cutting office workers to ride the ones who stay on harder, downscaling expenses that are largely invisible for the viewer because Vince will not compromise on his show looking good. Nick Khan can cut all he wants from around it, but he knows not to f*** with the formula because it's the one thing Vince will never budge on. Put a television network in charge of it and a bunch of bean counters are going to start stripping down the show visually and inside a few years it'll look lifeless and bland instead of lifeless, bland, but shiny. And it's like... WWE is ONLY profitable right now because of its various tv deals. NBC owning WWE means that money starts disappearing. Not like NBC can pay themselves 3 or 4 billion dollars or whatever. And even if they do make it work, are they going to want to buy a company that has this weird shady deal with the Saudi royal family that they refuse to disclose the details of? I just see the whole "WWE is for sale" thing as a big non-starter for any prospective buyer.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 7, 2022 14:39:57 GMT -5
I have always said and still stick to it that if this company lands the hands of anyone else outside of the McMahons it is getting shut down and the only things pilliged from it will be character I.Ps and the tape library to fill out a streaming service. Which leads into what I have always believed is the end scenario here post Vince...Khanman is gonna run the day to day as the CEO and Stephanie will be the new chairman of the board. No one is paying billions of dollars to then shut it down and only use the IP and tape library. The money is in the live television product.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 7, 2022 14:50:55 GMT -5
I have always said and still stick to it that if this company lands the hands of anyone else outside of the McMahons it is getting shut down and the only things pilliged from it will be character I.Ps and the tape library to fill out a streaming service. Which leads into what I have always believed is the end scenario here post Vince...Khanman is gonna run the day to day as the CEO and Stephanie will be the new chairman of the board. No one is paying billions of dollars to then shut it down and only use the IP and tape library. The money is in the live television product. Right. They may stop doing house shows but an IP that has so much history but keeps growing is super valuable. Like why would NBC(just for example) give WWE a billion dollars to air Raw but then buy WWE for 6 billion and decide to stop doing live TV? Also, it's not like USA Network, Sy-Fy, NBC, or Peacock don't need content lol. Content is king and new content matters. HITC was the most viewed thing on Peacock on Sunday night. Why would NBC decide "hey we don't need to air any more of those". Just a lot of bad business takes in this thread.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jun 7, 2022 15:08:28 GMT -5
I see this as an obvious bid towards eventually selling the company but I still have no idea who'd actually be willing to take on WWE's massive operating costs. And no, it won't be Disney before anyone suggests that one. Disney lost a f***ton of money with real sports in the nineties and naughties. Can't see them rolling the dice on a fake sport.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 7, 2022 15:09:21 GMT -5
I see this as an obvious bid towards eventually selling the company but I still have no idea who'd actually be willing to take on WWE's massive operating costs. And no, it won't be Disney before anyone suggests that one. Disney lost a f***ton of money with real sports in the nineties and naughties. Can't see them rolling the dice on a fake sport. Aren't they still losing money from ESPN or has that finally stabilize
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jun 7, 2022 15:29:10 GMT -5
So what’s the over under on Nick Khan actually convincing Vince to let himself go next?
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Post by slaughterama on Jun 7, 2022 17:27:12 GMT -5
Just waiting for Steph, Hunter, & Shane to sell their stocks to Tony Khan.
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