Legion
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Post by Legion on Aug 11, 2022 9:11:21 GMT -5
Just to highlight to people, the pictures of the tweets are in the wrong order. It should be: - First African American champ Ember - Sasha is German - Sasha isn't fully black according to www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/nxt-star-quits-twitter-after-controversial-sasha-banks-race-tweetNot that that makes much difference, it's still a dumb as f*** stance to have from her part. I want to believe she wasn't being outright racist and was just trying to save face after she made a dumb comment about Sasha being German and didnt think about how the tweet could be taken - but who knows, she might genuinely have just racially abused Sasha banks, which is sure a stance to take as a developmental talent at a time when WWE wants Sasha back something fierce.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 11, 2022 9:15:35 GMT -5
And by the time they were pushing him as a top star they had moved away from all of that. Casual fans who came in by 99 and 00 might never hear of his heritage. I didnt. And it was not pushed to the mainstream. Plenty of anecdotal evidence of that. I dont minimize his acoomplishments. I deny WWE any credit for pushing someone of his race at that time. But this really all comes down to opinion and we are not going to change minds so I am moving on. Been fighting with racists on Facebook who hate the fact that He Man has more than 1 minority character now so I am just on edge I guess. He played his dad in an episode of That 70's Show in 1999, and made reference to his son. WWE's had a lot and I mean a lot of questionable (to say the least) racial stuff, but they were always upfront about Rock being black. Right. Any questioning of the Rock's race isn't on them, like, at all.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 11, 2022 9:17:22 GMT -5
Her Twitter (if it's hers) is back up and she's apologized, albeit with a hint of iT wAS TAkEn ouT oF cOnTeXt sprinkled in.
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Post by Fade on Aug 11, 2022 9:23:14 GMT -5
I don't understand what people expect when they post hateful stuff like this. Do they expect people to agree with them? Yes. Seeing it backfire and the majority reaction on here is a sight for sore eyes at least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 9:47:33 GMT -5
Her Twitter (if it's hers) is back up and she's apologized, albeit with a hint of iT wAS TAkEn ouT oF cOnTeXt sprinkled in. Ah yes, the classic "I am sorry that YOU GUYS are the dumb ones that didn't understand me" apology.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 11, 2022 9:51:32 GMT -5
I'm glad she apologized but I don't think this is really owning up to what she said and acknowledging how painful it was for a lot of folks:
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 11, 2022 9:55:14 GMT -5
Her posts trying to defend herself after the first tweet are hilarious.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 11, 2022 9:56:10 GMT -5
When are people going to learn that when you say dumb shit, apologize, admit you were wrong, and literally nothing else.
Any "yeah, but" means you aren't sorry for what you said, you're sorry you got in trouble for saying it.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 10:18:42 GMT -5
As I said its going to come down to opinion and no ones mind is going to be changed. These are all facts though, not opinions. They did always mention him as the son of Rocky Johnson, his big break was being in the Nation of Domination, his heritage was mentioned in media appearances, TV shows and on their own shows. Fact. I was a casual fan in 99-01. Started watching full time in 2002. I had no internet beyond checking email at the library. Whenever I watched I heard nothing about Rock being black. Maybe I just wasnt watching those weeks but that is what a casual fan is. I saw that episode of That 70s Show and didnt know who Rocky Johnson was so there was nothing there to indicate Rock was black. It took me reading Mick Foleys second book in 02 to learn Rocks racial makeup.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 10:20:14 GMT -5
He played his dad in an episode of That 70's Show in 1999, and made reference to his son. WWE's had a lot and I mean a lot of questionable (to say the least) racial stuff, but they were always upfront about Rock being black. Right. WWE has always said Rock is black. Besides the fact he represented black culture with his swag it is undeniable. It is the fans that has tried to do the dumb shit of “only half” so it doesn’t count. Half, quarter, it don’t matter, if you got it in your genes you black. Peep my black excellence thread where that shit don’t even come up I dont deny anything about how black Rock is. I deny that WWE went out if their way at all to emphasize this once he became a top star. I attack WWE, not Rock.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 11, 2022 10:22:32 GMT -5
Right. WWE has always said Rock is black. Besides the fact he represented black culture with his swag it is undeniable. It is the fans that has tried to do the dumb shit of “only half” so it doesn’t count. Half, quarter, it don’t matter, if you got it in your genes you black. Peep my black excellence thread where that shit don’t even come up I dont deny anything about how black Rock is. I deny that WWE went out if their way at all to emphasize this once he became a top star. I attack WWE, not Rock. Nah. This is a you problem, and nobody's coming around to you on this.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 11, 2022 10:22:45 GMT -5
These are all facts though, not opinions. They did always mention him as the son of Rocky Johnson, his big break was being in the Nation of Domination, his heritage was mentioned in media appearances, TV shows and on their own shows. Fact. I was a casual fan in 99-01. Started watching full time in 2002. I had no internet beyond checking email at the library. Whenever I watched I heard nothing about Rock being black. Maybe I just wasnt watching those weeks but that is what a casual fan is. I saw that episode of That 70s Show and didnt know who Rocky Johnson was so there was nothing there to indicate Rock was black. It took me reading Mick Foleys second book in 02 to learn Rocks racial makeup. So all the things they said and did regarding his race you didn’t see, and that means that WWE is at fault for what? Not mentioning it every time he was on screen?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 11, 2022 10:28:15 GMT -5
Right. WWE has always said Rock is black. Besides the fact he represented black culture with his swag it is undeniable. It is the fans that has tried to do the dumb shit of “only half” so it doesn’t count. Half, quarter, it don’t matter, if you got it in your genes you black. Peep my black excellence thread where that shit don’t even come up I dont deny anything about how black Rock is. I deny that WWE went out if their way at all to emphasize this once he became a top star. I attack WWE, not Rock. I don’t get the point you are trying to make. What other way can you emphasize he’s black. We know who his father is. We know he was part of the nation. Black people didn’t need to be told Rock was Black by WWE because his swag and mannerisms were part of the culture. They didn’t lighten his skin or tone him down.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 11, 2022 10:30:25 GMT -5
WWE never hid Rock's blackness, this is absurd.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Aug 11, 2022 10:30:56 GMT -5
I don't understand what people expect when they post hateful stuff like this. Do they expect people to agree with them? Yes.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Aug 11, 2022 10:49:27 GMT -5
WWE never hid Rock's blackness, this is absurd. The NoD BECAME the Black Power stable when he joined, he had a song with Method Man at the peak of his popularity, his entire persona is Black-coded to this day...whole lotta people telling on themselves
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 11, 2022 11:02:41 GMT -5
I have biracial family and friends and I've seen this sort of blackness gatekeeping from some really affect them negatively. Especially since it's not going to make the white racists go "Oh they're half white? I'll treat them better!" This shit always gets on my nerves, especially when I see it affect people I know and care about.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 11:06:44 GMT -5
I dont deny anything about how black Rock is. I deny that WWE went out if their way at all to emphasize this once he became a top star. I attack WWE, not Rock. Nah. This is a you problem, and nobody's coming around to you on this. And I already said no one is changing their mind so lets get off it and yall wont shut up about it so here we are.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 11:08:27 GMT -5
Fact. I was a casual fan in 99-01. Started watching full time in 2002. I had no internet beyond checking email at the library. Whenever I watched I heard nothing about Rock being black. Maybe I just wasnt watching those weeks but that is what a casual fan is. I saw that episode of That 70s Show and didnt know who Rocky Johnson was so there was nothing there to indicate Rock was black. It took me reading Mick Foleys second book in 02 to learn Rocks racial makeup. So all the things they said and did regarding his race you didn’t see, and that means that WWE is at fault for what? Not mentioning it every time he was on screen? Well in 2002 when he won the title before Summerslam they mentioned multiple times a show how he was a 7 time WWE champion. Never once did they mention he was the first black champion.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 11, 2022 11:09:37 GMT -5
Nah. This is a you problem, and nobody's coming around to you on this. And I already said no one is changing their mind so lets get off it and yall wont shut up about it so here we are. Let me just ask: Short of having him wear a "Yes, I am Black" hat or t-shirt every week, what exactly did you want them to do?
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