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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 11, 2022 4:39:33 GMT -5
Not only is it ethically really bad but she's also a complete idiot when you consider she's like literally the lowest woman on the totem (her being eliminated first in that battle royal a few weeks ago pretty confirmed that) and I'm sure they aren't going to have much tolerance for stuff like this. So not only is she an ass h**e but also a moron on top of it. Said it before, and I'll say it again, if they were smart, they wouldn't have these shitty takes in the first place.
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Post by Legion on Aug 11, 2022 5:43:20 GMT -5
Like, I get her point if she genuinely thought Sasha was European - I dont think she meant to suggest that Sasha wasnt black, just not African-American - but as soon as she found out otherwise, she should have back tracked, not doubled down.
Now she looks stupid and her job may be at risk.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 6:11:18 GMT -5
Nice to know that stupid, "Rock doesn't really count as the first black WWE Champion!" talking point is alive and well. Ugh. I dont give WWE credit for making Rock their first black champion. If he was darker skinned and more obviously black featured I wonder if they would have pushed him as prominently at the time.
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Post by Desi on Aug 11, 2022 6:21:31 GMT -5
Nice to know that stupid, "Rock doesn't really count as the first black WWE Champion!" talking point is alive and well. Ugh. I dont give WWE credit for making Rock their first black champion. If he was darker skinned and more obviously black featured I wonder if they would have pushed him as prominently at the time. Colorism isn't a good look either.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 11, 2022 6:22:07 GMT -5
Like, I get her point if she genuinely thought Sasha was European, but as soon as she found out otherwise, she should have back tracked, not doubled down. Now she looks stupid and her job may be at risk. The followup doesn't include nationality so it's not like she was thinking "oh, she might be black and German, not African AMERICAN". Hell, ok, in this case it means white German descent... there are black Germans and have been for hundreds of years. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-GermansOk, my take as the lily whitest guy here. How does 1 side invalidate the other in any way? If someone has a parent from each race, that just makes them both, not neither, it's literally mind boggling that having something extra is meant to take something away and not, you know, add to it.
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Post by Legion on Aug 11, 2022 6:29:05 GMT -5
Like, I get her point if she genuinely thought Sasha was European, but as soon as she found out otherwise, she should have back tracked, not doubled down. Now she looks stupid and her job may be at risk. The followup doesn't include nationality so it's not like she was thinking "oh, she might be black and German, not African AMERICAN". Hell, ok, in this case it means white German descent... there are black Germans and have been for hundreds of years. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-GermansOk, my take as the lily whitest guy here. How does 1 side invalidate the other in any way? If someone has a parent from each race, that just makes them both, not neither, it's literally mind boggling that having something extra is meant to take something away and not, you know, add to it. I edited my post as you were replying. As I say, my assumption in her statement was that she was after the first African American - if she genuinely believed Sasha was German as she knew about her mum and maybe didnt know her dad was American or that Sasha was born in America - then her statement would be correct and Sasha wouldnt be the first African American anything, she wouldnt be African American as she'd be Afro-German, legally. But Amari was either wrong, or tried to make up a really dumb excuse for what she said rather than back down, and Sasha is clearly African American. Born in America, with a black, American dad. So, legally, African American. She could also lay claim to being Afro-German as well, given her mother's heritage, but legally, I dont think that she'd have any rights. Could still claim it anyway though personally.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 6:41:54 GMT -5
I dont give WWE credit for making Rock their first black champion. If he was darker skinned and more obviously black featured I wonder if they would have pushed him as prominently at the time. Colorism isn't a good look either. I dont deny Rock is black. But he doesnt always look what is considered black in the US. I didnt know he was black for years. And I dont think a lot of the casual audience did either as evidenced by that Family Guy gag. I give Rock all the credit in the world for what he has done. I dont give WWE any credit for being progressive or inclusive. I believe if he had more traditional features then they would not have pushed him as hard. This is nothing on Rock and all on Vince and WWE.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 11, 2022 6:53:04 GMT -5
Colorism isn't a good look either. I dont deny Rock is black. But he doesnt always look what is considered black in the US. I didnt know he was black for years. And I dont think a lot of the casual audience did either as evidenced by that Family Guy gag. I give Rock all the credit in the world for what he has done. I dont give WWE any credit for being progressive or inclusive. I believe if he had more traditional features then they would not have pushed him as hard. This is nothing on Rock and all on Vince and WWE. Rock and WWE were extremely up front about his dad being Rocky Johnson, a black wrestler, and The Rock rose to popularity due to being in a stable full of other black guys that parodied the Nation of Islam, the Nation of Domination. If fans didn't know, it's not because it was some downplayed trivia or buried secret.
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 11, 2022 6:54:54 GMT -5
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Post by gl83 on Aug 11, 2022 7:39:59 GMT -5
wooooooooooooooow...... my partner is bi-racial, not that it pertains to this, but I know of the struggles he's had on both sides. It reminds me of the thread where people were saying Sammy Guevara didn't count as representation b/c he looked too caucasian. That one upset my partner b/c he gets that a lot too. Like we're in 2022, and people are still posting shit like Amari did. C'mon now... So, I guess according to Amari Miller, when WWE celebrates Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, Dakota Kai and Shayna Baszler don’t count since Dakota is only half-Samoan and Shayna is only half-Chinese
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 11, 2022 7:44:41 GMT -5
wooooooooooooooow...... my partner is bi-racial, not that it pertains to this, but I know of the struggles he's had on both sides. It reminds me of the thread where people were saying Sammy Guevara didn't count as representation b/c he looked too caucasian. That one upset my partner b/c he gets that a lot too. Like we're in 2022, and people are still posting shit like Amari did. C'mon now... So, I guess according to Amari Miller, when WWE celebrates Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, Dakota Kai and Shayna Baszler don’t count since Dakota is only half-Samoan and Shayna is only half-Chinese I'd love to see a live reaction of her face when she finds out about that. I think it would short circuit her (clearly) tiny brain.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 7:47:30 GMT -5
I dont deny Rock is black. But he doesnt always look what is considered black in the US. I didnt know he was black for years. And I dont think a lot of the casual audience did either as evidenced by that Family Guy gag. I give Rock all the credit in the world for what he has done. I dont give WWE any credit for being progressive or inclusive. I believe if he had more traditional features then they would not have pushed him as hard. This is nothing on Rock and all on Vince and WWE. Rock and WWE were extremely up front about his dad being Rocky Johnson, a black wrestler, and The Rock rose to popularity due to being in a stable full of other black guys that parodied the Nation of Islam, the Nation of Domination. If fans didn't know, it's not because it was some downplayed trivia or buried secret. And by the time they were pushing him as a top star they had moved away from all of that. Casual fans who came in by 99 and 00 might never hear of his heritage. I didnt. And it was not pushed to the mainstream. Plenty of anecdotal evidence of that. I dont minimize his acoomplishments. I deny WWE any credit for pushing someone of his race at that time. But this really all comes down to opinion and we are not going to change minds so I am moving on. Been fighting with racists on Facebook who hate the fact that He Man has more than 1 minority character now so I am just on edge I guess.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 11, 2022 8:05:47 GMT -5
Rock is Black, Sasha Banks is Black, Ricky Starks is Black etc…..
If you do not agree with this or find someone to say something stupid, kick rocks and go back in the hole you crawled out of
What a stupid f***ing take and doubling down on it like she wasn’t all the way wrong. As a block person I hate stupid shit like this. Stop trying downgrade us and yourself
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Post by Desi on Aug 11, 2022 8:29:49 GMT -5
All this tells me that a lot of people really do not conceptualize that race, ethnicity, & nationality are not one and the same.
(For reference, I'm mixed racially, Dominican ethnically, and my nationality is US.)
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 11, 2022 8:34:59 GMT -5
Rock and WWE were extremely up front about his dad being Rocky Johnson, a black wrestler, and The Rock rose to popularity due to being in a stable full of other black guys that parodied the Nation of Islam, the Nation of Domination. If fans didn't know, it's not because it was some downplayed trivia or buried secret. And by the time they were pushing him as a top star they had moved away from all of that. Casual fans who came in by 99 and 00 might never hear of his heritage. I didnt. And it was not pushed to the mainstream. Plenty of anecdotal evidence of that. I dont minimize his acoomplishments. I deny WWE any credit for pushing someone of his race at that time. But this really all comes down to opinion and we are not going to change minds so I am moving on. Been fighting with racists on Facebook who hate the fact that He Man has more than 1 minority character now so I am just on edge I guess. He played his dad in an episode of That 70's Show in 1999, and made reference to his son. WWE's had a lot and I mean a lot of questionable (to say the least) racial stuff, but they were always upfront about Rock being black.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 11, 2022 8:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 8:48:41 GMT -5
And by the time they were pushing him as a top star they had moved away from all of that. Casual fans who came in by 99 and 00 might never hear of his heritage. I didnt. And it was not pushed to the mainstream. Plenty of anecdotal evidence of that. I dont minimize his acoomplishments. I deny WWE any credit for pushing someone of his race at that time. But this really all comes down to opinion and we are not going to change minds so I am moving on. Been fighting with racists on Facebook who hate the fact that He Man has more than 1 minority character now so I am just on edge I guess. He played his dad in an episode of That 70's Show in 1999, and made reference to his son. WWE's had a lot and I mean a lot of questionable (to say the least) racial stuff, but they were always upfront about Rock being black. As I said its going to come down to opinion and no ones mind is going to be changed.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 11, 2022 8:54:11 GMT -5
I mean... WWE has made a point to tell the fans that Sasha is related to Snoop Dogg. She's black. Just an all-time stupid take. Hell, I didn't even know her mom was of German descent. So I did learn something new today very early.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 11, 2022 9:07:33 GMT -5
He played his dad in an episode of That 70's Show in 1999, and made reference to his son. WWE's had a lot and I mean a lot of questionable (to say the least) racial stuff, but they were always upfront about Rock being black. As I said its going to come down to opinion and no ones mind is going to be changed. These are all facts though, not opinions. They did always mention him as the son of Rocky Johnson, his big break was being in the Nation of Domination, his heritage was mentioned in media appearances, TV shows and on their own shows.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 11, 2022 9:09:43 GMT -5
And by the time they were pushing him as a top star they had moved away from all of that. Casual fans who came in by 99 and 00 might never hear of his heritage. I didnt. And it was not pushed to the mainstream. Plenty of anecdotal evidence of that. I dont minimize his acoomplishments. I deny WWE any credit for pushing someone of his race at that time. But this really all comes down to opinion and we are not going to change minds so I am moving on. Been fighting with racists on Facebook who hate the fact that He Man has more than 1 minority character now so I am just on edge I guess. He played his dad in an episode of That 70's Show in 1999, and made reference to his son. WWE's had a lot and I mean a lot of questionable (to say the least) racial stuff, but they were always upfront about Rock being black. Right. WWE has always said Rock is black. Besides the fact he represented black culture with his swag it is undeniable. It is the fans that has tried to do the dumb shit of “only half” so it doesn’t count. Half, quarter, it don’t matter, if you got it in your genes you black. Peep my black excellence thread where that shit don’t even come up
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