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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jul 25, 2022 16:51:33 GMT -5
Did anyone ever care about 2007 bald Snitsky? I've rewatched a whole bunch of 07 RAW lately and bald Snitsky seriously gets the least reception I've ever heard in my life. You can literally hear background noise it's so quiet.
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Post by Andew9001 on Jul 25, 2022 17:19:17 GMT -5
Original face preachers New Day. Them not getting over supposedly made him acknowledge that he was out of touch.
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Post by khali on Jul 25, 2022 17:29:55 GMT -5
Another interesting question is what was his first big failed push? I’m thinking back through the 80s and no major ones there come to mind.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 25, 2022 17:44:28 GMT -5
Another interesting question is what was his first big failed push? I’m thinking back through the 80s and no major ones there come to mind. Maybe Bam Bam Bigelow when he debuted as a face in 1987. He came in with a lot of hype with the whole Battle For Bam angle and was given a big push but was out of the company within a year. I don't if would be would be classified as big but Tugboat I guess would be an example of a rare failed push during hhat era. They had Hogan give him the rub so they clearly had plans for him. However he didn't get over and they clearly had given up on him after about five or six months with them then turning him heel. Vince definitely did have a very high batting average in the 80's though. Hogan, Warrior, and Savage were huge successes and the even other pushed guys who weren't maybe tippy top guys were still very over and super memorable. Million Dollar Man, Big Boss Man, Jake The Snake, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Brutus The Barber, Honky Tonk Man, Ravishing Rick Rude, Mr. Perfect.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 25, 2022 17:53:49 GMT -5
Another interesting question is what was his first big failed push? I’m thinking back through the 80s and no major ones there come to mind. Maybe Bam Bam Bigelow when he debuted as a face in 1987. He came in with a lot of hype with the whole Battle For Bam angle and was given a big push but was out of the company within a year. I don't if would be would be classified as big but Tugboat I guess would be an example of a rare failed push during hhat era. They had Hogan give him the rub so they clearly had plans for him. However he didn't get over and they clearly had given up on him after about five or six months with them then turning him heel. Vince definitely did have a very high batting average in the 80's though. Hogan, Warrior, and Savage were huge successes and the even other pushed guys who weren't maybe tippy top guys were still very over and super memorable. Million Dollar Man, Big Boss Man, Jake The Snake, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Brutus The Barber, Honky Tonk Man, Ravishing Rick Rude, Mr. Perfect. This could partially be considered an early failure of Vince. At least, the FACE version of him. They even had promos of Hogan promoting Honky Tonk Man, but the fans just didn't take it. Luckily at the time he wasn't as stubborn, so he turned Honky heel.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 25, 2022 19:38:24 GMT -5
Did anyone ever care about 2007 bald Snitsky? I've rewatched a whole bunch of 07 RAW lately and bald Snitsky seriously gets the least reception I've ever heard in my life. You can literally hear background noise it's so quiet. It's basically like they stripped everything that was kind of fun about him previously. Stephanie liked his over the top promo delivery, apparently, since it made her think of old school wrestlers, so now let's get rid of any promos. Also, let's shave his hair off and make his teeth brown for some reason. Like was that supposed to make him more intimidating? He was already a big tall guy, just... use him the same way you already were, really.
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Post by DoubleDare on Jul 25, 2022 19:39:54 GMT -5
Another interesting question is what was his first big failed push? I’m thinking back through the 80s and no major ones there come to mind. Corporal Kirchner seems like he could be, basically the store brand version of Sgt Slaughter since Slaughter wasn't there.
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Post by DichEvans on Jul 25, 2022 21:40:51 GMT -5
Did anyone ever care about 2007 bald Snitsky? I've rewatched a whole bunch of 07 RAW lately and bald Snitsky seriously gets the least reception I've ever heard in my life. You can literally hear background noise it's so quiet. cmon, its not his fault
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on Jul 25, 2022 21:52:40 GMT -5
Another interesting question is what was his first big failed push? I’m thinking back through the 80s and no major ones there come to mind. Corporal Kirchner seems like he could be, basically the store brand version of Sgt Slaughter since Slaughter wasn't there. Similarly, Sivi Afi. Tom Magee and Outback Jack also spring to mind. Not exactly big failures, though. McMahon was more exacting on who received a main event push, pretty much until the New Generation when he started throwing mud at the wall, so the biggest failed pushes are really from '94 onwards.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 25, 2022 22:47:15 GMT -5
Maybe Bam Bam Bigelow when he debuted as a face in 1987. He came in with a lot of hype with the whole Battle For Bam angle and was given a big push but was out of the company within a year. I don't if would be would be classified as big but Tugboat I guess would be an example of a rare failed push during hhat era. They had Hogan give him the rub so they clearly had plans for him. However he didn't get over and they clearly had given up on him after about five or six months with them then turning him heel. Vince definitely did have a very high batting average in the 80's though. Hogan, Warrior, and Savage were huge successes and the even other pushed guys who weren't maybe tippy top guys were still very over and super memorable. Million Dollar Man, Big Boss Man, Jake The Snake, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Brutus The Barber, Honky Tonk Man, Ravishing Rick Rude, Mr. Perfect. This could partially be considered an early failure of Vince. At least, the FACE version of him. They even had promos of Hogan promoting Honky Tonk Man, but the fans just didn't take it. Luckily at the time he wasn't as stubborn, so he turned Honky heel. However he was smart enough to realize it wasn't working and quickly made an adjustment. It's hard to say I guess. Thinking he was going to get over as a face was a fail on his part but he was able to turn a negative into a big positive as HTM was probably his most over heel for a decent big so in that regard it ended up being a big win for him.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 25, 2022 22:52:15 GMT -5
Corporal Kirchner seems like he could be, basically the store brand version of Sgt Slaughter since Slaughter wasn't there. Similarly, Sivi Afi. Tom Magee and Outback Jack also spring to mind. Not exactly big failures, though. McMahon was more exacting on who received a main event push, pretty much until the New Generation when he started throwing mud at the wall, so the biggest failed pushes are really from '94 onwards. With those guys it's hard to say though as they pulled the plug on them so quickly. Or in Magee's case were never really plugged in at all as he never made TV. Kirschner was eating pins only a few months after debuting back when all name guys were heavily protected and almost never did jobs on TV. Same thing with Outback Jack who had a lot of vignettes but then was a TV enhancement guy within a few months. Afi really wasn't pushed at all. So it's hard to say if it was a case of Vince thinking they were big stars since they became afterthoughts so quick. So who knows if Vince had high hopes for them and then realized they sucked and made them jobbers or if Vince just never really had much planned for them to begin with.
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Post by J. Hova on Jul 26, 2022 17:52:55 GMT -5
Three pages in and no one mentions Ahmed Johnson or Ultimate Warrior?
Ahmed couldn't stay healthy, hurt other people, and if someone can tell me what language he was speaking in his promos, I'd appreciate it. They tried to strap the rocket to him multiple times but he just couldn't get out of his own way.
Warrior drew money when he had someone to dance with, I'll give him that. He sold a lot of wrestling buddies. He was supposed to be the Hogan of the 90s and was gone from Summerslam 91 to WM8, was part of the title match at Summer Slam 92 but had so much faith in him that they kept Flair in their back pocket in case Warrior went all Warrior, he was gone from Nov 92 to March 96, gone again from June 96 on. Hogan made more money for them in one year than Warrior did his entire career.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jul 27, 2022 10:18:37 GMT -5
Any attempts made to push Billy Gunn as a singles competitior never really went anywhere.
Bobby Lashley was heavily pushed during his original WWE run but it never seemed to Garner the reactions they were hoping for.
The attempt to make King Mabel a main eventer was pretty much a flop.. Doesn't help when you injure your opponent.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 27, 2022 10:24:44 GMT -5
Bobby Lashley was heavily pushed during his original WWE run but it never seemed to Garner the reactions they were hoping for. I think if he didn't have that ECW run, which kinda soured a portion of the base on him (mostly because it was in the early days of WWE ECW where we were still hoping they'd respect classic ECW before it turned into the post game-show NXT prototype). Even with that though there seemed to be interest in him before he was dropped, like with the Great American Bash 07 match against Cena.
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