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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 4, 2022 23:20:19 GMT -5
8. It's obvious TK has a plan coming out of this show and used it as set up for the future.
MJF has returned, has a guaranteed title shot, and back up while Punk has the Title and no one. Or does he?
He wanted the Women's title on Toni coming out of this and got it done while imploding Hayter and Britt.
He upped the heat in the JB/Christian feud to an insane degree giving JB a real uphill Babyface battle to under take.
The Acclaimed are now made men with the question being when and not if now.
The Elite are once again leaders of the pack and Hangman had to cope with failing the DO yet again.
Jericho and Danielson are making Garcia a flipping star more on his promo and acting than his in ring somehow.
Other than the TBS title you can kinda see where he wants things to go.
I like that coming itt of a show.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 4, 2022 23:20:59 GMT -5
I don't have the slightest idea how to give it areal number because it was so bizarrely put together that averaging out its highs against its lows just doesn't feel fair to either of them. It was a show. I enjoyed a lot about it (trios title match, the tag title match, the finish to Punk vs. Mox and aftermath), and I was absolutely not feeling a lot about it (the clunkiness of both women's matches on the main card, the clunkiness of the ladder match, Jericho vs. Danielson).
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Sept 4, 2022 23:21:38 GMT -5
High eight sounds about right. A few flat and/or odd moments, but certainly no regrets purchasing.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 4, 2022 23:27:53 GMT -5
Jade/Athena was gonna go longer, I think they capped it after too many sloppy spots. Statlander was going to beat Jade at Ashe, the plan hopefully stays course for someone to beat Jade in New York, which means Athena was never gonna win here And I'm glad Toni winning was still the plan, she needed to imo. Tony needs to learn to freaking improvise and adapt. There was no reason why Athena could not have won here. I’m tired of Jade no selling her opponents and then winning. She’s a less talented Roman Reigns at this point. With how completely incapable of changing plans he is I'm pretty much under the opinion that Tony has no business being the head writer for a program as volatile and in need of constant reshuffling as a wrestling show. Jade will hold the title until whenever Statlander comes back and whenever they're next in New York because that was the plan and the plan cannot change.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2022 23:29:13 GMT -5
Tony needs to learn to freaking improvise and adapt. There was no reason why Athena could not have won here. I’m tired of Jade no selling her opponents and then winning. She’s a less talented Roman Reigns at this point. With how completely incapable of changing plans he is I'm pretty much under the opinion that Tony has no business being the head writer for a program as volatile and in need of constant reshuffling as a wrestling show. Jade will hold the title until whenever Statlander comes back and whenever they're next in New York because that was the plan and the plan cannot change. A lot of fans would disagree with that, but I also think he could delegate some booking to other people The women mainly, should just be run by another department where Tony can just give the ok's
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 4, 2022 23:29:26 GMT -5
Didn’t watch. I’d probably be more inclined to watch if ppvs still charged you on your next cable bill like they used to.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 4, 2022 23:34:42 GMT -5
Didn’t watch. I’d probably be more inclined to watch if ppvs still charged you on your next cable bill like they used to. That's not still done? That's how I bought it on Dish tonight.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 4, 2022 23:34:57 GMT -5
Jade will hold the title until whenever Statlander comes back and whenever they're next in New York because that was the plan and the plan cannot change. It seriously does feel like that because...if not Athena after a few months of feuding with Jade, then actually who? KiLynn King and Willow Nightingale could use the rub, but I wouldn't call either of them ready. Riho would make everyone happy, but would almost feel anticlimactic - even with Jade's wins over Ruby and Rosa, it would still feel like a bizarre reset button where Jade got stomped by someone swooping in from a higher tier. (And that's with Riho being really unprotected since losing the title.) Hayter could pull it off, but has a feud to get through first, so that just exacerbates the pacing issues. The only plausible debut I could see pulling it off is Millie McKenzie, and that feels extremely out of left field.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2022 23:40:55 GMT -5
Jade will hold the title until whenever Statlander comes back and whenever they're next in New York because that was the plan and the plan cannot change. It seriously does feel like that because...if not Athena after a few months of feuding with Jade, then actually who? KiLynn King and Willow Nightingale could use the rub, but I wouldn't call either of them ready. Riho would make everyone happy, but would almost feel anticlimactic - even with Jade's wins over Ruby and Rosa, it would still feel like a bizarre reset button where Jade got stomped by someone swooping in from a higher tier. (And that's with Riho being really unprotected since losing the title.) Hayter could pull it off, but has a feud to get through first, so that just exacerbates the pacing issues. The only plausible debut I could see pulling it off is Millie McKenzie, and that feels extremely out of left field. My pick is Hikaru Shida, and it should be after the last few weeks I think Legit challenger, good momentum, is Hikaru Shida, all things check out
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Post by Facetious on Sept 4, 2022 23:43:53 GMT -5
8. Jade match was meh, ladder was meh, and I wasn't feeling the Punk/Mox. I really enjoyed the MJF return. Well done.
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Post by clifford on Sept 5, 2022 3:19:12 GMT -5
I think 8 is fair. Some great matches and moments, but some weird booking decisions. It flowed better as a PPV than the last few, which is a huge plus. I'd have cut the Christian/Jungle Boy bullshit if that's all it was going to be. And Punk's media scrum is retroactively souring me on the main event now.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 5, 2022 3:47:28 GMT -5
Worst show of the weekend (albeit all the shows were of high quality), I know people dump on the Drew/Roman (personally I think Drew is working injured) match but this show had some really strange decisions in it. And I would rather the title spot go to someone younger. And who isn't an asshole.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Sept 5, 2022 4:54:09 GMT -5
6.
I don't think this is the "Great Fall of Tony Khan".
But I do think he's being exposed big time, and I hope, I really hope, that he has his 'come to Jesus' moment soon as far as not being the end all be all he's seemingly inflated his ego to think. He's making a frustrating product, and making frustrating decisions, and being a frustrating ass person for a long while now.
Nothing was as egregious as what happened to Drew, but still. I really didn't enjoy this show.
I could go on, but what else can I say that hasn't already been said, or I haven't said myself.
Get your shit together Tony. I want to love AEW again.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Sept 5, 2022 6:50:42 GMT -5
7.
Zero Hour was really good match-wise, even if the results were all pretty predictable. And most of the matches on the main card were good... until the finishes, anyway. The Dark Order losing to the Elite again sucked a lot of wind out of my sails, and then it was followed by Jade/Athena, which was just... not very good. After that it picked up again (although a small part of me was ready for FTWardlow to lose), although JB vs Christian was kind of a downturn, and Danielson vs Jericho was just boring to me. And the main event...
...if they were just gonna have Punk win anyway, why bother with the unification match two weeks earlier? You could have done it here and had roughly the same damn result.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 5, 2022 7:03:00 GMT -5
I'm giving it a 7/10 (accidentally voted 8, stupid fingers haha) Obviously was all can agree it wasn't their best show. But I still had fun watching it with my friends on Twitch. Punks being a backstage hobogoblin doesn't affect the score in anyway.
Match of the Night: Acclaimed vs Swerve in our Glory (with the trios match you knew you were getting a classic, but with the Acclaimed no one expected them to take it up to this level)
Worst Match of the Night/Angle: Jade vs Athena it was sloppy and Athena seemed a bit off on timing and everyone was just off that match. Ending rocked though.
And shout to CM Punk for making it about himself and now no one is discussing MJF and he gets overshadowed again. Plus him going off on Colt (I noticed no questions were asked, the report Punk went off on just did improve with Colt.)
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Post by Dub H on Sept 5, 2022 8:48:30 GMT -5
I don't think AEW had a ppv were I disagreed so much about the winners but it was still a lot of fun. The tag matches specially were great
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Sept 5, 2022 8:51:54 GMT -5
I'm feeling a seven.
15 matches is just too much, Starks/Hobbs and Athena/Cargill needed more time, it should've just been MCMG vs. FTR, and Jungle Boy/Cage should've been on the pre-show.
But more than that, the crowd sitting on it's hands made some matches that were the appropriate length feel way too long, and to my mind kinda killed the whole vibe of the show. This didn't feel like a Wrestlemania equivalent event.
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Post by clifford on Sept 5, 2022 8:57:39 GMT -5
Also, I really, really think that the 'get everyone on the PPV' strategy hurts the shows; it certainly doesn't make it any better.
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Post by grunt on Sept 5, 2022 10:11:50 GMT -5
Such a weird PPV. And such a weird company, right now. Lots of good, lots of mediocre/bad, lots of sloppiness in some matches' layout or execution, lots of unsurprising surprises... Weird.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 5, 2022 10:43:36 GMT -5
I went with around an 8.5 - thought Zero Hour was really damn good (Ishii vs. Kingston was niiiiiiiice), classic Trios title match, Mox/Punk delivered, Tag Title match was great and star-making for The Acclaimed, really enjoyed the Women's title match (wish the crowd was more up for it, took them until closer to the end to perk up), etc.
I can see people being bummed about Hobbs/Starks, the TBS title match, Jungle Boy/Christian, and Danielson/Jericho for different reasons. Good parts on those - I feel confident that Hobbs/Starks isn't done yet and love that they're clearly aiming to get Hobbs over as a big time threat; I did get pretty well swerved by Luchasaurus siding with Christian, Jungle Boy's road to revenge now gets another layer; maybe I just wasn't paying attention closely enough, but I didn't think the TBS match was as sloppy as some are saying, and Athena looked like a beast for some big moments, really dynamic ending, too; and there are always things I'll appreciate in a Danielson match, and yeah, the goal of getting Garcia over is working well.
Downsides of those: most of them were the shorter runtimes - some matches should run short sometimes, but if you were specifically looking forward to one or two of these matches I see being upset. I was also flat-out pulling for Athena and was bummed when she lost, though I guess the idea at this point is to have Jade's first loss be to someone who can use that as their establishing moment. And Danielson/Jericho wasn't a bad match by any stretch, and I liked they wanted it to feel like a real struggle, but it still felt like it was missing a bit of flow that would've tied it together. I think some of the matches were also hurt by the crowd deflating for awhile after Acclaimed lost; definitely more muted responses until the main event.
Still, no big complaints here overall, though my lingering question is "if Statlander's hurt, who the hell beats Jade soon?" Lots of stuff set up, looking forward to most of what's to come.
Then I got online after finishing the show this morning and saw an ongoing Chernobyl meltdown over media scrums and felt very content with the fact I don't usually watch those, anyway.
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