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Post by asuka007 on Jun 18, 2022 2:28:59 GMT -5
It also doesn’t not help that, Brock vs. Roman matches are just not that good.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2022 2:33:29 GMT -5
Doing the stats for televised one-on-one matches between all these combinations, so this doesn’t include multi-man matches (so the WM31 match that technically is a triple threat after Rollins cashed in MITB isn’t counted for these stats):
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Sheamus/Del Rio Timeframe: 2011-2014 # of Matches: 13 (three on PPV)
Cena/Orton Timeframe: 2005-2017 # of Matches: 21 (10 on PPV), 14 of them in 2007-2010 window
Kingston/Ziggler Timeframe: 2009-2019 # of Matches: 29 (six on PPV), but only four after 2013
Lesnar/Reigns Timeframe: 2015-2022 # of Matches: 5, soon 6 (all on PPV)
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Each of them have their own unique quirks to them that make them feel stale in different ways. Sheamus and Del Rio didn’t have THAT many big matches, but it feels like it because it was booked multiple times otherwise but were then changed later, notably with two other PPVs. Kingston and Ziggler were the workrate pairing thrown out to fill TV time. Lesnar and Reigns have only had a handful of matches in a big timeframe, but it absorbs all the attention and hype of the company like a black hole. Cena and Orton seems to be the one that is the “average stale feud” in terms of number of matches relative to timeframe and push from the company.
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Post by spagett on Jun 18, 2022 2:42:43 GMT -5
Creatively bankrupt.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jun 18, 2022 3:29:27 GMT -5
Doing the stats for televised one-on-one matches between all these combinations, so this doesn’t include multi-man matches (so the WM31 match that technically is a triple threat after Rollins cashed in MITB isn’t counted for these stats): ——— Sheamus/Del RioTimeframe: 2011-2014 # of Matches: 13 (three on PPV) Cena/OrtonTimeframe: 2005-2017 # of Matches: 21 (10 on PPV), 14 of them in 2007-2010 window Kingston/ZigglerTimeframe: 2009-2019 # of Matches: 29 (six on PPV), but only four after 2013 Lesnar/ReignsTimeframe: 2015-2022 # of Matches: 5, soon 6 (all on PPV) ——— Each of them have their own unique quirks to them that make them feel stale in different ways. Sheamus and Del Rio didn’t have THAT many big matches, but it feels like it because it was booked multiple times otherwise but were then changed later, notably with two other PPVs. Kingston and Ziggler were the workrate pairing thrown out to fill TV time. Lesnar and Reigns have only had a handful of matches in a big timeframe, but it absorbs all the attention and hype of the company like a black hole. Cena and Orton seems to be the one that is the “average stale feud” in terms of number of matches relative to timeframe and push from the company. Yeah, see looking at the stats out of context, 5 matches over seven years is nothing. It's really telling of the bad booking around them, and over dependence on these two that such a small amount of matches in that timeframe is so stale. The two narratives they have pushed over the last decade are "Brock is the biggest, baddest, most legit wrestler ever, and he will destroy all.. even Roman Reigns." and "Roman Reigns is the big dog, and the face of the WWE. He can defeat anyone.. even Brock Lesnar." They have created some shite paradox over the last seven years. One that is clearly not ending any time soon.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 18, 2022 6:14:44 GMT -5
The Last Man Standing Match aspect of it does make this better than just running it straight up again. I think the plunder will help them churn out a classic.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 18, 2022 6:48:42 GMT -5
As much as I am tired of Brock vs Roman, I don't mind it because I know it's going to draw. Brock vs Roman as this version was doing huge ratings before Wrestlemania, so I can't say the interest isn't there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 6:53:14 GMT -5
f***ing kill me now.
I'm so over Brock Lesnar man.
He single handedly ruined WWE for me.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jun 18, 2022 7:03:30 GMT -5
Doing the stats for televised one-on-one matches between all these combinations, so this doesn’t include multi-man matches (so the WM31 match that technically is a triple threat after Rollins cashed in MITB isn’t counted for these stats): ——— Sheamus/Del RioTimeframe: 2011-2014 # of Matches: 13 (three on PPV) Cena/OrtonTimeframe: 2005-2017 # of Matches: 21 (10 on PPV), 14 of them in 2007-2010 window Kingston/ZigglerTimeframe: 2009-2019 # of Matches: 29 (six on PPV), but only four after 2013 Lesnar/ReignsTimeframe: 2015-2022 # of Matches: 5, soon 6 (all on PPV) ——— Each of them have their own unique quirks to them that make them feel stale in different ways. Sheamus and Del Rio didn’t have THAT many big matches, but it feels like it because it was booked multiple times otherwise but were then changed later, notably with two other PPVs. Kingston and Ziggler were the workrate pairing thrown out to fill TV time. Lesnar and Reigns have only had a handful of matches in a big timeframe, but it absorbs all the attention and hype of the company like a black hole. Cena and Orton seems to be the one that is the “average stale feud” in terms of number of matches relative to timeframe and push from the company. Yeah, see looking at the stats out of context, 5 matches over seven years is nothing. It's really telling of the bad booking around them, and over dependence on these two that such a small amount of matches in that timeframe is so stale. The two narratives they have pushed over the last decade are "Brock is the biggest, baddest, most legit wrestler ever, and he will destroy all.. even Roman Reigns." and "Roman Reigns is the big dog, and the face of the WWE. He can defeat anyone.. even Brock Lesnar." They have created some shite paradox over the last seven years. One that is clearly not ending any time soon. it's just the matter where it seemed for 6 of those 7 years were spent building to the inevitable roman/brock match rather than actually having them over and over again.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 18, 2022 7:04:26 GMT -5
They got nothing; they can't make stars. They were banking on Cody Rhodes, who became a star elsewhere.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 18, 2022 7:06:10 GMT -5
The video of Brock returning is already at a million views on youtube. The interest is there.
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Post by knightboat on Jun 18, 2022 8:04:52 GMT -5
Rollins is winning money in the bank and cashing in near the end of the match right?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 18, 2022 8:22:02 GMT -5
It's one thing to do a match over and over. But these two in particular don't have much left in the tank with each other. Their last match was like a parody of their previous matches. They only do one style and I'm numb to them just doing big move after big move. The only difference here will be that we have to wait 10 seconds between each spot. So a normal Brock/Roman match but with more counting.
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Post by evenbroddt on Jun 18, 2022 9:50:28 GMT -5
Rollins is winning money in the bank and cashing in near the end of the match right? Seth wins MitB. Roman spears Brock off the stage or somethin to where they are both down for the count. Seth cashes in and wins without having to touch either guy
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Toates Madhackrviper
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jun 18, 2022 10:00:33 GMT -5
Speaking of eternal feuds? Remember the Cryme Tyme vs Hart Dynasty one that felt like it lasted forever? Noone seems to remember that.
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Post by Zen411 on Jun 18, 2022 10:11:27 GMT -5
Seth specifically mentioned topping his last money in the bank cash in which also involved Brock and Roman. I have no doubt he interjects himself in this one. Maybe he adds himself to the match.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 18, 2022 10:17:59 GMT -5
I don't mind Brock. He's usually fun for the limited time he's around and the shows have more energy with him there. But Roman? Again? That's the least interesting thing you can do with Brock at this point in time and it just further reinforces that nobody in WWE is on Roman's level. And that's not a good thing - WWE needs more stars, especially with so many out.
I still don't understand why WWE hasn't gone back to Seth vs. Roman after the Rumble match. The multiple losses to Cody would make it a tough sell now maybe, but there's enough there to get a PPV main event out of it and for it to feel like the main event.
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 18, 2022 10:31:30 GMT -5
Yeah, this really feels like a "We've got nothing for the second biggest show of the year so f*** it, run Brock/Roman again".
And I mean, I'd understand that as an emergency option, but they really could've had Riddle win. Guy is hot right now, it would've been a genuine surprise/feel good moment, and you could lead in to SummerSlam with an actual fresh feud.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 18, 2022 10:47:43 GMT -5
Sigh Brock is just gonna lose again
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Post by 4real on Jun 18, 2022 11:45:04 GMT -5
I shouted at my screen after the match “Bring someone out! Give me a reason to watch this shit next week!”
And then Brock came out. And I laughed so hard. Like of course it’s Brock because WWE won’t do anything exciting or new to keeps fans watching their product.
Lashley should have got the title shot next. Never lost the WWE Title still hasn’t had a rematch. Also Seth beat Roman and is owed a rematch….but no lol Brock again.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 18, 2022 11:50:49 GMT -5
This was apparently in the works three weeks ago, so I’m not sure this is exactly Brock being used as a distraction from Vince. It seems this was in the works before WWE even knew the WSJ story was coming.
That said, it’s a tired, tired match. If they just built anybody up as a legit threat, they wouldn’t have to go to this well. My guess is Rollins is about to steal the WWE Title back and bring it to RAW and so they don’t want to feed Lashley or any other slightly believable babyface to Reigns.
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