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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 17, 2022 11:33:09 GMT -5
So what's the deal with Dave Meltzer tweet here?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 17, 2022 11:36:42 GMT -5
Meltzer is saying it's not much of a story because it was obvious at the time WWE did it for their own reasons rather than the far-fetched idea Goldberg randomly demanded he win the match.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 17, 2022 11:41:24 GMT -5
Yeah, WWE decided to change the result of the match. Goldberg didn't pull a 90s WCW Hogan.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 17, 2022 11:46:28 GMT -5
Strange story. I'm not a Goldberg fan, but I've never heard stories of him being a huge backstage-politician.
God, WWE has made a large portion of the worst booking decisions of the last 20 years.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 17, 2022 11:49:01 GMT -5
To put it another way: Goldberg absolutely did follow the script.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 17, 2022 11:56:13 GMT -5
Yeah I doubt anybody thought Bill asked for this, nor did anybody hold him personally responsible.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 17, 2022 12:05:27 GMT -5
Even at the time none of the actual credible sources ever said Goldberg refused to lose. Goldberg is hated by hardcore fans though so people were quite happy to run with that narrative.
Since returning he happily put over Brock, Undertaker, Braun, Drew and Roman. It seemed clear at the time they had him win simply because they thought Roman v Goldberg spear v spear would be the bigger match for Wrestlemania but obviously Covid happened, Roman went home and it didn't happen until 2 years later.
Goldberg/Roman would have been a fine attraction match if it wasn't for the title but in 2020 Goldberg had no business being world champion. The Fiend was a character that honestly shouldn't have been challenging for titles either though so I'm not sure what you do. In a non-Covid world with no firefly funhouse match Fiend v Cena in a regular match for the title would have been weird. Fiend in any actual wrestling match was hard to book. The character was around for a year or two and almost every match was garbage. Once you've established that he's supernatural and can take 40 chair and sledgehammer shots and get right back up or get set on fire and laugh it off it's a bit of a stretch seeing him sell regular moves.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 17, 2022 12:14:54 GMT -5
Going back to WCW, Goldberg always came off like he’ll do whatever as long as the check clears.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 12:16:49 GMT -5
Goldberg is a, uhhh... limited wrestler on the best of days. He also does just really weird and stupid shit like slamming his head into lockers.
There's also the whole "probably unsafe" thing.
That all being said, I have never, EVER heard of Bill Goldberg being a problem in terms of doing a job.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 17, 2022 12:19:54 GMT -5
Going back to WCW, Goldberg always came off like he’ll do whatever as long as the check clears. He pretty much says so Like basically in WCW he was a little more protective of his character after so many people was in his ear about what he should do but he said he stopped caring towards the end. Goldberg cares more about being a hero to kids |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 17, 2022 12:43:08 GMT -5
Going back to WCW, Goldberg always came off like he’ll do whatever as long as the check clears. He pretty much says so Like basically in WCW he was a little more protective of his character after so many people was in his ear about what he should do but he said he stopped caring towards the end. Goldberg cares more about being a hero to kids That's why I think if Goldberg came in at Wrestlemania X-8 and faced heel Austin. That would've been a great match. Goldberg wasn't broken down and Austin would still be his heel cheating ways. |
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 17, 2022 12:59:23 GMT -5
Going back to WCW, Goldberg always came off like he’ll do whatever as long as the check clears. Yeah, outside of Chris Jericho, I haven't heard anything else in this regard. |
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Post by Dub H on Jul 17, 2022 13:04:54 GMT -5
To put it another way: Goldberg absolutely did follow the script. Goldberg: Observe this, brother. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 17, 2022 13:09:33 GMT -5
He pretty much says so Like basically in WCW he was a little more protective of his character after so many people was in his ear about what he should do but he said he stopped caring towards the end. Goldberg cares more about being a hero to kids That's why I think if Goldberg came in at Wrestlemania X-8 and faced heel Austin. That would've been a great match. Goldberg wasn't broken down and Austin would still be his heel cheating ways. Canada always hated Goldberg (until his return when Toronto cheered him at SS 2016) so if that match happened at WM X-8 Goldberg would have been booed out the building and Austin would have been the hero despite being heel, just like Hogan was against Rock. That would have been a hell of a stacked card though if you had Rock-Hogan and Austin-Goldberg on the same show. |
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Post by robferatu on Jul 17, 2022 14:20:37 GMT -5
I can’t point to any precise stories or rumors (outside of the well-known Chris Jericho) situation, but I feel like I remember reading either in “The Death of WCW” or it coming up on Eric Bischoff’s podcast that during the peak of Goldbergmania in WCW that Bill had started to become too into his “character” and could be difficult to work with at times.
However, I also feel like it was a well known fact that the reason why WWE creative abruptly changed directions and went with Roman Reigns challenging Bill Goldberg for the WWE Universal Championship was due to the rating he popped and the initial crowd reaction for his return, as well has Vince McMahon wanting to promote his match against Reigns as “Spear vs. Spear”
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 17, 2022 14:25:55 GMT -5
I can’t point to any precise stories or rumors (outside of the well-known Chris Jericho) situation, but I feel like I remember reading either in “The Death of WCW” or it coming up on Eric Bischoff’s podcast that during the peak of Goldbergmania in WCW that Bill had started to become too into his “character” and could be difficult to work with at times. However, I also feel like it was a well known fact that the reason why WWE creative abruptly changed directions and went with Roman Reigns challenging Bill Goldberg for the WWE Universal Championship was due to the rating he popped and the initial crowd reaction for his return, as well has Vince McMahon wanting to promote his match against Reigns as “Spear vs. Spear” I was surprised to learn that was the case, I always just assumed creative felt the audience would turn on Roman less versus Goldberg than they would versus Fiend. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 17, 2022 14:32:02 GMT -5
I can’t point to any precise stories or rumors (outside of the well-known Chris Jericho) situation, but I feel like I remember reading either in “The Death of WCW” or it coming up on Eric Bischoff’s podcast that during the peak of Goldbergmania in WCW that Bill had started to become too into his “character” and could be difficult to work with at times. However, I also feel like it was a well known fact that the reason why WWE creative abruptly changed directions and went with Roman Reigns challenging Bill Goldberg for the WWE Universal Championship was due to the rating he popped and the initial crowd reaction for his return, as well has Vince McMahon wanting to promote his match against Reigns as “Spear vs. Spear” And even Bischoff has said the big issue with Goldberg was Hall and Hogan getting in his ear (though Bischoff did blame Nash for getting Goldberg his agent, he said Nash basically always told Goldberg main thing on wrestling was getting out with your money and your health) |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 17, 2022 14:37:54 GMT -5
I can’t point to any precise stories or rumors (outside of the well-known Chris Jericho) situation, but I feel like I remember reading either in “The Death of WCW” or it coming up on Eric Bischoff’s podcast that during the peak of Goldbergmania in WCW that Bill had started to become too into his “character” and could be difficult to work with at times. However, I also feel like it was a well known fact that the reason why WWE creative abruptly changed directions and went with Roman Reigns challenging Bill Goldberg for the WWE Universal Championship was due to the rating he popped and the initial crowd reaction for his return, as well has Vince McMahon wanting to promote his match against Reigns as “Spear vs. Spear” And even Bischoff has said the big issue with Goldberg was Hall and Hogan getting in his ear (though Bischoff did blame Nash for getting Goldberg his agent, he said Nash basically always told Goldberg main thing on wrestling was getting out with your money and your health) Which Nash was 100 percent correct about |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 17, 2022 14:38:36 GMT -5
He pretty much says so Like basically in WCW he was a little more protective of his character after so many people was in his ear about what he should do but he said he stopped caring towards the end. Goldberg cares more about being a hero to kids That's why I think if Goldberg came in at Wrestlemania X-8 and faced heel Austin. That would've been a great match. Goldberg wasn't broken down and Austin would still be his heel cheating ways. Austin mindset at that time was kinda f***ed I don't see a match with him and Goldberg happening |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 15:03:37 GMT -5
And even Bischoff has said the big issue with Goldberg was Hall and Hogan getting in his ear (though Bischoff did blame Nash for getting Goldberg his agent, he said Nash basically always told Goldberg main thing on wrestling was getting out with your money and your health) Which Nash was 100 percent correct about Yep. The longer time goes on, the more a lot of Big Sexy's thoughts on wrestling pan out and make sense. Maybe not "Vanilla Midgets"... but his ethos of "Work smarter, not harder" definitely does. |
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