And now Booker T gets in on Adam Coles size

[FinalGwen]

Reminds me of when Billy Graham told Kofi to get on the juice.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 19, 2022 19:08:32 GMT -5 Raw is Doodie101 said:

That's how I feel about Adam Cole as well. I just don't find anything he does believable in the ring, especially in AEW where he's lost muscle mass from NXT. Like he was small in NXT but he still had some definition where it looked like he could fight. He looks like a child in AEW these days. Him fighting Joe was a joke.

I also hate the notion that you can't say anything about a wrestler's body in a profession where we're supposed to believe that these people are fighting. There is a level of belief that you have to have to enjoy wrestling. For many people, that belief comes in the form of body presentation. Do you look like you can fight? Whether you are short or tall, big or small, how do you use your body to present yourself? Kevin Owens is a big guy but he used his body in ways that are believable. Eddie Kingston isn't a muscle guy, but he uses his body in ways that are violent and he feels like a killer. Daniel Bryan is a short but sturdy dude who looks like he could kick your head in.

Adam Cole does none of those things with his body. He's a technician/striker but he has no mass to make his strikes feel believable and he's that not great of a technician where he feels like he can wrestle circles around his opponent.

He's lost no f***ing muscle mass from his days in NXT. For f***s sakes he is the exact same person, I watched his NXT run and his AEW run. This shit is how people get body dysmorphia. I find it incredibly disgusting. 





Like I'm sorry, but the whole "He's lost mass from his NXT run" baffles me. I constantly look at his NXT physique to his AEW physique and I see little to no difference at all. If he did lose mass, maybe the fact he has a torn labrum might have something to do with it? Something that isn't his fault? Even then... I don't see it at all, and I find it insulting any time it's brought up.

And miss me with the "Adam Cole does none of those things to make himself look like a believable wrestler" shit, he's crisp and smooth in ring, and all of his strikes and hits look like they deliver plenty of impact, as much as any wrestler. 

I never understand or will understand the camp that treats Adam Cole this way, and hiding behind the shield of "It's a profession about looking good, we're supposed to believe these people can fight", well I believe Adam Cole can fight and he doesn't come off like a joke to me and him wrestling/beating Samoa Joe isn't a joke to be either. Can't believe this is even something that has to be defended tbh.

[The Trashman]

Jun 19, 2022 19:23:37 GMT -5 lockedontarget said:

I hear people say that him being smaller makes his strikes not believable but I don’t get that at all. Same with Riho. Guess what? If an 80 pound human kicked you in the jaw or kneed you upside the head as hard as they could, it would hurt and could absolutely knock you out.

No it wouldn't. Thats like the size of a 10 year old.

[Raw is Doodie101]

Jun 19, 2022 20:18:00 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 19, 2022 19:08:32 GMT -5 Raw is Doodie101 said:

That's how I feel about Adam Cole as well. I just don't find anything he does believable in the ring, especially in AEW where he's lost muscle mass from NXT. Like he was small in NXT but he still had some definition where it looked like he could fight. He looks like a child in AEW these days. Him fighting Joe was a joke.

I also hate the notion that you can't say anything about a wrestler's body in a profession where we're supposed to believe that these people are fighting. There is a level of belief that you have to have to enjoy wrestling. For many people, that belief comes in the form of body presentation. Do you look like you can fight? Whether you are short or tall, big or small, how do you use your body to present yourself? Kevin Owens is a big guy but he used his body in ways that are believable. Eddie Kingston isn't a muscle guy, but he uses his body in ways that are violent and he feels like a killer. Daniel Bryan is a short but sturdy dude who looks like he could kick your head in.

Adam Cole does none of those things with his body. He's a technician/striker but he has no mass to make his strikes feel believable and he's that not great of a technician where he feels like he can wrestle circles around his opponent.

He's lost no f***ing muscle mass from his days in NXT. For f***s sakes he is the exact same person, I watched his NXT run and his AEW run. This shit is how people get body dysmorphia. I find it incredibly disgusting. 





Like I'm sorry, but the whole "He's lost mass from his NXT run" baffles me. I constantly look at his NXT physique to his AEW physique and I see little to no difference at all. If he did lose mass, maybe the fact he has a torn labrum might have something to do with it? Something that isn't his fault? Even then... I don't see it at all, and I find it insulting any time it's brought up.

And miss me with the "Adam Cole does none of those things to make himself look like a believable wrestler" shit, he's crisp and smooth in ring, and all of his strikes and hits look like they deliver plenty of impact, as much as any wrestler. 

I never understand or will understand the camp that treats Adam Cole this way, and hiding behind the shield of "It's a profession about looking good, we're supposed to believe these people can fight", well I believe Adam Cole can fight and he doesn't come off like a joke to me and him wrestling/beating Samoa Joe isn't a joke to be either. Can't believe this is even something that has to be defended tbh.

Good for you. He looks smaller to me in AEW. I also don't really care if you find it insulting. He can be as crisp and smooth in the ring as he wants. He doesn't look believable to me as a wrestler. That's my opinion and the opinion of others.

The camp that treats him this way? I don't hide behind anything. My viewpoint is that wrestling is how someone makes you believe in it. It's no different than an actor gaining weight for a role or someone bulking up to play a superhero.

[Tiger Millionaire]

The responses to this stupidity by Booker T match the stupidity of the original comment, but they are enjoyable for a good laugh.

[Demented]

Booker T talking about the size of Adam Cole's hog is not something I expected.

...

What do you mean it's not about his hog?

[Wieners=$$$]

Here you go Mr. T, now please be quiet about modern wrestling.

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

Just because someone has an “opinion” doesn’t mean it can’t be a trash take.

Take from that statement what you will.

[Mecca]

Jun 19, 2022 20:30:53 GMT -5 Raw is Doodie101 said:

Jun 19, 2022 20:18:00 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

He's lost no f***ing muscle mass from his days in NXT. For f***s sakes he is the exact same person, I watched his NXT run and his AEW run. This shit is how people get body dysmorphia. I find it incredibly disgusting. 





Like I'm sorry, but the whole "He's lost mass from his NXT run" baffles me. I constantly look at his NXT physique to his AEW physique and I see little to no difference at all. If he did lose mass, maybe the fact he has a torn labrum might have something to do with it? Something that isn't his fault? Even then... I don't see it at all, and I find it insulting any time it's brought up.

And miss me with the "Adam Cole does none of those things to make himself look like a believable wrestler" shit, he's crisp and smooth in ring, and all of his strikes and hits look like they deliver plenty of impact, as much as any wrestler. 

I never understand or will understand the camp that treats Adam Cole this way, and hiding behind the shield of "It's a profession about looking good, we're supposed to believe these people can fight", well I believe Adam Cole can fight and he doesn't come off like a joke to me and him wrestling/beating Samoa Joe isn't a joke to be either. Can't believe this is even something that has to be defended tbh.

Good for you. He looks smaller to me in AEW. I also don't really care if you find it insulting. He can be as crisp and smooth in the ring as he wants. He doesn't look believable to me as a wrestler. That's my opinion and the opinion of others.

The camp that treats him this way? I don't hide behind anything. My viewpoint is that wrestling is how someone makes you believe in it. It's no different than an actor gaining weight for a role or someone bulking up to play a superhero.

You must really not be a fan of today's wrestling because the vast majority of them are smaller huh?

[Deleted]

Jun 19, 2022 20:50:49 GMT -5 Demented said:

Booker T talking about the size of Adam Cole's hog is not something I expected.

...

What do you mean it's not about his hog?

He starts being accompanied to the ring by a large pig and gets a new catchphrase: "I'm gonna go Cole hog!"

[Starshine]

I'm not even all that big a fan of Cole, but his is size is not an issue. This just comes off as sour grapes stemming from that the guy can find success just about everywhere in wrestling without having to destory his body in the gym.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Adam Cole needs to do things to become a star; gain more muscle, dance around like a fool, put on silly costumes like a fool, act like a royal fool.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

It's very easy for me to take smaller guys seriously when I grew up as a sports fan seeing dudes in MMA and boxing destroying dudes bigger then them. Look at Royce Gracie at UFC 1 or Sakuraba in Japan. Look at the punching power Manny Pacquiao had. So stuff like this just doesn't compute for me.

[bob]

Shawn Michaels, Rey Mysterio, Daniel Bryan, & Chris Jericho among others have held all been world champions despite not being the tallest people in the world

You don’t need to be a giant to hold the top belt for a wrestling company - that out of date mind set is from the 1980’s

[kingoftheindies]

Not even talking about the size thing, I'm just curious where all the random Adam Cole hate came from.

[Hypnosis]

Jun 19, 2022 20:17:21 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Reminds me of when Billy Graham told Kofi to get on the juice.

What's crazy about that is Booker actually criticized Billy Graham for that comment, but now Booker's saying the same dumb shit that Graham does.

[Raw is Doodie101]

Jun 19, 2022 21:16:20 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Jun 19, 2022 20:30:53 GMT -5 Raw is Doodie101 said:

Good for you. He looks smaller to me in AEW. I also don't really care if you find it insulting. He can be as crisp and smooth in the ring as he wants. He doesn't look believable to me as a wrestler. That's my opinion and the opinion of others.

The camp that treats him this way? I don't hide behind anything. My viewpoint is that wrestling is how someone makes you believe in it. It's no different than an actor gaining weight for a role or someone bulking up to play a superhero.

You must really not be a fan of today's wrestling because the vast majority of them are smaller huh?

It's not smaller wrestlers that I have a problem with. My thing about wrestling is do I buy this? I believe that Bryan Danielson can kick ass because even though he's smaller, he still has muscle, he's sturdy and wrestles a style that makes sense with his frame. I believe Ricochet because even though he's small, he's in great shape and wrestles a high-flying style where he can hit you from any angle with moves. I believe in AJ Styles because even though he's small, he still has some muscle, has believable strikes, and has ariel moves. I believe in Carmelo Hayes because even though he's short, he looks strong as hell and I would buy him fighting anybody.

Some of my favorites of all time are smaller guys like Bryan, AJ, and HBK. Do I have a preference for guys who look like actual athletes? Sure, I like my wrestlers to not look like regular dudes on the street. But I don't have a problem with short wrestlers in modern wrestling. But I do have a problem with guys who are 5'10, 160, and who wrestle like their 6'2 210 as Adam Cole does, and have me supposed to believe that. It's not that he's small. It's that he's small and has no muscle nor does he wrestle a style that makes sense for his body. It's just not realistic to me especially when he fights guys like Samoa Joe or Keith Lee.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Jun 19, 2022 21:36:39 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Not even talking about the size thing, I'm just curious where all the random Adam Cole hate came from.

The general reason for hate around here is that if you're the kind of fan who's been watching whatever is the hot workrate promotion, you've seen Adam Cole in the same spot, working with the same people, and playing the same character since about 2015. Which...is really reasonable from a fan perspective. It's also easy to see why it's happened from a promoter's perspective, because each time, he was working somewhere new, and each booker was going with something that they knew worked. But for anyone who hopped from promotion to promotion, woof, that's tough.

Even as someone who didn't watch him in NXT, I'm just kinda looking at him and feeling like I've seen it all secondhand. And I'm enjoying him more than many here, it feels like.

[kingoftheindies]

Jun 19, 2022 21:46:04 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Jun 19, 2022 21:36:39 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Not even talking about the size thing, I'm just curious where all the random Adam Cole hate came from.

The general reason for hate around here is that if you're the kind of fan who's been watching whatever is the hot workrate promotion, you've seen Adam Cole in the same spot, working with the same people, and playing the same character since about 2015. Which...is really reasonable from a fan perspective. It's also easy to see why it's happened from a promoter's perspective, because each time, he was working somewhere new, and each booker was going with something that they knew worked. But for anyone who hopped from promotion to promotion, woof, that's tough.

Even as someone who didn't watch him in NXT, I'm just kinda looking at him and feeling like I've seen it all secondhand. And I'm enjoying him more than many here, it feels like.

Yeah I just get confused. Seemed like people were complaining because he was not being made a big deal when he came in (not entirely true) and now they think he's being used too much.

At the end of the day, I think Kenny being out longer than expected (remember original plan was February) as derailed a lot of plans for Adam, the Bucks, and Redragon. You also have other injuries the MJF situation, and thr Hardy situation so you have to rely on Adam on the mic more.

I am just confused by the hate. Booker saying something doesn't upset me. If people think Cole is small, whatevs.

[IgnahtaSempria]

I don't recall Booker having any of these complaints about Cole while he was under a WWE contract. Funny how that works.

And in regards to his strikes "not looking effective", did you know that strikes to the back of the head are illegal in almost all legitimate combat sports? Do you know why? Because the back of your skull isn't nearly as hard as your forehead. You can literally die from enough blunt force trauma to the back of the head. Hell, Lince Dorado botched a shooting star senton early in his career and slammed the back of his head into the mat, and it caused a seizure that left him legally blind in his left eye to this day. So a rabbit punch-style knee is one of the more believable finishers in wrestling, because that SHOULD end a fight.