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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 11:16:05 GMT -5
I dont deny anything about how black Rock is. I deny that WWE went out if their way at all to emphasize this once he became a top star. I attack WWE, not Rock. I don’t get the point you are trying to make. What other way can you emphasize he’s black. We know who his father is. We know he was part of the nation. Black people didn’t need to be told Rock was Black by WWE because his swag and mannerisms were part of the culture. They didn’t lighten his skin or tone him down. You could just straight up mention that he is the first black WWE champion. They would say multiple times a show in 2002 how he was a 7 time champ. No mention of his other accolade. It wasnt until reading Foleys book and him saying Rock was black before I knew. When I learned who his dad was and his accolades I wondered why WWE wasnt making a bigger deal of this. First black tag team champ (with Tony) and his son first black WWE champ. A big freakin deal and I wouldnt know it from anything WWE put forth on their tv.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 11:22:13 GMT -5
WWE never hid Rock's blackness, this is absurd. The NoD BECAME the Black Power stable when he joined, he had a song with Method Man at the peak of his popularity, his entire persona is Black-coded to this day...whole lotta people telling on themselves If you started watching after the nation was over and Rock was in the corporation you would have no idea he was in a black power stable. There was an entire album of rap WWE themes. Most of them were for white stars. And as I white guy I dont feel comfortable saying someone is acting black. Yall just wont get that I am not attacking Rock, his race, or his accolades. He deserves every one. My only attack is on WWE for not giving him enough accolades.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 11, 2022 11:25:14 GMT -5
I don’t get the point you are trying to make. What other way can you emphasize he’s black. We know who his father is. We know he was part of the nation. Black people didn’t need to be told Rock was Black by WWE because his swag and mannerisms were part of the culture. They didn’t lighten his skin or tone him down. You could just straight up mention that he is the first black WWE champion. They would say multiple times a show in 2002 how he was a 7 time champ. No mention of his other accolade. It wasnt until reading Foleys book and him saying Rock was black before I knew. When I learned who his dad was and his accolades I wondered why WWE wasnt making a bigger deal of this. First black tag team champ (with Tony) and his son first black WWE champ. A big freakin deal and I wouldnt know it from anything WWE put forth on their tv. I mean I get it but in the grand scheme of things, it isn’t necessary. He wasn’t the top guy cause he was black, he was the top guy cause he was the best. Being first Black WWE champion is a nice stat but you didn’t need to really draw attention to it. For me at that time it probably wouldn’t had mattered he was the first black champion, what mattered was he was the guy. You didn’t need to tell me how important he was because I saw it
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 11, 2022 11:26:17 GMT -5
And I already said no one is changing their mind so lets get off it and yall wont shut up about it so here we are. Let me just ask: Short of having him wear a "Yes, I am Black" hat or t-shirt every week, what exactly did you want them to do? An example I used in multiple posts when they would say he is 6/7 time WWE champ several times a show they could throw in a first black WWE champ here or there. Or when they would say multiple times a show how he is a third gen superstar they could throw in a direct mention of his dad being a first black WWE tag champion.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 11, 2022 11:56:38 GMT -5
This is one of those situations where "Nobody's changing their minds" is not the well-reasoned concession of fundamentally irreconcilable beliefs that can't be swayed by an argument, but instead a stubborn insistence that is not a good look at all. Because wow of all the threads to go for this one in, this is probably the worst one by a lot.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Aug 11, 2022 12:03:07 GMT -5
The NoD BECAME the Black Power stable when he joined, he had a song with Method Man at the peak of his popularity, his entire persona is Black-coded to this day...whole lotta people telling on themselves If you started watching after the nation was over and Rock was in the corporation you would have no idea he was in a black power stable. There was an entire album of rap WWE themes. Most of them were for white stars. And as I white guy I dont feel comfortable saying someone is acting black. Yall just wont get that I am not attacking Rock, his race, or his accolades. He deserves every one. My only attack is on WWE for not giving him enough accolades. From one white dude to another...just don't keep digging
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Post by Stu on Aug 11, 2022 12:10:20 GMT -5
So what made her bring up Ember Moon in the first place? Isn’t she with AEW now?
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Aug 11, 2022 12:10:59 GMT -5
Clicking into the thread and seeing Sasha Banks, I figured she'd kicked over the hornet's nest. This is not what I was expecting. That's the largest oof. Being half-black myself, this is like the one thing that bothers me above all else. It's just so much "You're not welcome here" when people try to make the argument that Amari did. And it's not like they don't see that we ALSO get "You're not welcome here" from the OTHER half, too. We're left without a people to belong to. My child is half black. There's certain members on both sides of the family who reject them. Pisses me off to no end.
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Post by Shy Guy on Aug 11, 2022 12:25:58 GMT -5
So what made her bring up Ember Moon in the first place? Isn’t she with AEW now? If I had to guess, ember has both black parents, where as it's been mentioned multiple times in the thread, Sasha has a white parent and a black parent so Amari doesn't consider Sasha black
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 11, 2022 12:34:00 GMT -5
So what made her bring up Ember Moon in the first place? Isn’t she with AEW now? I THINK she was just trying to do a nice thing and celebrate the first black NXT Women's champion... then we found out what she thinks "counts" as black.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 11, 2022 12:43:35 GMT -5
It's always telling when someone's apology tries to frame it like they were misconstrued and meant something different, but don't even attempt to explain what that difference is. They just want you to know they meant something totally not insane but absolutely meant something totally insane.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 11, 2022 13:26:51 GMT -5
So what made her bring up Ember Moon in the first place? Isn’t she with AEW now? Amari had a 4 step plan that day. 1. Promote the competition. 2. Attack a co-worker’s racial identity. 3. ? 4. PROFIT! What Amari’s 3rd step was and how it makes that 2nd step anywhere close to okay, is something I’d really like to know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 13:51:42 GMT -5
You were one of my rookies in the rookie game Amari you've disappointed me I used to have custody of Odyssey so I know that feeling. And to think, I was actually proud of stealing Odyssey from you.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 11, 2022 14:06:20 GMT -5
Right. WWE has always said Rock is black. Besides the fact he represented black culture with his swag it is undeniable. It is the fans that has tried to do the dumb shit of “only half” so it doesn’t count. Half, quarter, it don’t matter, if you got it in your genes you black. Peep my black excellence thread where that shit don’t even come up I dont deny anything about how black Rock is. I deny that WWE went out if their way at all to emphasize this once he became a top star. I attack WWE, not Rock. The Rock literally got his push that made him famous for a black militant group. I dont think WWF were hiding from it
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Aug 11, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -5
Not only is it ethically really bad but she's also a complete idiot when you consider she's like literally the lowest woman on the totem (her being eliminated first in that battle royal a few weeks ago pretty confirmed that) and I'm sure they aren't going to have much tolerance for stuff like this. So not only is she an ass h**e but also a moron on top of it. Yeah, this honestly kinda reminded me of that time Josh Bredl called Heath Slater a jobber on Twitter while he was still in training. Not only is what you're saying incredibly stupid (and in this case, actively bigoted), but you don't have NEARLY enough clout or success for the fans or your peers to give you a pass on it.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 11, 2022 16:16:07 GMT -5
Yeah, this honestly kinda reminded me of that time Josh Bredl called Heath Slater a jobber on Twitter while he was still in training Hey but that at least gave us the thread where someone said that he would have been shot if this was "the streets" for that comment. Under-celebrated bout of FAN poster nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 16:17:46 GMT -5
Yeah, this honestly kinda reminded me of that time Josh Bredl called Heath Slater a jobber on Twitter while he was still in training Hey but that at least gave us the thread where someone said that he would have been shot if this was "the streets" for that comment. Under-celebrated bout of FAN poster nonsense. I need the link to this.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 11, 2022 16:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 16:48:27 GMT -5
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 11, 2022 17:01:59 GMT -5
People saying Yeti Guy would've been shot but I'm the hyperbolic one.
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