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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 20, 2024 19:56:39 GMT -5
Sega not seeing 3d as the future of home gaming, despite it being a huge part of their arcade presence. The saturn being a 2d powerhouse is fantastic seen through the lens of a retro system as the sprite work has aged wonderfully compared to the polygon stuff, but at the time people wanted polygons and Sega only really took it seriously after realising just how capable the playstation was going to be. The Saturn was rush re-designed to play catch up and ended up more complex and expensive to make and SOA cut it off at the knees just as western developers actually started to get decent performance from it. They struggled to attract developers for the Dreamcast as a result and that pulled them into the abyss.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2024 3:09:51 GMT -5
Quibi. just Quibi. and on that note... HBO Max! AT&T deciding they could be Disney without all the behind the scenes setup and just buying a bunch of companies like WB, DirecTV, HBO itself... deciding just having the companies was enough on it's own announces HBO Max... while having HBO Plus and HBO Now as other apps confusing the marketplace. Refusing to let their app be on Roku or Fire TV where over like 80% of the people watch streaming... and a few other things that I'm sure I'm forgetting. If Quibi wasn't a thing it would have been the worst launch of a streaming service of that year... They lost a shitload of money and AT&T basically slashed the budgets for EVERYTHING... causing a bunch of things people were excited for to be cancelled... and it all ends up with DirecTV and HBO Max getting sold to Discovery... who are now also freaking out and canceling a bunch of things... so it must still be a massive shit show behind the scenes. That's not even getting into them throwing more money into the Snyder Sink Hole. ... AND THEN IT GOT WORSE.
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Post by bob on Feb 21, 2024 8:31:23 GMT -5
Dixie Carter not selling TNA to Toby Keith
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Feb 21, 2024 10:15:50 GMT -5
Some of these aren't bad business decisions just lack of foresight. Choosing to invest in something only works if it actually pays off and while it may have for someone else later, it may not have worked out at the time for the businesses who said no.
Target Canada is a weird case though. 113 stores open up and you close within 2 years? There has to be some insurance deal there. Thats extreme.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 22, 2024 13:53:13 GMT -5
Some of these aren't bad business decisions just lack of foresight. Choosing to invest in something only works if it actually pays off and while it may have for someone else later, it may not have worked out at the time for the businesses who said no. Target Canada is a weird case though. 113 stores open up and you close within 2 years? There has to be some insurance deal there. Thats extreme. They were insanely arrogant. They basically did nothing to learn about what the Canadian market wanted before opening, they closed Zellers, which was actually a popular brand here in order to build Targets (oftentimes NOT opening new Targets to replace the Zellers they closed), they did a lot of things that alienated local distributors... There's plenty I can say about Wal-Mart but at least when they opened stores here they actually did some f***ing research. Hell, they even got rid of the greeters when it became clear that most Canadians walking into a department store just want to be left the f*** alone to do their shopping.
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Post by boogie on Feb 22, 2024 14:09:39 GMT -5
Some of these aren't bad business decisions just lack of foresight. Choosing to invest in something only works if it actually pays off and while it may have for someone else later, it may not have worked out at the time for the businesses who said no. Target Canada is a weird case though. 113 stores open up and you close within 2 years? There has to be some insurance deal there. Thats extreme. They were insanely arrogant. They basically did nothing to learn about what the Canadian market wanted before opening, they closed Zellers, which was actually a popular brand here in order to build Targets (oftentimes NOT opening new Targets to replace the Zellers they closed), they did a lot of things that alienated local distributors... There's plenty I can say about Wal-Mart but at least when they opened stores here they actually did some f***ing research. Hell, they even got rid of the greeters when it became clear that most Canadians walking into a department store just want to be left the f*** alone to do their shopping. I live in BC in Canada. I remember going to Target a few times in the 6 to 8 months or so after they opened. Whenever I went there, I would say over half of the shelves were empty and did not have products. Why would you go to a store when half of it is empty? This to me is why Target failed more than anything.
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Post by fg on Feb 22, 2024 15:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2024 21:41:06 GMT -5
I'm sure the investors who bankrolled Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter are feeling real stupid around now.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 22, 2024 22:06:02 GMT -5
Disney buying Star Wars and Marvel is still probably a net gain, but they are close to losing $1b (that includes list revenue from movies not making what they were projected) in total money with their extremely poorly decision making. They abandoned the key demo of both movies, paired that with inexperienced writers, infused it with political messaging in a very divisive era and they are on a massive losing streak right now. There is decades of research that goes into detail about what demos prefer what times of movies/TV shows/books. I will never understand why they threw all that out the window and made movies for a demographic that's never really been into action movies, and then proceeded to double and triple down on it. Just one source: www.psypost.org/study-gender-stereotypes-movie-preferences-mostly-accurate/
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 23, 2024 8:14:21 GMT -5
Disney buying Star Wars and Marvel is still probably a net gain, but they are close to losing $1b (that includes list revenue from movies not making what they were projected) in total money with their extremely poorly decision making. They abandoned the key demo of both movies, paired that with inexperienced writers, infused it with political messaging in a very divisive era and they are on a massive losing streak right now. There is decades of research that goes into detail about what demos prefer what times of movies/TV shows/books. I will never understand why they threw all that out the window and made movies for a demographic that's never really been into action movies, and then proceeded to double and triple down on it. Just one source: www.psypost.org/study-gender-stereotypes-movie-preferences-mostly-accurate/'Why did they make a film series built around a retelling of the rise of fascism with space knights into something political?'
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Feb 23, 2024 9:42:59 GMT -5
Any time a country bids and wins the World Cup from FIFA.
Vigna Clara Train Station in Rome was built for the world cup in 1990, it was used 6 times during the world cup and has never been used again. it cost 50 million $ to build at the time.
The Arena da Amazonia located in Manaus, Brazil took four years to build and was estimated to have cost the Brazilian government $220-$300 million. - The stadium now sits mostly unused in the middle of the Amazon.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Feb 23, 2024 9:46:25 GMT -5
Any time a country bids and wins the World Cup from FIFA. Vigna Clara Train Station in Rome was built for the world cup in 1990, it was used 6 times during the world cup and has never been used again. it cost 50 million $ to build at the time. The Arena da Amazonia located in Manaus, Brazil took four years to build and was estimated to have cost the Brazilian government $220-$300 million. - The stadium now sits mostly unused in the middle of the Amazon. The worst case was when Russia won the 2018 World Cup over England. England already has stadiums ready made. Definitely some corruption there.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 23, 2024 9:47:54 GMT -5
Disney buying Star Wars and Marvel is still probably a net gain, but they are close to losing $1b (that includes list revenue from movies not making what they were projected) in total money with their extremely poorly decision making. They abandoned the key demo of both movies, paired that with inexperienced writers, infused it with political messaging in a very divisive era and they are on a massive losing streak right now. There is decades of research that goes into detail about what demos prefer what times of movies/TV shows/books. I will never understand why they threw all that out the window and made movies for a demographic that's never really been into action movies, and then proceeded to double and triple down on it. Just one source: www.psypost.org/study-gender-stereotypes-movie-preferences-mostly-accurate/'Why did they make a film series built around a retelling of the rise of fascism with space knights into something political?' How dare Star Wars be about defeating a fascist government! Or about the rise of said fascist government! Or be about fascism taking over the government again! It should be about weird BDSM aliens that are immune to the Force and drop moons on beloved Star Wars characters.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Feb 23, 2024 9:59:54 GMT -5
Any time a country bids and wins the World Cup from FIFA. Vigna Clara Train Station in Rome was built for the world cup in 1990, it was used 6 times during the world cup and has never been used again. it cost 50 million $ to build at the time. The Arena da Amazonia located in Manaus, Brazil took four years to build and was estimated to have cost the Brazilian government $220-$300 million. - The stadium now sits mostly unused in the middle of the Amazon. The worst case was when Russia won the 2018 World Cup over England. England already has stadiums ready made. Definitely some corruption there. Oh deffo, and lets not mention Qatar and the stadium that was made out of shipping containers. (It was supposed to be dismantled and sent to Africa with the vacated area turned into a waterfront development. Instead, the stadium -- along with World Cup signage -- is still in place)
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2024 10:18:09 GMT -5
Disney buying Star Wars and Marvel is still probably a net gain, but they are close to losing $1b (that includes list revenue from movies not making what they were projected) in total money with their extremely poorly decision making. They abandoned the key demo of both movies, paired that with inexperienced writers, infused it with political messaging in a very divisive era and they are on a massive losing streak right now. There is decades of research that goes into detail about what demos prefer what times of movies/TV shows/books. I will never understand why they threw all that out the window and made movies for a demographic that's never really been into action movies, and then proceeded to double and triple down on it. Just one source: www.psypost.org/study-gender-stereotypes-movie-preferences-mostly-accurate/'Why did they make a film series built around a retelling of the rise of fascism with space knights into something political?' The politics aren't even the issue. Most people just want to see a space opera or superhero story and the politics are just gravy. The REAL reason Disney is losing money on these is a combination of them burning out the audience by putting out too many Star Wars and Marvel projects combined with Disney+ basically training the audiences for these things to just skip the theater and wait for it to show up on streaming. Any culture war BS about this is missing the forest for the trees.
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Post by fg on Feb 23, 2024 10:48:43 GMT -5
Any time a country bids and wins the World Cup from FIFA. Vigna Clara Train Station in Rome was built for the world cup in 1990, it was used 6 times during the world cup and has never been used again. it cost 50 million $ to build at the time. The Arena da Amazonia located in Manaus, Brazil took four years to build and was estimated to have cost the Brazilian government $220-$300 million. - The stadium now sits mostly unused in the middle of the Amazon. How about the time in 1984 when McDonalds had a promotion where if USA wins a gold medal in the 1984 Summer Olympics, a person would get a free hamburger. Here’s part of the Wikipedia entry information “ With a history of using athletic prowess to sell fast food products, American restaurant chain McDonald's purchased major sponsor status for the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics, in addition to sponsoring several American teams competing at the event. McDonald's also invested in a major advertising campaign around the event.[1][2] In addition to the sponsorships and advertising, McDonald's prepared to repeat a successful giveaway promotion they deployed during the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montréal, Quebec, Canada, where customers were offered a chance to win products when the American team won a medal.[2] In preparation for the promotion, McDonald's had scratch-off cards printed with different Olympic events. The cards were handed to customers at concessions in the United States and they could be redeemed for a specific food item if the American Olympic Team won a medal at that specific event. A gold medal was worth a Big Mac, silver an order of french fries, and bronze a Coca-Cola.[1][3][2][4] The slogan "When the U.S. Wins, You Win." was adopted for the campaign.[2][4] McDonald's had made their cost estimates for the promotion based on the American medal count at the 1976 Montreal Olympics, which was 94 medals, this included 34 gold medals. McDonald's promotion campaign was given an unexpected boost when the Soviet Union, along with the thirteen Eastern Bloc countries, boycotted the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics in retaliation for the United States' boycotting of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, Russia as a protest against the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. Iran and Libya also declined to participate for other reasons.[1][3] With several of the Olympic powerhouse teams absent, the U.S. easily dominated the Olympic Games and walked away with 174 medals, 83 of them gold.[1][3] As the Games started and the American teams conquered podiums, customers were enthusiastic about exchanging their cards for free food. More cards were being handed out with each new order, offering more giveaway opportunities. Some 6,600 outlets reportedly faced shortages of the promoted items, especially the Big Macs.[3][2] McDonald's have been discreet about the cost of the promotion, saying only it was the most expensive promotion in the franchise's history to date.[5] Marketing experts estimate it in the millions of dollars, especially since the chain normally makes a generous profit on each of the Big Macs it was now handing out for free.[1][3] Despite the financial costs incurred in 1984, McDonald's repeated the "When the U.S. Wins, You Win" food prize promotion using the same game-piece format in both 1988 and 1996.[6][7][8] McDonald's would continue its partnership with the Olympic Games until 2017.[5]
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Post by Cyno on Feb 23, 2024 10:51:31 GMT -5
Disney buying Star Wars and Marvel is still probably a net gain, but they are close to losing $1b (that includes list revenue from movies not making what they were projected) in total money with their extremely poorly decision making. They abandoned the key demo of both movies, paired that with inexperienced writers, infused it with political messaging in a very divisive era and they are on a massive losing streak right now. There is decades of research that goes into detail about what demos prefer what times of movies/TV shows/books. I will never understand why they threw all that out the window and made movies for a demographic that's never really been into action movies, and then proceeded to double and triple down on it. Just one source: www.psypost.org/study-gender-stereotypes-movie-preferences-mostly-accurate/'Why did they make a film series built around a retelling of the rise of fascism with space knights into something political?' George Lucas was about as subtle with Star Wars' politics as a large goose honking its head off. Marvel Comics has also been political going back to at least the 1940's. If anything, the movies don't really have that except for Captain America. Unless you consider "diverse heroes existing" a political issue, then that's a you problem.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2024 11:00:56 GMT -5
Related to the Olympics/World Cup, the Montreal Olympics happened in the mid 70s and it took them decades to pay it all off. Olympic Stadium used to be called "The Big Owe" and they were still paying for it long after the Expos moved.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 23, 2024 14:21:10 GMT -5
'Why did they make a film series built around a retelling of the rise of fascism with space knights into something political?' The politics aren't even the issue. Most people just want to see a space opera or superhero story and the politics are just gravy. The REAL reason Disney is losing money on these is a combination of them burning out the audience by putting out too many Star Wars and Marvel projects combined with Disney+ basically training the audiences for these things to just skip the theater and wait for it to show up on streaming. Any culture war BS about this is missing the forest for the trees. the big problem with the Star Wars films were they didn't actually have a plan. They wanted a trilogy just to do a trilogy but didn't actually write a story in three parts. They give each movie to a writer/director and said do whatever, without any like "But at the end X has to be Y so they can do Z in the next movie."
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2024 14:25:44 GMT -5
The politics aren't even the issue. Most people just want to see a space opera or superhero story and the politics are just gravy. The REAL reason Disney is losing money on these is a combination of them burning out the audience by putting out too many Star Wars and Marvel projects combined with Disney+ basically training the audiences for these things to just skip the theater and wait for it to show up on streaming. Any culture war BS about this is missing the forest for the trees. the big problem with the Star Wars films were they didn't actually have a plan. They wanted a trilogy just to do a trilogy but didn't actually write a story in three parts. They give each movie to a writer/director and said do whatever, without any like "But at the end X has to be Y so they can do Z in the next movie." This is also true
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