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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 9, 2022 7:56:52 GMT -5
That his gimmick. If he is a fan of someone then an empty apology means all is forgiven. No? if the shoe fits. dude you come into every one of these threads just to get indignant that other people arent as ready to forgive someone as you are, as if saying "I'm sorry" is all that's ever needed and everyone is entitled to automatic forgiveness just because they say it. if you forgive him, cool, all the power to you, but other people aren't going to feel the same way and it's time you started accepting that.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 9, 2022 7:58:15 GMT -5
if the shoe fits. dude you come into every one of these threads just to get indignant that other people arent as ready to forgive someone as you are, as if saying "I'm sorry" is all that's ever needed and everyone is entitled to automatic forgiveness just because they say it. if you forgive him, cool, all the power to you, but other people aren't going to feel the same way and it's time you started accepting that. I deeply apologize that my opinion is different than yours. Please... tell me how to think sir.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 9, 2022 8:02:06 GMT -5
if the shoe fits. dude you come into every one of these threads just to get indignant that other people arent as ready to forgive someone as you are, as if saying "I'm sorry" is all that's ever needed and everyone is entitled to automatic forgiveness just because they say it. if you forgive him, cool, all the power to you, but other people aren't going to feel the same way and it's time you started accepting that. I deeply apologize that my opinion is different than yours. Please... tell me how to think sir. that's not what I'm saying at all and you know it. I'm saying you need to stop getting mad that other people don't share your opinions, especially when you KNOW your opinions are unpopular around here.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 9, 2022 8:06:25 GMT -5
I deeply apologize that my opinion is different than yours. Please... tell me how to think sir. that's not what I'm saying at all and you know it. I'm saying you need to stop getting mad that other people don't share your opinions, especially when you KNOW your opinions are unpopular around here. I don't care If people get mad. But I'll argue my stance. And I expect others to do the same. Calling people out and calling people "gimmick" posters doesn't make for good discussion. I kno my opinions aren't always popular . But they're mine. I will argue them.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 9, 2022 8:22:06 GMT -5
that's not what I'm saying at all and you know it. I'm saying you need to stop getting mad that other people don't share your opinions, especially when you KNOW your opinions are unpopular around here. I don't care If people get mad. But I'll argue my stance. And I expect others to do the same. Calling people out and calling people "gimmick" posters doesn't make for good discussion. I kno my opinions aren't always popular . But they're mine. I will argue them. fine. but you need to stop coming into these threads and making the same angry "well everyone should just forgive him because I have" argument when you KNOW that's not how things work and you've had it explained to you by multiple posters on multiple occassions. that's what gets you called a gimmick poster (even if I do agree that it's not entirely fair in general).
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 9, 2022 8:24:17 GMT -5
I don't care If people get mad. But I'll argue my stance. And I expect others to do the same. Calling people out and calling people "gimmick" posters doesn't make for good discussion. I kno my opinions aren't always popular . But they're mine. I will argue them. fine. but you need to stop coming into these threads and making the same angry "well everyone should just forgive him because I have" argument when you KNOW that's not how things work and you've had it explained to you by multiple posters on multiple occassions. that's what gets you called a gimmick poster (even if I do agree that it's not entirely fair in general). Fair enough. I'll try to be better.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 9, 2022 8:58:47 GMT -5
Louis CK and Hulk Hogan are similar but diverge around the apology.
Louis CKs actions were far worse than Hogans. But he was in the prime of his career so he lost far more. His apology seemed genuine and sincere that I recall. But his actions and words since have dripped with the attitude of “I apologized, get over it”. Which is not how it works.
Hogans words put his entire past into question. Did he not work with this person because he felt they wouldnt draw or was it because of his racism? Did he kill any pushes because of it? And his apology was never worth a damn. It was basically “I didnt do anything wrong but I have to do this”. Fits right in with victim blaming his sons friend.
An apology doesnt mean anything if the person giving it doesnt feel they dis anything wrong. We cant read minds so we have to judge them by their words and their actions after.
Edit. And there is a difference between a gimmick poster and a poster with a gimmick.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 9, 2022 10:38:00 GMT -5
For the most part I’m in favor of giving people in the public eye who’ve said or done something dumb in the case of ignorance a chance to show they can better themselves, but in cases like Louis C.K. it’s the kind of thing that results in so much trauma for the victims, it’s going to be hard for many to look past that afterwards. I’m indifferent to his material but following accusations like that, is it any wonder why some wouldn’t want to keep giving him their money?
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 9, 2022 13:29:30 GMT -5
Louis CK and Hulk Hogan are similar but diverge around the apology. Louis CKs actions were far worse than Hogans. But he was in the prime of his career so he lost far more. His apology seemed genuine and sincere that I recall. But his actions and words since have dripped with the attitude of “I apologized, get over it”. Which is not how it works. Hogans words put his entire past into question. Did he not work with this person because he felt they wouldnt draw or was it because of his racism? Did he kill any pushes because of it? And his apology was never worth a damn. It was basically “I didnt do anything wrong but I have to do this”. Fits right in with victim blaming his sons friend. An apology doesnt mean anything if the person giving it doesnt feel they dis anything wrong. We cant read minds so we have to judge them by their words and their actions after. Edit. And there is a difference between a gimmick poster and a poster with a gimmick. Louis CK's shtick after what sounded like a sincere apology was "Stop whining about school shootings you stupid kids" and going on a woe is me victimization tour. His apology means dick to me because his actions since show how much of a farce it was.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 9, 2022 14:56:28 GMT -5
f*** Louis CK. His sexual assaults hurt generations of comedians. Between the traumatizing and the blackballing and the fear instilled, he actively made the medium and industry a worse place.
He does not deserve a second chance regardless if he apologizes or not. You can't have that much of a negative toxic impact and then be allowed to just come back. Comedy doesn't need him. He won't be destitute. Just keep him out.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 9, 2022 15:43:10 GMT -5
I agree with chaz, but even outside of that any smidgeon of respect I had for him dropped when I heard people were being thrown out of his surprise appearances for heckling him. They did not come to that bar to see him by definition, and being a comedian means you deal with hecklers yourself if hate speech isn't involved and that is some pathetic shit
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 9, 2022 16:08:41 GMT -5
I agree with chaz, but even outside of that any smidgeon of respect I had for him dropped when I heard people were being thrown out of his surprise appearances for heckling him. They did not come to that bar to see him by definition, and being a comedian means you deal with hecklers yourself if hate speech isn't involved and that is some pathetic shit So this basically confirms what I had suspected: these hacks just want to hand pick their own audience.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 11, 2022 12:14:08 GMT -5
I agree with chaz, but even outside of that any smidgeon of respect I had for him dropped when I heard people were being thrown out of his surprise appearances for heckling him. They did not come to that bar to see him by definition, and being a comedian means you deal with hecklers yourself if hate speech isn't involved and that is some pathetic shit So this basically confirms what I had suspected: these hacks just want to hand pick their own audience. They equate any criticism or challenges as infringing on their right to free expression, all while standing with a microphone in front of people without one, sometimes even while getting multi-million dollar streaming deals, and not showing a hint of irony. That's not to say some of the critiques comics face aren't bullshit sometimes; all too often, they are, whether it's people willfully ignoring the context something is said in, or deciding they just hate someone on the basis of pretty much nothing. But I think most people of good faith can tell the difference between that kind of bullshit and the "woe is me, I am but a martyr for free speech put upon by the unforgiving, hivemind masses" grandstanding.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 11, 2022 13:12:06 GMT -5
Examples of bullshit comedians face with hecklers are what happened to Sam Morrill and Ariel Elias over the past couple of weeks. Both were attacked (physically in Ariel's case when the drunk f*** threw a beer can at her) for reasons motivated by perceived political differences that weren't even part of the bits along with antisemitism on Morrill's heckler's part.
Louis CK is doing the woe is me act because some people won't forgive him for being a sexpest and giving an apology that turned out to be full of shit.
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 11, 2022 13:50:26 GMT -5
Examples of bullshit comedians face with hecklers are what happened to Sam Morrill and Ariel Elias over the past couple of weeks. Both were attacked (physically in Ariel's case when the drunk f*** threw a beer can at her) for reasons motivated by perceived political differences that weren't even part of the bits along with antisemitism on Morrill's heckler's part. Louis CK is doing the woe is me act because some people won't forgive him for being a sexpest and giving an apology that turned out to be full of shit. Sexpest. I'm going to start using that
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 11, 2022 14:54:54 GMT -5
f*** Louis CK. His sexual assaults hurt generations of comedians. Between the traumatizing and the blackballing and the fear instilled, he actively made the medium and industry a worse place. He does not deserve a second chance regardless if he apologizes or not. You can't have that much of a negative toxic impact and then be allowed to just come back. Comedy doesn't need him. He won't be destitute. Just keep him out. I have to ask, and I truly mean no disrespect, but what makes you so high and mighty? I've seen several threads where you just act like you're the beacon of morality. And I wonder where the self importance comes from?
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Post by champchumpchange on Oct 11, 2022 15:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 11, 2022 15:42:34 GMT -5
f*** Louis CK. His sexual assaults hurt generations of comedians. Between the traumatizing and the blackballing and the fear instilled, he actively made the medium and industry a worse place. He does not deserve a second chance regardless if he apologizes or not. You can't have that much of a negative toxic impact and then be allowed to just come back. Comedy doesn't need him. He won't be destitute. Just keep him out. I have to ask, and I truly mean no disrespect, but what makes you so high and mighty? I've seen several threads where you just act like you're the beacon of morality. And I wonder where the self importance comes from? Try again, chief.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 11, 2022 16:08:16 GMT -5
f*** Louis CK. His sexual assaults hurt generations of comedians. Between the traumatizing and the blackballing and the fear instilled, he actively made the medium and industry a worse place. He does not deserve a second chance regardless if he apologizes or not. You can't have that much of a negative toxic impact and then be allowed to just come back. Comedy doesn't need him. He won't be destitute. Just keep him out. I have to ask, and I truly mean no disrespect, but what makes you so high and mighty? I've seen several threads where you just act like you're the beacon of morality. And I wonder where the self importance comes from? I assume he has never used his influence to force someone to watch him masterbate. That makes him a beacon of morality compared to Louis CK IMO. And compared to anyone that defends CK.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 11, 2022 16:27:19 GMT -5
f*** Louis CK. His sexual assaults hurt generations of comedians. Between the traumatizing and the blackballing and the fear instilled, he actively made the medium and industry a worse place. He does not deserve a second chance regardless if he apologizes or not. You can't have that much of a negative toxic impact and then be allowed to just come back. Comedy doesn't need him. He won't be destitute. Just keep him out. I have to ask, and I truly mean no disrespect, but what makes you so high and mighty? I've seen several threads where you just act like you're the beacon of morality. And I wonder where the self importance comes from? Weren't you just complaining about how people aren't allowed to voice their opinions in this thread like 2 days ago? What have you done in your life that has you jumping through hoops to defend people like this?
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