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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Jul 25, 2022 3:31:31 GMT -5
More like post-Hell in A Cell 2012 Ryback. Dude was white hot with the crowds and the IWC until that baloon got popped in the match against Punk. He was still pretty over, then he kept losing. Then he got turned heel. Then he was face again, over as f*** again, won the IC title.... then lost it. Kept losing, turned heel and was de-pushed. I'll never understand it. |
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Post by Sparvid on Jul 25, 2022 3:55:06 GMT -5
Did anyone ever care about 2007 bald Snitsky?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 25, 2022 3:57:49 GMT -5
More like post-Hell in A Cell 2012 Ryback. Dude was white hot with the crowds and the IWC until that baloon got popped in the match against Punk. Roman was over as hell at a time before his big push, too, same with Diesel. That's not a disqualifying factor for this thread, I think, just the failure to stick the landing. |
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jul 25, 2022 5:11:42 GMT -5
I'll defend Riley and say that after his initial match with the Miz he was getting big reactions still. The issue was this was in the height of Zack Ryder's popularity and his online campaign to get a US title shot. So when Riley challenged Dolph he was pretty much rejected for not being Ryder (which happened a lot back then) I dunno if I'd say one of his biggest fails but I think it's very easy to forget during the original NXT and during the Nexus storyline they were really trying to get over Otunga as a legit star because he was married to Jennifer Hudson and even set him up to be Starscream to Wade Barrett but the crowd just never cared. You've got Jinder for sure. I'll actually argue the Total Divas push. Not that the show was a failure but when the show started they tried a Divas vs Total Divas angle and for a lot of it they acted as if the crowd and fans watched Total Divas which led to a lot of confusion in promos I think a lot of faith in Riley was lost when... HE BOTCHED STAYING IN THE RING at the Royal Rumble messing up the setup for one of the main events... So did Stone Cold |
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Post by peaches1 on Jul 25, 2022 5:26:47 GMT -5
Jinder. His title reign didn't even make it to the India tour his push was supposed to boost ticket sales for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 6:13:16 GMT -5
Did anyone ever care about 2007 bald Snitsky? Pfft! No. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 25, 2022 6:21:59 GMT -5
Jinder. His title reign didn't even make it to the India tour his push was supposed to boost ticket sales for. It really did show how shallow WWE's understanding was of the market they were trying to appeal to that their bid to impress predominately Hindu Indians was a Canadian Sikh. From what I recall hearing, he did still get a polite welcome, but it also didn't sound like they were especially crestfallen that Triple H beat him on the tour. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 25, 2022 8:07:12 GMT -5
"Made in USA" Lex Luger, but that was partially because of how SummerSlam 1993 went. It was obvious he wasn't the star to the level Vince wanted by Royal Rumble 1994. He was absolutely ready at Summerslam 93... Vince just for some reason decided to try and push his luck without like making an ending that worked... Either Lex should have been MAD at winning by Count-out and not celebrating like a goof, or you end it in some sorta double dq schmozz (which even then likely wouldn't work but maybe have Luger bodyslam Yoko or something post match to send the fans home happy) where Luger is pissed that he lost his one and only opportunity for a title shot per Cornette's contract tampering. I think people really overlook what a big what-if moment Luger winning the title at Summerslam actually is for not only Luger's career trajectory but for WWF and by proxy WCW. What does WWF in 94 look like with Luger as champ at least headed into Mania 10? Does he stick around the ME scene after he drops the title whenever that is? Does he still go to WCW in Fall of 95? |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 25, 2022 8:23:20 GMT -5
Jinder. His title reign didn't even make it to the India tour his push was supposed to boost ticket sales for. It really did show how shallow WWE's understanding was of the market they were trying to appeal to that their bid to impress predominately Hindu Indians was a Canadian Sikh. From what I recall hearing, he did still get a polite welcome, but it also didn't sound like they were especially crestfallen that Triple H beat him on the tour. it didnt help that his foreign language promos were spoken in Punjabi, which is NOT a majority language in India. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 25, 2022 9:15:02 GMT -5
More like post-Hell in A Cell 2012 Ryback. Dude was white hot with the crowds and the IWC until that baloon got popped in the match against Punk. He was still pretty over, then he kept losing. Then he got turned heel. Then he was face again, over as f*** again, won the IC title.... then lost it. Kept losing, turned heel and was de-pushed. I'll never understand it. Look at how he's acted since his release, I would not be shocked if it turned out word got to Vince that he was both nuts and a huge pain in the ass to deal with. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 25, 2022 9:18:29 GMT -5
More like post-Hell in A Cell 2012 Ryback. Dude was white hot with the crowds and the IWC until that baloon got popped in the match against Punk. He was still pretty over, then he kept losing. Then he got turned heel. Then he was face again, over as f*** again, won the IC title.... then lost it. Kept losing, turned heel and was de-pushed. I'll never understand it. What's nuts is that they actually managed to have him turn face and acknowledge why he was acting like a jackass for so long before booking him like garbage shortly thereafter |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 25, 2022 10:29:11 GMT -5
I want to say Lars Sullivan, mainly because they didnt check his online background. Which seemed to bubble up and get worse every time they decided to put him on tv or attempted to.
they were determined to push him as a monster heel only for him to become too toxic a name for them to push or employ.
but it's also unfair to say his push was the biggest failed push as it really looks like someone out there had an axe to grind whenever his name came up and did everything they could to sabotage him whenever they got the chance.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 25, 2022 10:34:18 GMT -5
Babyface Roman Reigns was an utter disaster and a complete flop. Around 6 years were wasted fighting the fans on it. It really was awful. Just keep pushing against the tide hopelessly |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 25, 2022 10:35:00 GMT -5
He was still pretty over, then he kept losing. Then he got turned heel. Then he was face again, over as f*** again, won the IC title.... then lost it. Kept losing, turned heel and was de-pushed. I'll never understand it. Look at how he's acted since his release, I would not be shocked if it turned out word got to Vince that he was both nuts and a huge pain in the ass to deal with. oh absolutely, that behavior didn't just spring out of a vacuum after he got fired. he wanted to take six months off paid to learn MMA and come back and squash Brock. dude has always been kinda delusional. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jul 25, 2022 10:36:43 GMT -5
I honestly think, in a lot of ways, 1996-1997 Shawn Michaels is the most abject failure Vince ever had. He was pegged as the guy to carry the company out of its worst commercial period of all time, and into a new era. The rocket was strapped to his back as a "company selected" guy to an extent that we wouldn't really see again until Roman Reigns almost 20 years later, and the company put all of its proverbial eggs into that basket so strongly that it was willing to burn bridges with its then-biggest star, Bret Hart. And the fans, by and large, outright rejected babyface Shawn Michaels. And on top of that, he was so out of control backstage, that his antics started causing problems on-screen and he really couldn't carry the company on his back.
Obviously, it was all salvaged to an extent by parlaying it into the DX angle, but could you imagine how bad things may have gotten for the WWF if Austin hadn't organically gotten himself over as an anti-authoritarian anti-hero at the exact same time? I've been going back and watching Reliving the War on the WrestlingBios YouTube channel and that whole thing is even worse than I'd remembered it being. By the time of SummerSlam 97 and the Screwjob, the WWF just outright did not have a top babyface, primarily because of how things played out with Shawn's push over the last year. When you consider how WWF is generally booked, being left in the position of not having a top babyface is a pretty huge failure, and almost certainly not what Vince wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 12:57:48 GMT -5
He was still pretty over, then he kept losing. Then he got turned heel. Then he was face again, over as f*** again, won the IC title.... then lost it. Kept losing, turned heel and was de-pushed. I'll never understand it. Look at how he's acted since his release, I would not be shocked if it turned out word got to Vince that he was both nuts and a huge pain in the ass to deal with. Agreed, f*** Ryback. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jul 25, 2022 12:58:25 GMT -5
Tensai? Was that a Vince creation/project?
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jul 25, 2022 14:27:32 GMT -5
I'll defend Riley and say that after his initial match with the Miz he was getting big reactions still. The issue was this was in the height of Zack Ryder's popularity and his online campaign to get a US title shot. So when Riley challenged Dolph he was pretty much rejected for not being Ryder (which happened a lot back then) I dunno if I'd say one of his biggest fails but I think it's very easy to forget during the original NXT and during the Nexus storyline they were really trying to get over Otunga as a legit star because he was married to Jennifer Hudson and even set him up to be Starscream to Wade Barrett but the crowd just never cared. You've got Jinder for sure. I'll actually argue the Total Divas push. Not that the show was a failure but when the show started they tried a Divas vs Total Divas angle and for a lot of it they acted as if the crowd and fans watched Total Divas which led to a lot of confusion in promos I think a lot of faith in Riley was lost when... HE BOTCHED STAYING IN THE RING at the Royal Rumble messing up the setup for one of the main events... Yeah, wasn't really commenting on if he was good or not, though personally I have a soft spot for him, just saying that the dude was indeed over. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 25, 2022 14:36:08 GMT -5
I think a lot of faith in Riley was lost when... HE BOTCHED STAYING IN THE RING at the Royal Rumble messing up the setup for one of the main events... Yeah, wasn't really commenting on if he was good or not, though personally I have a soft spot for him, just saying that the dude was indeed over. Apparently Riley's downfall started when he got into some kind of backstage altercation with Cena. Went from getting a decent midcard push coming out of the Miz split to being buried and jobbed out relentlessly. I think he might have went like six months or something like that without winning a match. I don't the guy would've been a main eventer but I think he could've been a good upper midcard face for them. He wasn't a great worker but he had a good look and he was decently over. Also he had one of the greatest theme songs ever. That song especially the intro just screamed main event superstar babyface. And at the end of the day it ended up being wasted on guy who ended up becoming a jobber. |
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Jul 25, 2022 16:49:25 GMT -5
I honestly think, in a lot of ways, 1996-1997 Shawn Michaels is the most abject failure Vince ever had. He was pegged as the guy to carry the company out of its worst commercial period of all time, and into a new era. The rocket was strapped to his back as a "company selected" guy to an extent that we wouldn't really see again until Roman Reigns almost 20 years later, and the company put all of its proverbial eggs into that basket so strongly that it was willing to burn bridges with its then-biggest star, Bret Hart. And the fans, by and large, outright rejected babyface Shawn Michaels. And on top of that, he was so out of control backstage, that his antics started causing problems on-screen and he really couldn't carry the company on his back. Obviously, it was all salvaged to an extent by parlaying it into the DX angle, but could you imagine how bad things may have gotten for the WWF if Austin hadn't organically gotten himself over as an anti-authoritarian anti-hero at the exact same time? I've been going back and watching Reliving the War on the WrestlingBios YouTube channel and that whole thing is even worse than I'd remembered it being. By the time of SummerSlam 97 and the Screwjob, the WWF just outright did not have a top babyface, primarily because of how things played out with Shawn's push over the last year. When you consider how WWF is generally booked, being left in the position of not having a top babyface is a pretty huge failure, and almost certainly not what Vince wanted. Yea, everytime I see people say "Cena and Reigns were so forced" I just chuckle. HBK is still, to this day, the most over pushed, forced down the throats, bs ever. The fans REJECTED it hard-core and it didn't draw a f***ing dime. |
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