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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 19:31:50 GMT -5
I want a robot fighting a vampire. Then you find out the robot was a clone of the vampire the whole time. Then they get married. It’s then interrupted by an alien who the vampire is a clone of.
This is the wrestling I want.
Yuta vs. Garcia isn’t it.
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Post by eJm on Jul 24, 2022 19:59:14 GMT -5
I want a robot fighting a vampire. Then you find out the robot was a clone of the vampire the whole time. Then they get married. It’s then interrupted by an alien who the vampire is a clone of. This is the wrestling I want. Yuta vs. Garcia isn’t it. And that’s all well and good, there’s likely room for both. Nobody in this discussion has been saying that there isn’t, just that Russo shouldn’t be the example people use because of his history of using it to be a racist, misogynistic turdface. Something the OP is ignoring for some reason.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 24, 2022 20:03:35 GMT -5
Russo is not a bad person imo Yes he is
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 26, 2022 5:19:20 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of what Vince Russo says. I know, that's extremely unpopular and everything. But I can't help it. I feel like he sees wrestling the way I do. As an entertainment TV show that should keep you guessing and wondering what's gonna happen next. WWE was at its best when he was writing for them. And he always found something for everyone to do. From Austin to Steve Blackman to Kai En Tai to Mosh. I am not going to get into his WCW stuff. Because I can't really justify some of those decisions... I can KINDA get where he's coming from when he says putting the title on David Arquette was a good decision, Marketing and popularity wise. I mean he WAS really hot around the time and seeing him hold the WCW Title alongside the likes of Courtney Cox and Kevin Costner was huge for WCW. They were failing in the ratings and they needed that publicity from the American media. Whether you like it or not, it got a LOT of people talking. As for himself winning the title? I got nothing. The only "positive" I can see is that they needed to do SOMETHING and to be fair, he did get Speared through the Cage. He didn't actually beat anybody. Whether you like him or not, I feel like he knows more than most people what "works" in terms of popularity and ratings. Most people won't agree with his takes because they're probably not politically correct in 2022 or whatever, but does that mean they STILL wouldn't work? His takes are basically "Nobody wants to watch regular guys who look like your neighbours. All of the titles are props to further the storylines. Nobody actually wins anything" - Is any of this REALLY wrong? Or is the reputation around him simply too heavy for people to really listen to him? Thoughts on his wrestling takes? Just as long as you don't agree with what he said about foreign wrestlers its a fine take to have. Russo with guidance can make decent TV but does it hold up for the most part? Id say outside of the main event level stuff nah. Plus I found Bret Hart vs America more compelling than the stuff he booked.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jul 26, 2022 14:54:20 GMT -5
I want a robot fighting a vampire. Then you find out the robot was a clone of the vampire the whole time. Then they get married. It’s then interrupted by an alien who the vampire is a clone of. This is the wrestling I want. Yuta vs. Garcia isn’t it. So, you want Titanes En El Ring? youtu.be/mRHpkqbLERI
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Post by beefy on Jul 26, 2022 18:22:32 GMT -5
I want a robot fighting a vampire. Then you find out the robot was a clone of the vampire the whole time. Then they get married. It’s then interrupted by an alien who the vampire is a clone of. This is the wrestling I want. Yuta vs. Garcia isn’t it. So you basically want Kaiju Big Battel.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jul 26, 2022 18:42:54 GMT -5
I've worked with bookers that I can imagine are like Russo without the budget. Dozens of ideas, one or two genius ones in there, but there's another dozen before you get to actually work the good ones
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jul 26, 2022 19:44:05 GMT -5
I prefer goofy, character story driven wrestling which is why I loved Lucha Underground.
What I don’t like is illogical, car crash, sexist, racist wrestling which is why I don’t like Vince Russos brand of writing
The original post also tries to kinda justify the Arquette decision by saying they needed something to generate ratings but then goes on go say that Russo knows what people want to see….Like if that was true then the ratings and interest in the product wouldn’t have resulted in him feeling the need to put the title on an actor for publicity
If you ignore certain parts of anyone in history you can justify their s*** but you can’t just pick and choose what parts till you want to fit a narrative
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Post by Fundertaker on Jul 27, 2022 4:54:06 GMT -5
I want a robot fighting a vampire. Then you find out the robot was a clone of the vampire the whole time. Then they get married. It’s then interrupted by an alien who the vampire is a clone of. This is the wrestling I want. Yuta vs. Garcia isn’t it. So you basically want Kaiju Big Battel. Kaiju Big Battel should be on everyone's TVs. Also a streaming service with all their shows would be much appreciated.
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Post by celtics543 on Jul 27, 2022 5:54:05 GMT -5
Russo wrote amazing first chapters. He got you hooked on a story but he didn't know how to finish them. His positives were his beginnings and that everyone was involved in something, no matter how insane it was.
His negatives have already been mentioned in this thread.
The negatives outweigh the positives.
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Post by salz4life on Jul 27, 2022 8:59:49 GMT -5
Now I never saw much of Russo's WCW run and very little of his TNA run. But his WWF run had one thing I did like. That was how he made sure that no matter where someone was on the card they had some kind of storyline going on. I feel the same way about him in this sense.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jul 27, 2022 12:47:19 GMT -5
Russo wrote amazing first chapters. He got you hooked on a story but he didn't know how to finish them. His positives were his beginnings and that everyone was involved in something, no matter how insane it was. I've already answered with my opinion but I want to chime in here... he may have had great ideas for "stories", but I feel at no time was "wrestling" ever going to be part of that story. I'm a wrestling fan who wants to see wrestling. Call me crazy, call me a dinosaur, call me an "old man yelling at a cloud"... I'm just a rasslin' fan.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 27, 2022 14:05:14 GMT -5
He knew how to blueprint a tv show and allocate time well. However, his ideas were too out there.
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Post by eJm on Jul 27, 2022 14:20:16 GMT -5
Russo wrote amazing first chapters. He got you hooked on a story but he didn't know how to finish them. His positives were his beginnings and that everyone was involved in something, no matter how insane it was. I've already answered with my opinion but I want to chime in here... he may have had great ideas for "stories", but I feel at no time was "wrestling" ever going to be part of that story. I'm a wrestling fan who wants to see wrestling. Call me crazy, call me a dinosaur, call me an "old man yelling at a cloud"... I'm just a rasslin' fan. I feel like an issue that some of the other side of the view have is that people think the “””””””””””Casual Fan“”””””””””” wants something like the thing they’re already watching like soaps or rom coms or dramas. The issue being that if those people want those things, they’re already watching those things and don’t want the worse version of those things. Like, sure, you can do it your own way but you need to actually do it your own way and remember the medium you’re in. You’re not Gray’s Anatomy, This is Us or Days of Our Lives, those already exist and they’d watch those over pro wrestling. And it’s not like they haven’t had those kind of people on staff. They had an Emmy award winner who wrote the best storyline during the pre-COVID era (Otis/Mandy Rose) and they fired her so…
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 14:23:26 GMT -5
I feel like this accidentally turned into a dunkfest on OP and I don't necessarily want to contribute to that.
But Russo does kinda suck, all at the same time. He's not a good a wrestling writer, and if I remember right, once stated that if he had it his way, the ring would be removed from everything. That's kind of a red flag for someone who's supposed to be booking a wrestling show.
You get rid of that, what are you left with? Childish, unfunny edgelord bullshit that WANTS to go after the lowest common denominator but is too inside and work-shooty to even do that right.
There's a reason why he's not worked with any major promotion in years.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 27, 2022 14:42:20 GMT -5
He knew how to blueprint a tv show and allocate time well. However, his ideas were too out there. Did he? Everyone that's ever worked with or above him has said that he needed a babysitter to do everything except think of ideas. Bischoff and Jarrett have straight up said the dude doesn't understand how to structure a story
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Post by eJm on Jul 27, 2022 14:46:33 GMT -5
He knew how to blueprint a tv show and allocate time well. However, his ideas were too out there. Did he? Everyone that's ever worked with or above him has said that he needed a babysitter to do everything except think of ideas. Bischoff and Jarrett have straight up said the dude doesn't understand how to structure a story There were WCW shows with 40 odd segments and most of them could have been cut extensively since they added nothing to the show. So I highly disagree with that notion.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 27, 2022 14:47:15 GMT -5
The one genuinely good bit of booking Russo did was Survivor Series 1998, and even then that was more due to the performances that night.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 27, 2022 14:55:52 GMT -5
Dude was heavily filtered while in the WWE. WCW and TNA are a better example of his writing and, yeah, dude's writing is terrible AF. People get annoyed at meta stuff today but this is nothing to the crap he put forward in WCW and TNA.
Though I will always be more a pure wrestling kind of guy, so I never cared as much about Right to Censor or The Godfather as much as I cared about watching the cruiserweight division put on bangers night in and night out. So I don't have much of a attachment to that kind of stuff.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 27, 2022 15:05:51 GMT -5
I'll be honest, this feels like the least surprising confession ever. It'd be like if I admitted that I love Southpaw Regional Wrestling. And also, if Russo's logic is so successful...why didn't it work anywhere else he worked? Because by that logic, TNA should be the biggest company in the world. The most charitably I can say is this : He was a man for a specific time and a specific place. And it wasn't a very long time. He is 100% stuck in like Mid-1997 Now I never saw much of Russo's WCW run and very little of his TNA run. But his WWF run had one thing I did like. That was how he made sure that no matter where someone was on the card they had some kind of storyline going on. I've seen this said many times over the years, and my response to it has always been that yes, he made sure everyone had something to do; the problem is that most of what he gave them was shit, and a lot of those people probably would have been better off if he'd just not given them anything. Yeah, sometimes nothing is better than absolute garbage... absolute garbage gimmicks CAN and has killed careers. That is almost 100% the type of ideas Russo had for people... Russo has had multiple promotions to prove that he was the true genius behind the attitude era... and pretty much killed the promotion every single time. WCW, TNA, His own weird Jesus wrestling camp... etc. etc. every single one of them was worse off after Russo came in. He doesn't know what people wanted to see if he did, these promotions would have thrived instead of seeing their popularity fall off a cliff Not to mention He never admits anything he did anything wrong it's literally always someone else's fault. that's not even getting into his sexist and racist opinions.
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