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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 24, 2022 17:59:29 GMT -5
Who were guys that Vince and mostly Vince was high on, but they completely flopped?
The crowd never got them, yet Vince still brought them out each week desperately trying to see if THIS was the week they got over?
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Jul 24, 2022 18:14:00 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre’s first run in the WWE, and (if rumors were true), Alex Riley
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 24, 2022 18:15:33 GMT -5
In the most literal sense of the expression: Giant Gonzalez
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Post by spagett on Jul 24, 2022 18:16:17 GMT -5
Babyface Roman Reigns was an utter disaster and a complete flop.
Around 6 years were wasted fighting the fans on it.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jul 24, 2022 18:17:34 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre’s first run in the WWE, and (if rumors were true), Alex Riley Idk about Riley. People forget that after the Miz split the guy was actually over. Not like TURBO over, but he got a reaction, and his push didn't really match that reaction. So if anything I'd say the opposite is true of Riley.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 24, 2022 18:18:18 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre’s first run in the WWE, and (if rumors were true), Alex Riley Idk about Riley. People forget that after the Miz split the guy was actually over. Not like TURBO over, but he got a reaction, and his push didn't really match that reaction. So if anything I'd say the opposite is true of Riley. He did indeed. Seems Miz always creates characters fans are ready to cheer after Miz turns on them.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 24, 2022 18:38:38 GMT -5
Diesel!
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Post by saneiac on Jul 24, 2022 19:00:18 GMT -5
Vladimir Kozlov in the main event was 100% rejected by the fans.
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Post by DoubleDare on Jul 24, 2022 20:43:11 GMT -5
Ryback
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 24, 2022 20:45:31 GMT -5
"Made in USA" Lex Luger, but that was partially because of how SummerSlam 1993 went.
It was obvious he wasn't the star to the level Vince wanted by Royal Rumble 1994.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 24, 2022 20:48:48 GMT -5
"Made in USA" Lex Luger, but that was partially because of how SummerSlam 1993 went. It was obvious he wasn't the star to the level Vince wanted by Royal Rumble 1994. He was absolutely ready at Summerslam 93... Vince just for some reason decided to try and push his luck without like making an ending that worked... Either Lex should have been MAD at winning by Count-out and not celebrating like a goof, or you end it in some sorta double dq schmozz (which even then likely wouldn't work but maybe have Luger bodyslam Yoko or something post match to send the fans home happy) where Luger is pissed that he lost his one and only opportunity for a title shot per Cornette's contract tampering.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 24, 2022 20:50:08 GMT -5
Randy Orton's original face turn...
basically any time they've tried to turn Miz into a main event Face...
Jinder Mahal proving you can't just stick a career jobber into a main event position and have the crowd go along with it.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 24, 2022 20:53:23 GMT -5
"Made in USA" Lex Luger, but that was partially because of how SummerSlam 1993 went. It was obvious he wasn't the star to the level Vince wanted by Royal Rumble 1994. He was absolutely ready at Summerslam 93... Vince just for some reason decided to try and push his luck without like making an ending that worked... That was a problem with Luger in NWA/WCW before he went to WWF too. I mean, if you think about it, the only reason he got the WCW title in the first place was because Flair left the company. Every other time, even if he was seen as ready, something happened to keep him from actually being given the go ahead as champion. And even when he was he was turned heel.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 24, 2022 21:59:23 GMT -5
The issue with Luger was the timing. Had he not challenged Yokozuna at Summerslam, but the rest of his story largely played out the same going into the 1994 Royal Rumble, he might have people wanting to him to finally challenge for come Mania.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 24, 2022 22:16:09 GMT -5
Lex
You don't turn a guy into a super patriot, then have him win by count out.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 24, 2022 22:16:37 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre’s first run in the WWE, and (if rumors were true), Alex Riley Idk about Riley. People forget that after the Miz split the guy was actually over. Not like TURBO over, but he got a reaction, and his push didn't really match that reaction. So if anything I'd say the opposite is true of Riley. I'll defend Riley and say that after his initial match with the Miz he was getting big reactions still. The issue was this was in the height of Zack Ryder's popularity and his online campaign to get a US title shot. So when Riley challenged Dolph he was pretty much rejected for not being Ryder (which happened a lot back then) I dunno if I'd say one of his biggest fails but I think it's very easy to forget during the original NXT and during the Nexus storyline they were really trying to get over Otunga as a legit star because he was married to Jennifer Hudson and even set him up to be Starscream to Wade Barrett but the crowd just never cared. You've got Jinder for sure. I'll actually argue the Total Divas push. Not that the show was a failure but when the show started they tried a Divas vs Total Divas angle and for a lot of it they acted as if the crowd and fans watched Total Divas which led to a lot of confusion in promos
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 25, 2022 0:14:32 GMT -5
Idk about Riley. People forget that after the Miz split the guy was actually over. Not like TURBO over, but he got a reaction, and his push didn't really match that reaction. So if anything I'd say the opposite is true of Riley. I'll defend Riley and say that after his initial match with the Miz he was getting big reactions still. The issue was this was in the height of Zack Ryder's popularity and his online campaign to get a US title shot. So when Riley challenged Dolph he was pretty much rejected for not being Ryder (which happened a lot back then) I dunno if I'd say one of his biggest fails but I think it's very easy to forget during the original NXT and during the Nexus storyline they were really trying to get over Otunga as a legit star because he was married to Jennifer Hudson and even set him up to be Starscream to Wade Barrett but the crowd just never cared. You've got Jinder for sure. I'll actually argue the Total Divas push. Not that the show was a failure but when the show started they tried a Divas vs Total Divas angle and for a lot of it they acted as if the crowd and fans watched Total Divas which led to a lot of confusion in promos I think a lot of faith in Riley was lost when... HE BOTCHED STAYING IN THE RING at the Royal Rumble messing up the setup for one of the main events...
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 25, 2022 0:23:53 GMT -5
I'll defend Riley and say that after his initial match with the Miz he was getting big reactions still. The issue was this was in the height of Zack Ryder's popularity and his online campaign to get a US title shot. So when Riley challenged Dolph he was pretty much rejected for not being Ryder (which happened a lot back then) I dunno if I'd say one of his biggest fails but I think it's very easy to forget during the original NXT and during the Nexus storyline they were really trying to get over Otunga as a legit star because he was married to Jennifer Hudson and even set him up to be Starscream to Wade Barrett but the crowd just never cared. You've got Jinder for sure. I'll actually argue the Total Divas push. Not that the show was a failure but when the show started they tried a Divas vs Total Divas angle and for a lot of it they acted as if the crowd and fans watched Total Divas which led to a lot of confusion in promos I think a lot of faith in Riley was lost when... HE BOTCHED STAYING IN THE RING at the Royal Rumble messing up the setup for one of the main events... Eh, that was before his face turn, so it may not have hurt as much. I mean, Austin in the 1996 Rumble (when he was still The Ringmaster) had the same thing happen to him and he was supposed to be one of the final four too. He turned out all right in the end.
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Post by thechase on Jul 25, 2022 2:27:30 GMT -5
More like post-Hell in A Cell 2012 Ryback. Dude was white hot with the crowds and the IWC until that baloon got popped in the match against Punk.
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Post by bluebeach25 on Jul 25, 2022 2:50:30 GMT -5
I'll defend Riley and say that after his initial match with the Miz he was getting big reactions still. The issue was this was in the height of Zack Ryder's popularity and his online campaign to get a US title shot. So when Riley challenged Dolph he was pretty much rejected for not being Ryder (which happened a lot back then) I dunno if I'd say one of his biggest fails but I think it's very easy to forget during the original NXT and during the Nexus storyline they were really trying to get over Otunga as a legit star because he was married to Jennifer Hudson and even set him up to be Starscream to Wade Barrett but the crowd just never cared. You've got Jinder for sure. I'll actually argue the Total Divas push. Not that the show was a failure but when the show started they tried a Divas vs Total Divas angle and for a lot of it they acted as if the crowd and fans watched Total Divas which led to a lot of confusion in promos I think a lot of faith in Riley was lost when... HE BOTCHED STAYING IN THE RING at the Royal Rumble messing up the setup for one of the main events... I doubt that the Rumble botch was the reason Riley never went anywhere. The beef with Cena was the main reason.
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