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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 16, 2022 17:01:24 GMT -5
Yeah the narrative only now is that this unfortunately paints the whole NJPW angle in a bad light and makes it look to be more self indulgent than important. The problem is, is that it's likely at least a little bit true. Casuals, even some internet fans (including me to an extent) just don't want to have to go back and figure out who all these guys are, and why the match ups make sense. I love the idea of cross promotion for some specific reasons but in reality, they should expect a level of uninterest in this. I mean beyond the Bullet Club and a couple others. Who is known in the US that well? I'm only talking about the few japan talent that has appeared in AEW or in Impact. There is a bridge for fans who only watch what is on TV. NJPW is known as a company but the crossover is tough when a lot of top guys from Japan don't speak English, in the US a lot of fans want the promos and stuff to really tell the story. I mean Jay White is the world champion and good thing he a great talker in English. Like Yeah I know these guys like Hiroshi Tanahashi, Okada, and so forth but how many beyond the diehard do? I mean I know and it sold out fast the event itself. But the translate it to TV?
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 16, 2022 17:06:52 GMT -5
I hate that I am going to contribute to the "we only talk about Dynamite's ratings when they're low" thing but that's a bad number. No real reason you can point to for the rating that low as they did a way better number against the Finals last week that was much bigger than the Stanley cup numbers.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Jun 16, 2022 17:07:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 17:26:50 GMT -5
As much crap as he gets for his eccentric behavior, it's hard to not admire a dude who is always like "I lost a leg today but now my pants fit better. LFG"
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 16, 2022 17:36:40 GMT -5
I'm just gonna pin all of this on Birdbrain being that much of a ratings black hole and be done with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 17:46:27 GMT -5
I hate that I am going to contribute to the "we only talk about Dynamite's ratings when they're low" thing but that's a bad number. No real reason you can point to for the rating that low as they did a way better number against the Finals last week that was much bigger than the Stanley cup numbers. To be fair this is common for both companies.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 16, 2022 17:55:32 GMT -5
I hate that I am going to contribute to the "we only talk about Dynamite's ratings when they're low" thing but that's a bad number. No real reason you can point to for the rating that low as they did a way better number against the Finals last week that was much bigger than the Stanley cup numbers. Literally on page two Meltzer said that Cable across the board hit historically low numbers It's not a wrestling related issue. At least not in the widespread scheme. Maybe some people tuned out due to Forbidden Door? Maybe the Stanley Cup? But the drop accounted for just about all of cable. This seemed to hit everyone, and there isn't one clear explanation as to why.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 16, 2022 17:57:16 GMT -5
I hate that I am going to contribute to the "we only talk about Dynamite's ratings when they're low" thing but that's a bad number. No real reason you can point to for the rating that low as they did a way better number against the Finals last week that was much bigger than the Stanley cup numbers. You have to look at the numbers in context of total audience or else you're going to have an incomplete if not dishonest story. It was like a six year low for cable TV viewership. Like it was still practically tied for first in demo despite, in isolation, 0.28 being a big drop from last week. The story here is "what the hell was going on where cable TV had such a low viewership number?" Because it wasn't anything on network TV as far as I can tell.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 16, 2022 17:58:12 GMT -5
From Meltzer on Twitter: Brandon Thurston noted that this was the second lowest Wednesday for cable TV viewership going back six years (and probably decades) with the exception of July 4, 2018. that's genuinely interesting. what a weird thing. Don't tell the AEW Hate Troll accounts that, they're having their Christmas right now, it's all they can live for, it's their entire personality, think of them when you throw out explanations and logic like this!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 16, 2022 18:00:48 GMT -5
I hate that I am going to contribute to the "we only talk about Dynamite's ratings when they're low" thing but that's a bad number. No real reason you can point to for the rating that low as they did a way better number against the Finals last week that was much bigger than the Stanley cup numbers. You have to look at the numbers in context of total audience or else you're going to have an incomplete if not dishonest story. It was like a six year low for cable TV viewership. Like it was still practically tied for first in demo despite, in isolation, 0.28 being a big drop from last week. The story here is "what the hell was going on where cable TV had such a low viewership number?" Because it wasn't anything on network TV as far as I can tell. I almost wonder if there was a glitch and like a chunk of audiences weren't counted. Otherwise it's just some outstanding dip that has no real conjuncture, it's just that a large portion of peeps that are usually tuned into cable every Wednesday, weren't. The Stanley Cup had to do SOMETHING, but to all of cable? That's a bigger issue. And tbh knowing that now, I hope the narrative that people don't care about New Japan can stop with this info, because they've done the Forbidden Door build for weeks now, and the viewership never dipped like this. Obviously some people aren't gonna care, some on FAN have made it very clear they're lukewarm or don't care at all, but enough for a drop like this? Nah, not if it's a cable wide annomoly.
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Post by The Warthog on Jun 16, 2022 18:03:56 GMT -5
Approx. 200,000 regular viewers were really into the idea of the Hardys dangerously and terrifyingly bumbling through that ladder match and gave up entirely when that wasn't going to happen. Or maybe viewers realized that the Young Bucks were going to win again anyway and tuned out. Bucks don't need the titles.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 16, 2022 18:04:19 GMT -5
You have to look at the numbers in context of total audience or else you're going to have an incomplete if not dishonest story. It was like a six year low for cable TV viewership. Like it was still practically tied for first in demo despite, in isolation, 0.28 being a big drop from last week. The story here is "what the hell was going on where cable TV had such a low viewership number?" Because it wasn't anything on network TV as far as I can tell. I almost wonder if there was a glitch and like a chunk of audiences weren't counted. Otherwise it's just some outstanding dip that has no real conjuncture, it's just that a large portion of peeps that are usually tuned into cable every Wednesday, weren't. The Stanley Cup had to do SOMETHING, but to all of cable? That's a bigger issue. And tbh knowing that now, I hope the narrative that people don't care about New Japan can stop with this info, because they've done the Forbidden Door build for weeks now, and the viewership never dipped like this. Obviously some people aren't gonna care, some on FAN have made it very clear they're lukewarm or don't care at all, but enough for a drop like this? Nah, not if it's a cable wide annomoly. Yeah I'm guessing there was some sort of glitch with Nielsen or some sort of widespread outage.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 16, 2022 18:06:37 GMT -5
Yeah, just sounds like people didn't watch TV at all last night. Really don't think you can put this on NJPW wrestlers or anything since that'd mean their mere precense on TV caused ALL TV stations to lose viewers. Which is just stupid, more likely the loss of MJF caused all viewers to tune out of all TV.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 16, 2022 18:08:26 GMT -5
Approx. 200,000 regular viewers were really into the idea of the Hardys dangerously and terrifyingly bumbling through that ladder match and gave up entirely when that wasn't going to happen. Or maybe viewers realized that the Young Bucks were going to win again anyway and tuned out. Bucks don't need the titles. Did they? It didn't seem like the tag title change was a super given last night, especially with the Hardy's being removed Like again this was a cable wide issue, it's really weird to try and project some hatred on certain wrestlers as the root cause. I wouldn't be shocked if the Ladder match actually gained numbers back tbh.
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Post by flowercity on Jun 16, 2022 18:12:42 GMT -5
MJF and Punk are huge needle movers. Their absence won’t help.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 16, 2022 18:22:22 GMT -5
The Forbidden Door concept has been a huge draw except when it wasn't and a huge ratings killer except when it wasn't. The ratings has been good and bad over the past month with New Japan all over the product. Whatever it is this week (which seemed to partially go beyond AEW), it wasn't that in my view.
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Post by markymark on Jun 16, 2022 18:35:15 GMT -5
Yeah from a ratings standpoint they needed the Hardyz, good thing OC returned, and never try that handicap match(Wardlow vs 20 geeks) ever again.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jun 16, 2022 18:45:33 GMT -5
Find it mildly amusing that the week I drop off the ratings follow, ngl. After the underwhelming results last week where all roads led either to Bullet Club/Undisputed Elite/Will Ospreay I wouldn't blame anyone for dropping off, though bad results for all of TV is a bit extreme.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 16, 2022 18:48:10 GMT -5
Yeah from a ratings standpoint they needed the Hardyz, good thing OC returned, and never try that handicap match(Wardlow vs 20 geeks) ever again.
They didn't have their usual lead in either, usually when they don't, the show starts off much weaker and doesn't see bigger gains.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 16, 2022 18:49:58 GMT -5
Find it mildly amusing that the week I drop off the ratings follow, ngl. After the underwhelming results last week where all roads led either to Bullet Club/Undisputed Elite/Will Ospreay I wouldn't blame anyone for dropping off, though bad results for all of TV is a bit extreme. I know Ospreay has his haters for reasons, but the crowd went apeshit for he and Dax's match, I don't think a lot of people are really aware of his dumbass past in the US especially. Really don't think any of that caused a dropoff due to how over these acts generally are, cable as a whole as you said, just was an extreme down across the board Maybe Will Ospreay showing up killed ALL of US television? He's just that powerful!
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