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Post by hijuko on Jul 30, 2022 10:06:34 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar : Left in 2004, returned in 2012 to be part-timer, end the streak and becoming the strongest of the roster and World Champion for most of the rest of his career.
The Rock : Left in 2003, returned in 2011 to beat Cena at WrestleMania 28 and deprive CM Punk who had a fantastic reign of a WrestleMania Main Event that he dreamed.
Batista : Left in 2010, returned in 2014, winning the Rumble and first, steals the place of Daniel Bryan who while Batista was in Hollywood, worked like crazy for the federation, in the Main Event of WrestleMania.
Goldberg : Left in 2004 after only 1 year to the company, returned in 2016 to beat Lesnar and to bury Kevin Owens and The Fiend for becoming Universal Champion.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 30, 2022 10:10:38 GMT -5
Well, those guys you mentioned are super big stars and Legends
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 30, 2022 10:12:22 GMT -5
Of those examples, and I'll even toss Cody Rhodes in there, all of them made themselves into bigger stars outside of a WWE ring, and thus became special attractions.
Aside from Cody, Rock/Brock/Batista all came back with crossover appeal, meaning they had the potential of bringing in(or bringing back) fans that weren't into the WWE product at the time.
Goldberg on the other hand; WWE loves nostalgia dollars.
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Post by hijuko on Jul 30, 2022 10:18:34 GMT -5
Of those examples, and I'll even toss Cody Rhodes in there, all of them made themselves into bigger stars outside of a WWE ring, and thus became special attractions. Aside from Cody, Rock/Brock/Batista all came back with crossover appeal, meaning they had the potential of bringing in(or bringing back) fans that weren't into the WWE product at the time. Goldberg on the other hand; WWE loves nostalgia dollars. Cody had wrestled in NJPW and AEW in the meantime while the others that I quoted had abandoned the world of wrestling. |
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jul 30, 2022 10:21:02 GMT -5
Of those examples, and I'll even toss Cody Rhodes in there, all of them made themselves into bigger stars outside of a WWE ring, and thus became special attractions. Aside from Cody, Rock/Brock/Batista all came back with crossover appeal, meaning they had the potential of bringing in(or bringing back) fans that weren't into the WWE product at the time. Goldberg on the other hand; WWE loves nostalgia dollars. Cody had wrestled in NJPW and AEW in the meantime while the others that I quoted had abandoned the world of wrestling. Yes, and all had crossover appeal that WWE tried to benefit from. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 30, 2022 10:24:58 GMT -5
Cody had wrestled in NJPW and AEW in the meantime while the others that I quoted had abandoned the world of wrestling. Yes, and all had crossover appeal that WWE tried to benefit from. Yea they all left and came back bigger then they were before Batista was just about to take off in Hollywood Tho that whole opening sounds like picking a bone when you use "bury" and "deprive" |
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 30, 2022 10:33:35 GMT -5
Meltzer has stated that getting certain talents to come back (especially ones that bashed the company and/or worked for the competition) was something of a point of accomplishment for Vince, either because it demonstrated WWE's reach or because it illustrated his ability as a businessman to get formerly uninterested talents wanting to come back in some way.
Savage is one of the few exceptions, and much of that is said to be rooted in Vince once being very close to him and thus took Randy rejecting the latter's offer of a legend role very personally.
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Post by hijuko on Jul 30, 2022 10:35:29 GMT -5
Yes, and all had crossover appeal that WWE tried to benefit from. Yea they all left and came back bigger then they were before Batista was just about to take off in Hollywood Tho that whole opening sounds like picking a bone when you use "bury" and "deprive" That does not prevent that it is not normal that guys who are barred and who come back just for the money refused to push the current talents. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 30, 2022 11:01:50 GMT -5
Yea they all left and came back bigger then they were before Batista was just about to take off in Hollywood Tho that whole opening sounds like picking a bone when you use "bury" and "deprive" That does not prevent that it is not normal that guys who are barred and who come back just for the money refused to push the current talents. Except Rock put over Cena, Brock eventually put over talent, Batista put over DB and The Shield (and he was the one who told them to make him heel and WWE didn't listen) and Goldberg has lost matches to current talent Saying they came back just for the money isn't the full story when they were bigger stars and didn't need it. Brock is the only example of them being ignorant of putting talent over and it is not that he wouldn't (sans not wanting to do spots for Mox) |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 30, 2022 11:08:46 GMT -5
Yea they all left and came back bigger then they were before Batista was just about to take off in Hollywood Tho that whole opening sounds like picking a bone when you use "bury" and "deprive" That does not prevent that it is not normal that guys who are barred and who come back just for the money refused to push the current talents. The "Goldberg beats the Fiend" thing was only just recently put out there again as having been a Vine call, not a Goldberg call. Very, very few old timers come back wanting to be booked like the mega coolest dominant beast in the world, Vince is the one who puts them into those positions. It's usually either about money like with Brock, about getting the bug to come back and return to wrestling again like with Rock, or about going out on a better note and letting their kids see them wrestle like Goldberg. Sting came to WWE to get the run he'd never had and to put over the next generation. Time away from the business tends to cool people off a lot in terms of giving a shit about 'their spot' or about being booked to win fake fights.` |
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Post by schma on Jul 30, 2022 11:17:50 GMT -5
Meltzer has stated that getting certain talents to come back (especially ones that bashed the company and/or worked for the competition) was something of a point of accomplishment for Vince, either because it demonstrated WWE's reach or because it illustrated his ability as a businessman to get formerly uninterested talents wanting to come back in some way. Savage is one of the few exceptions, and much of that is said to be rooted in Vince once being very close to him and thus took Randy rejecting the latter's offer of a legend role very personally. Even Savage was slowly coming back into the fold. I remember they'd released an action figure of him shortly before his death and there had been talks. No clue if they would have took hold but it looked possible. |
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 30, 2022 11:22:58 GMT -5
Meltzer has stated that getting certain talents to come back (especially ones that bashed the company and/or worked for the competition) was something of a point of accomplishment for Vince, either because it demonstrated WWE's reach or because it illustrated his ability as a businessman to get formerly uninterested talents wanting to come back in some way. Savage is one of the few exceptions, and much of that is said to be rooted in Vince once being very close to him and thus took Randy rejecting the latter's offer of a legend role very personally. Even Savage was slowly coming back into the fold. I remember they'd released an action figure of him shortly before his death and there had been talks. No clue if they would have took hold but it looked possible. "That looks like me....not NOW, but THEN!" |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 30, 2022 11:33:06 GMT -5
Even Savage was slowly coming back into the fold. I remember they'd released an action figure of him shortly before his death and there had been talks. No clue if they would have took hold but it looked possible. "That looks like me....not NOW, but THEN!" f*** I would’ve killed for the Anonymous GM to have been Savage |
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Jul 30, 2022 11:35:21 GMT -5
Its...Christian.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 30, 2022 11:42:06 GMT -5
The Rock : Left in 2003, returned in 2011 to beat Cena at WrestleMania 28 and deprive CM Punk who had a fantastic reign of a WrestleMania Main Event that he dreamed. The Rock is AT WORST the third biggest star in wrestling history. I’m sorry. But the only reason Punk had the title as long as he did was to facilitate the Cena/Rock rematch with higher stakes. His dreams have nothing to do with anything. If they didn’t value Punk and didn’t care about his reign, he would have lost to Ryback when Ryback was red hot |
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Post by hijuko on Jul 30, 2022 12:29:59 GMT -5
The Rock : Left in 2003, returned in 2011 to beat Cena at WrestleMania 28 and deprive CM Punk who had a fantastic reign of a WrestleMania Main Event that he dreamed. The Rock is AT WORST the third biggest star in wrestling history. I’m sorry. But the only reason Punk had the title as long as he did was to facilitate the Cena/Rock rematch with higher stakes. His dreams have nothing to do with anything. If they didn’t value Punk and didn’t care about his reign, he would have lost to Ryback when Ryback was red hot As long as a guy quits wrestling for Hollywood and comes back to be there 3 times a year, he doesn't have to be World Champion again. If Punk has been world champion for so long, it's because he was the most over wrestler in the federation from 2011 to 2013 due to the fact that he is excellent in the ring and on the microphone and that he is itself given his push. You just have to see the matches and the promos with Cena, Jericho and Bryan to realize that. And he was acclaimed by the public unlike Roman Reigns and you're going to tell me he didn't deserve his WrestleMania M-E all that to give us a much less expected Cena - Rock 2 than the 1st? The Rock had largely had his moment of glory during the Attitude Era, he absolutely didn't need to deprive Punk of his moment of glory! |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 30, 2022 12:33:09 GMT -5
The Rock : Left in 2003, returned in 2011 to beat Cena at WrestleMania 28 and deprive CM Punk who had a fantastic reign of a WrestleMania Main Event that he dreamed. The Rock is AT WORST the third biggest star in wrestling history. I’m sorry. But the only reason Punk had the title as long as he did was to facilitate the Cena/Rock rematch with higher stakes. His dreams have nothing to do with anything. If they didn’t value Punk and didn’t care about his reign, he would have lost to Ryback when Ryback was red hot Yeah, Punk told the story himself. They came to him in summer 2012, obviously before the Raw 1000 show, and gave him two options. Stay babyface and drop the title to Daniel Bryan to end their feud then Bryan would hold it until the Rumble and drop it to Rock. The other option was to turn heel, keep the title until the Rumble and drop it to Rock. He obviously chose the latter and who can blame him? He got to keep the title for another half year, got Heyman and got arguably the biggest money match of his career at the Rumble. The narrative online is usually that Rock screwed Punk out of his title when in reality Rock's involvement is what he has to thank for that historic long reign. Choosing to go heel and do the Rock match added 6 months to his reign. If Rock isn't in the picture he probably drops it to Cena or Bryan at or before Summerslam 2012. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 30, 2022 12:49:05 GMT -5
Getting Taker at Mania is one hell of a consolation prize for someone that got "deprived"
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Post by hijuko on Jul 30, 2022 12:52:23 GMT -5
Getting Taker at Mania is one hell of a consolation prize for someone that got "deprived" And the match was largely the best of this Mania which proved once again that Punk completely deserved his WrestleMania M-E. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 30, 2022 12:57:33 GMT -5
Getting Taker at Mania is one hell of a consolation prize for someone that got "deprived" And the match was largely the best of this Mania which proved once against that Punk completely deserved his WrestleMania M-E. I don't know about all that Imo it should have been a triple threat match for the title but as said Punk only held the title that long so they can get to that moment. He didn't walk away empty handed and more importantly it is not Rock fault he didn't get a ME at Mania. Punk held a grudge against Miz because he got the ME the year prior but people forget Miz was clear 3rd fiddle and in no way was Punk going to accept a role like that Punk should had lost the title to Ryback when he was on fire but they had him keep the title to make Rock beating him bigger |
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