Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Sept 20, 2022 11:33:47 GMT -5
I'm interested to see how far they dive into Lord Otto and Queen Alicent's relationship with the Citadel and the Faith of the Seven. There have been a lot of implications that they worked closely during these events but, I wonder if they'll explore how far that actually went. Remember, the citadel(where the Maester's train and study) is in Oldtown. The stewards of Oldtown? House Hightower.
If it's as far as some fans think, that could raise a lot interesting questions considering all of history and all correspondence in Westeros is controlled by the Maesters.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Sept 20, 2022 12:28:07 GMT -5
Going to put something in spoiler tags. It's not spoilery per se but it involves my feelings on certain characters which give an indication on where their actions may go from hereon out so that is the warning for any non book readers... {Spoiler}I am legitimately impressed with how the characters have been written thus far. Most of the changes from book to show haven't bothered me as a) they still make sense and b) we know that thr narrative in Fire and Blood is unreliable at best. I did hate the end of Ep 5 because I feel like that change of Cole just randomly exploding Joffrey's head in front of everyone should lead to immediate execution and the Kingsguard looked wholly incompetent at their inability to break it up - Ser Harwin excepted. Bur my main point is I am so impressed by the writing of the characters because I have a lot of friends watching this who have not read the books and all of them feel some sort of sympathy for Cole and Alicent, with some actively rooting for them. The fact that they've managed to illicit sympathy for characters as scummy as those two without altering the story all that much is testament to how much they've been able to flesh them out as characters.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 25, 2022 21:11:16 GMT -5
Every time I see Alicent:
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Sept 25, 2022 22:03:38 GMT -5
Does the source material jump around in time like this? The change in actresses kind of took me out of the story, to be honest.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 26, 2022 6:19:26 GMT -5
Does the source material jump around in time like this? The change in actresses kind of took me out of the story, to be honest. Yes. it was a series of novellas told in the third person that read less like a novel and more like a history text (intentionally- Fire and Blood and The World of Ice and Fire that the show pulls from are both in-universe history books) so it jumps forward in time. The conflict went almost 30 years all told.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Sept 26, 2022 10:20:24 GMT -5
Does the source material jump around in time like this? The change in actresses kind of took me out of the story, to be honest. Yes. it was a series of novellas told in the third person that read less like a novel and more like a history text (intentionally- Fire and Blood and The World of Ice and Fire that the show pulls from are both in-universe history books) so it jumps forward in time. The conflict went almost 30 years all told. And like how the War of the Five Kings was based off the Wars of the Roses, the Dance of the Dragons is based off The Anarchy, the transition from the House of Normandy to Plantagent, with Aegon being King Stephen and Rhaenerys being Empress Matilda.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Sept 26, 2022 12:49:42 GMT -5
I know there is probably more to come but, I’m not sure I’m big on them portraying Aegon the second as Joffrey 2.0.
I always got the impression he was Robert if he was born a Targaryen and a bit more spoiled. I guess he’s going to look like Ned Stark when we see his brother Aemond grown.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Sept 26, 2022 12:53:58 GMT -5
Does the source material jump around in time like this? The change in actresses kind of took me out of the story, to be honest. Yes. it was a series of novellas told in the third person that read less like a novel and more like a history text (intentionally- Fire and Blood and The World of Ice and Fire that the show pulls from are both in-universe history books) so it jumps forward in time. The conflict went almost 30 years all told. And the whole point of it was that the maesters who write the history are wrong or at least very biased in a lot of ways.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 26, 2022 12:59:23 GMT -5
Yes. it was a series of novellas told in the third person that read less like a novel and more like a history text (intentionally- Fire and Blood and The World of Ice and Fire that the show pulls from are both in-universe history books) so it jumps forward in time. The conflict went almost 30 years all told. And the whole point of it was that the maesters who write the history are wrong or at least very biased in a lot of ways. I for one am sad that Mushroom's insane version of events isn't the 100% true version
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Sept 26, 2022 13:05:10 GMT -5
And the whole point of it was that the maesters who write the history are wrong or at least very biased in a lot of ways. I for one am sad that Mushroom's insane version of events isn't the 100% true version But more true than we think. It’s been a while since I read them but, I don’t believe his insinuation that Alicent seducing Viserys before their marriage was taken seriously. Yet, that turned out to be true.
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Post by government mule on Sept 26, 2022 13:53:32 GMT -5
Ooo that Larys. I mean Varys. No wait, I was right, it was Larys. Interesting that they have the same type of character pulling strings behind the scenes even 100-200 years prior.
Also interesting that for the most part the main protagonist houses in HOTD aren't prominent in GOT, eg Hightower/Strong/Velaryon, even the Blackwood/Brackens for the most part. I know Cregan Stark will eventually turn up, and there's been an odd Tully here and a Baratheon there and a couple of Lannisters are knocking about, but they seem far from the Iron Throne currently.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 26, 2022 13:56:08 GMT -5
Ooo that Larys. I mean Varys. No wait, I was right, it was Larys. Interesting that they have the same type of character pulling strings behind the scenes even 100-200 years prior. Also interesting that for the most part the main protagonist houses in HOTD aren't prominent in GOT, eg Hightower/Strong/Velaryon, even the Blackwood/Brackens for the most part. I know Cregan Stark will eventually turn up, and there's been an odd Tully here and a Baratheon there and a couple of Lannisters are knocking about, but they seem far from the Iron Throne currently. Yeah the Starks actually have very little to do with the story until the very end. The only great houses that have a huge role in the story are the Lannisters and to a lesser extent the Arryns and Tullys.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 26, 2022 13:58:53 GMT -5
I keep trying to get into this show, but I dunno, I just haven't yet.
Like, with GoT, I was hooked immediately, but this one I just can't seem to care about any of these characters just yet.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 26, 2022 14:15:22 GMT -5
I keep trying to get into this show, but I dunno, I just haven't yet. Like, with GoT, I was hooked immediately, but this one I just can't seem to care about any of these characters just yet. I am really enjoying HotD, but I totally understand where you're coming from. Game of Thrones was always really good about having enough shades of gray with all of its characters, that there were people to root for throughout. HotD so far is like "Everybody Sucks Here: The Series." I am enjoying the story and the intrigue, but I do not have any clue who to root for. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} And to make it all worse, when they FINALLY had a couple of characters I felt like I could get behind, they were killed within the hour.
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Post by chronocross on Sept 26, 2022 14:15:36 GMT -5
The time jump took a bit to get used to but by the end of the episode I enjoyed it.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 26, 2022 19:43:06 GMT -5
Is it really that much bother to put a "10 years later" at the start of the episode?
Or even the year. I didnt enjoy the episode much until halfway in when they said "its been 10 years since..."
Then I could settle down and enjoy it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 26, 2022 19:51:10 GMT -5
Is it really that much bother to put a "10 years later" at the start of the episode? Or even the year. I didnt enjoy the episode much until halfway in when they said "its been 10 years since..." Then I could settle down and enjoy it. That has something that has been an issue since the beginning and I don't know why they just don't add a time stamp with as much they jump in time I guess I get they want you to pay attention and notice a natural passage of time but stuff like when the mom died(killed) in episode 1, I wouldn't have known it was 6 months after the fact when they were talking about Visrys marrying again
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 26, 2022 19:57:06 GMT -5
I know there is probably more to come but, I’m not sure I’m big on them portraying Aegon the second as Joffrey 2.0. I always got the impression he was Robert if he was born a Targaryen and a bit more spoiled. I guess he’s going to look like Ned Stark when we see his brother Aemond grown. In a sense tho I just look at him as a spoiled dumb ass teenager than just straight up evil like Joffrey. He is def spoiled by his mother and others as seen with way Cristyn and them treat him. Like he has no aspiration for the crown and is just enjoying the spoils of being a prince because no one will tell him no Tho I do think we are supposed to get Joffrey vibes off him just because you need an antagonist for the kids when they are innocent in the BS from the adults
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 26, 2022 20:00:56 GMT -5
Ooo that Larys. I mean Varys. No wait, I was right, it was Larys. Interesting that they have the same type of character pulling strings behind the scenes even 100-200 years prior. Also interesting that for the most part the main protagonist houses in HOTD aren't prominent in GOT, eg Hightower/Strong/Velaryon, even the Blackwood/Brackens for the most part. I know Cregan Stark will eventually turn up, and there's been an odd Tully here and a Baratheon there and a couple of Lannisters are knocking about, but they seem far from the Iron Throne currently. So if Otto is Middlefinger, can Larys be Littlefoot?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 26, 2022 20:19:21 GMT -5
I know there is probably more to come but, I’m not sure I’m big on them portraying Aegon the second as Joffrey 2.0. I always got the impression he was Robert if he was born a Targaryen and a bit more spoiled. I guess he’s going to look like Ned Stark when we see his brother Aemond grown. In a sense tho I just look at him as a spoiled dumb ass teenager than just straight up evil like Joffrey. He is def spoiled by his mother and others as seen with way Cristyn and them treat him. Like he has no aspiration for the crown and is just enjoying the spoils of being a prince because no one will tell him no Tho I do think we are supposed to get Joffrey vibes off him just because you need an antagonist for the kids when they are innocent in the BS from the adults If anything he's basically a puppet. The real f***er is his one eyed git of a brother.
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