Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 14:21:25 GMT -5
The first entry in Wrestlecrap being the first Casino Battle Royal got me thinking. That match is certainly not great, but not that terrible either. In that way it’s underrated. Granted that’s a jump from horrible to “meh” at least to me. What other matches or moments are underrated or overrated.
The underrated match that comes to mind for me is the Omega vs PAC vs Cassidy match from DoN 2021. It was honestly one of my favorites of the whole year. Cool spots, a rare AEW triple threat, good chemistry between everyone. Made me wish they ran Omega vs PAC and Cassidy 1 on 1. Yet whenever I heard people bring up 2021 matches of the year, this was not as high as I thought. I thought it deserved more praise than it got. Maybe it was AEW PPV length fatigue.
Overrated, any moment in a Sting match where he no sells a big bump. I’m usually one who is fine with big spots, but I never like no selling a move as a gimmick in that way. Always takes me out of a match.
|
|
|
Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 21, 2022 14:49:23 GMT -5
Underrated: I don't know if underrated is the right word, most people probably called them great at the time, but PAC's matches in late 2019 with Omega and Page don't get enough love. PAC is a bit of a forgotten man. It's like he's always on the verge of disappearing for a month or two at a time. He never seems to be around long enough to get into any real big time stuff but if he was I'd easily have him as one of the absolute top guys.
Overrated: The first Britt/Rosa match due to the blood. It was fine. It wasn't amazing or anything but like I remember people gassing it up a lot and then Meltzer calling it historical and giving it a higher rating than Sasha/Bianca at Wrestlemania a week or two later and I'm sorry, but Sasha/Bianca was a far better/historic match.
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 47,879
|
Post by Dub H on Jun 21, 2022 14:58:12 GMT -5
Two Underrated moments:
The Cracker Barrel Match is just pure fun Hardcore Stuff
PnP vs Young Bucks, personally it was better than any YB vs FTR match.
Overrated: Definitely Britt/Rosa.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 15:01:14 GMT -5
Underrated: I don't know if underrated is the right word, most people probably called them great at the time, but PAC's matches in late 2019 with Omega and Page don't get enough love. PAC is a bit of a forgotten man. It's like he's always on the verge of disappearing for a month or two at a time. He never seems to be around long enough to get into any real big time stuff but if he was I'd easily have him as one of the absolute top guys. If I made a list of guys COVID screwed over, PAC is a top that list. Guy was a main player in the pre pandemic days. Seemed like a shoe in future World Champ. Now it’s tough because of how loaded the roster is & his living in the UK. I loved the PAC vs Page matches and wish they went to him for Hangman’s challenger post Revolution. Fenix being out meant all the House of Black stuff dragged for months. I’d much rather PAC show up to play up their history than Hangman vs Cole round 2.
|
|
thirteen3
Dennis Stamp
posted with a broken freakin neck keyboard
Posts: 3,803
|
Post by thirteen3 on Jun 21, 2022 15:02:42 GMT -5
PAC should be a way bigger deal than he his. But Now thinking maybe him refusing to job whilst he was the Dragon Gate champion may have soured his reputation a little?
|
|
|
Post by lavelleuk22 on Jun 21, 2022 15:29:22 GMT -5
Imo Britt Rosa was genuinely amazing,one of my all-time favourite matches and my friend still watches it every other month.
I don't have the best memory for actual moments or matches so sorry if this is too off-topic
Underrated - as someone who never followed them anywhere else, The Young Bucks mic skills/promos or whatever get too much hate,and the no-selling is hugely overblown
Overrated - William Regal in general, Ricky Starkes look/charisma
|
|
|
Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jun 21, 2022 16:23:32 GMT -5
underrated - Sonny/Janella's feud and matches that happened on the YT show(s), really great proof to show if somebody questions if Sonny deserves to be on Dynamite/Rampage
|
|
champchumpchange
Don Corleone
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall.
Posts: 1,682
|
Post by champchumpchange on Jun 21, 2022 16:43:47 GMT -5
Over - Adam Cole, Thunder Rosa, Brian Pillman Jr. (he should not have been on TV as much as he has so far)
Under - Ricky Starks, Will Hobbs & Taz, Red Velvet, Jaime Hayter
|
|
ASYLUMHAUSEN
Fry's dog Seymour
GIFs | Shitposts | Fun
Posts: 24,417
|
Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Jun 21, 2022 18:23:43 GMT -5
Overrated - William Regal in general *rage filled murder eyes INTENSIFIES*
|
|
ASYLUMHAUSEN
Fry's dog Seymour
GIFs | Shitposts | Fun
Posts: 24,417
|
Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Jun 21, 2022 18:27:55 GMT -5
Underrated; Janella vs Omega (October 2019. The V-Trigger spot - especially the way Joey sold it - was just god tier)
Nick Jackson vs Rey Fénix (late 2019 if memory serves. Felt like one of the peak Nitro cruiserweight matches in all the best ways)
|
|
|
Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 21, 2022 19:59:31 GMT -5
underrated - Sonny/Janella's feud and matches that happened on the YT show(s), really great proof to show if somebody questions if Sonny deserves to be on Dynamite/Rampage 100% agree with this. That feud deserved to be capped off on a big show, but it didn't involve TK's shiny new toys so sadly it wasn't. Both of them put in the work, and told an excellent story with that feud. Should have elevated Sonny who I think is one of the most underrated talents AEW has. Also Kip Sabian's effort to make his new gimmick work (treading water for how long now?) also falls under underrated and doesn't involve TK's shiny new toys. But hey at least he gets shown in the crowd sometimes!
|
|
clifford
King Koopa
Shingo Takagi stan
Posts: 10,683
|
Post by clifford on Jun 22, 2022 8:00:19 GMT -5
Underrated: Mox/MJF at All Out 2020. A fantastic PPV main event where MJF displayed in ring storytelling and a main event aura far beyond his years and far beyond even how he had been presented up to that point. Don't think it gets talked about/looked back upon fondly enough.
Overrated: Honestly, I'm not feeling the Wheeler Yuta presentation since the Mox match/initiation into BCC. He's just kind of stayed the same technically brilliant but pretty bland charisma-wise wrestler. There hasn't been a character overhaul. He had an astoundingly average BOSJ in Japan. He did get a good reaction in the Casino Battle Royal but I guess what I'm getting at is that he isn't living up to the push/presentation he's currently getting.
|
|
|
Post by lavelleuk22 on Jun 22, 2022 8:16:33 GMT -5
Overrated: Honestly, I'm not feeling the Wheeler Yuta presentation since the Mox match/initiation into BCC. He's just kind of stayed the same technically brilliant but pretty bland charisma-wise wrestler. There hasn't been a character overhaul. He had an astoundingly average BOSJ in Japan. He did get a good reaction in the Casino Battle Royal but I guess what I'm getting at is that he isn't living up to the push/presentation he's currently getting. I agree with that, I didn't watch BOSJ but he had a couple of good matches in isolation, but yet there is still no reason to care about him. Left Best Friends and they apparently already don't care, and so far his character development is copying Danielson's elbows or Regal talking about him grabbing people's noses, not really thrilling stuff. The story is basically "he's tightening up his ring work" but honestly, do 99% of fans care or notice that stuff, I can't imagine anyone watching TV and being excited that he put his forearm in someone's face as he pinned him, rather than having forearm to the side lol I honestly genuinely respect Regal so I don't people having a a problem with him as a person, but in my eyes Regal is only still remembered now due to his comedy. Ok you can point to some promos, build up to Mox and defending Eugene. But without his funny skits and GM, the silliness with the brass knucks, rapping, stuff with Tajiri, his comedy faces, kiss my ass, queensbury rules match, drinking Jericho urine, Santino interactions etc. in my opinion he'd be long forgotten by US fans, he'd just be that English guy in WCW and the failed Man's Man in WWE So what is his plan to make future stars and make future workers stand out? Make them 100% serious, wrestling machines. The storyline, or maybe behind the scenes mentoring who knows, is basically telling them to NOT do the very thing that made his career and made him relevant in the eyes of modern fans. Even on commentary he is entertaining when he is calling people tosspot and flirting with the other commentators, yet the BCC are doing the opposite and showing LESS personality. It's like he's a mix of knowing what works for him, but teaching people to work how he likes to watch. Hope that makes sense to OP - I just realised this isn't the purpose of this thread, sorry!! If it ends up derailing it, which I hope not, I will repost in a BCC thread
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 22, 2022 8:26:31 GMT -5
Underrated is tough but I'll throw the Jurassic Express and Christian vs the Super Kliq from Full Gear. Felt that was a star making performance for JB and Luchasaurus that catapulted them towards tag champs
Overrated is a bit tougher... as much ad I loved it probably Arcade Anarky?
|
|
Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
Posts: 41,515
|
Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 22, 2022 8:32:44 GMT -5
I dunno if overrated is the right word (maybe underwhelming?) but the BCC just isn't clicking with me, and I say that as a huge fan of all involved.
|
|
clifford
King Koopa
Shingo Takagi stan
Posts: 10,683
|
Post by clifford on Jun 22, 2022 8:47:56 GMT -5
I dunno if overrated is the right word (maybe underwhelming?) but the BCC just isn't clicking with me, and I say that as a huge fan of all involved. Its taking three of the best talkers and performers in the company (Mox, Danielson, Regal) and diminishing their roles/individuality to become a cohesive team. You hear the term 'greater than the sum of their parts'; well, the BCC as a stable is 'worse than the sum of its parts'. I think either one of Mox or Danielson with Regal as a manager mentoring young wrestlers is a fantastic concept. But not both of them; it kind of limits them both, if that makes sense.
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 22, 2022 9:02:07 GMT -5
I dunno if overrated is the right word (maybe underwhelming?) but the BCC just isn't clicking with me, and I say that as a huge fan of all involved. I like the angle they did with Yuta. I kind of think they rushed them into the JAS/Eddie feud (maybe because of issues with Santana?) combine that with Yuta going to BOTSJ and it feels like they lost quite a bit of momentum
|
|
Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
Posts: 41,515
|
Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 22, 2022 9:02:47 GMT -5
I dunno if overrated is the right word (maybe underwhelming?) but the BCC just isn't clicking with me, and I say that as a huge fan of all involved. Its taking three of the best talkers and performers in the company (Mox, Danielson, Regal) and diminishing their roles/individuality to become a cohesive team. You hear the term 'greater than the sum of their parts'; well, the BCC as a stable is 'worse than the sum of its parts'. I think either one of Mox or Danielson with Regal as a manager mentoring young wrestlers is a fantastic concept. But not both of them; it kind of limits them both, if that makes sense. It does. The whole thing is redundant.
|
|
|
Post by canceled4truth on Jun 22, 2022 10:00:12 GMT -5
I'd echo the above sentiments on the BCC.
CM Punk vs Eddie Kingston at Full Gear is one of my favorite AEW matches ever, but I feel like no one talks about it. Maybe because it was only 10 minutes, idk
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 14:05:59 GMT -5
Overrated: Honestly, I'm not feeling the Wheeler Yuta presentation since the Mox match/initiation into BCC. He's just kind of stayed the same technically brilliant but pretty bland charisma-wise wrestler. There hasn't been a character overhaul. He had an astoundingly average BOSJ in Japan. He did get a good reaction in the Casino Battle Royal but I guess what I'm getting at is that he isn't living up to the push/presentation he's currently getting. I agree with that, I didn't watch BOSJ but he had a couple of good matches in isolation, but yet there is still no reason to care about him. Left Best Friends and they apparently already don't care, and so far his character development is copying Danielson's elbows or Regal talking about him grabbing people's noses, not really thrilling stuff. The story is basically "he's tightening up his ring work" but honestly, do 99% of fans care or notice that stuff, I can't imagine anyone watching TV and being excited that he put his forearm in someone's face as he pinned him, rather than having forearm to the side lol I honestly genuinely respect Regal so I don't people having a a problem with him as a person, but in my eyes Regal is only still remembered now due to his comedy. Ok you can point to some promos, build up to Mox and defending Eugene. But without his funny skits and GM, the silliness with the brass knucks, rapping, stuff with Tajiri, his comedy faces, kiss my ass, queensbury rules match, drinking Jericho urine, Santino interactions etc. in my opinion he'd be long forgotten by US fans, he'd just be that English guy in WCW and the failed Man's Man in WWE So what is his plan to make future stars and make future workers stand out? Make them 100% serious, wrestling machines. The storyline, or maybe behind the scenes mentoring who knows, is basically telling them to NOT do the very thing that made his career and made him relevant in the eyes of modern fans. Even on commentary he is entertaining when he is calling people tosspot and flirting with the other commentators, yet the BCC are doing the opposite and showing LESS personality. It's like he's a mix of knowing what works for him, but teaching people to work how he likes to watch. Hope that makes sense to OP - I just realised this isn't the purpose of this thread, sorry!! If it ends up derailing it, which I hope not, I will repost in a BCC thread First, a little rabbit trail is fine. As long as this thread doesn’t replace “overrated” with outright bashing (like so many threads can devolve into). About Regal, I feel like you are focusing on just the comedy. I remember him most fondly for his great heel GM run, winning KOTR (which if rumors are to be believed, would have landed him a World Title, if not for his being wellnessed). Even his WWECW run as a foil for Christian was good. But most of all, you are overlooking his NXT influence where a lot of the idea of his current character comes from. Look at all the praise he got from former NXT guys post release. He was the guy their helping the next generation. Hell Regalwas going to BOLA in the mid 2010s giving advice because even then he was seen as a guy who knew his stuff. He has always been seen as a good hand, their is a reason why he was a trusted midcard act, good comedic timing helps. But I can’t boil him down to only his comedy when his current character makes sense as a trainer to future stars. All this to say one quick thing about BCC. I think a lot of problems come from the fact that people were expecting it to be a Two Man Power Trip type run with a dash of raising younger guys up. Which it was until they got into the JAS vs Kingston vortex. I get it, I think Blood and Guts will be the end of it. Where they go from their who knows. I’d hold off on calling the whole deal overrated. They literally just had a great PPV brawl last month, and BaG should be similarly good.
|
|