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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 11, 2022 17:18:52 GMT -5
One thing people forget, is WWE is WRESTLING. Not just to fans but to wrestlers as well.
Sure, being your own booker in AEW OR Japan is awesome.
But WWE is different. WRESTLEMANIA is something no other promotion can offer.
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 11, 2022 17:23:35 GMT -5
It's been said numerous times of many WWE stars of the last ten years or so: they aren't there to do their best in-ring work, but to make the most money.
As long as that is true, WWE may be the bigger stage, but it's not where we'll see the best wrestling overall. I think Omega and the Bucks are still somewhat focused on making sure what they do in the ring is seen as the best work they've ever done; therefore, the exchange of the higher pay for a more limited moveset and character development, not to mention a far more rigorous travel schedule, may not be a given in this case.
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Post by Instant Classic on Sept 11, 2022 17:50:56 GMT -5
Bucks have been tag champs everywhere, I’d love to see them be WWE tag champs.
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Post by bob on Sept 11, 2022 18:41:29 GMT -5
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Sept 11, 2022 20:31:27 GMT -5
People said WWE would "ruin" or wouldn't "get" AJ Styles. He beat Cena on PPV twice and was the WWE World champion in under a year. I think Omega would do just fine. And the Bucks? If they can't wrestle a 10 minute TV match... they aren't as good as people think. Personally I think they'd thrive. You're right about AJ, but he's very much the exception to the rule It amuses me WWE die-hards are always point to "BUT AJ! THEY GOT AJ RIGHT! SEE? SEE?" It's like how do you not see you're actually proving our point? But I digress.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Sept 11, 2022 22:00:37 GMT -5
One thing people forget, is WWE is WRESTLING. Not just to fans but to wrestlers as well. People don't forget this, they just don't think it in the first place usually because it isn't true
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 11, 2022 22:13:43 GMT -5
I think there a chance but not the greatest one tho that all depends on his relationship with Khan and how he sees AEW
I believe he mentioned before about there was some interest about WWE when his NJPW contract was ending but once AEW was full force he was without question there
I have said for years tho if he goes to WWE he gets a bigger push than AJ who got the title 9 months into his run.
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Post by Fade on Sept 11, 2022 22:22:25 GMT -5
I have said for years tho if he goes to WWE he gets a bigger push than AJ who got the title 9 months into his run. Agreed. Kenny turns 39 soon (crazy to think AJ debuted in WWE when he was 38) and I doubt he’d be marketed as “The Guy” but probably promoted in a similar vein to AJ/Seth. Still not saying it’s likely but there’s never been more of an opportunity than when that renegotiation comes up. I think it’s a win-win-win personally, no matter he ends up in WWE, goes back to NJPW or remains with AEW.
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 11, 2022 22:24:50 GMT -5
WWE really wanted Kenny Omega and if AEW didn't form, he likely would've gone there. I'm not sure if he would've gotten the AJ Styles treatment or if he would've been sent to NXT only to come to the main roster as Bungus B'Goo. But there was a lot of mutual interest.
Never say never, especially with this recent shit with CM Punk and Cody going back to WWE. A Triple H-run WWE also certainly means he skips the NXT > Main Roster pipeline and rebranding hell. But Kenny (and the Bucks for that matter) seems more in sync with Tony Khan than Cody was with either of them. And Kenny Omega is one of those guys who I see Tony Khan breaking the bank for unless WWE gives him like Lesnar-tier money.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 11, 2022 22:28:41 GMT -5
I have said for years tho if he goes to WWE he gets a bigger push than AJ who got the title 9 months into his run. Agreed. Kenny turns 39 soon (crazy to think AJ debuted in WWE when he was 38) and I doubt he’d be marketed as “The Guy” but probably promoted in a similar vein to AJ/Seth. Still not saying it’s likely but there’s never been more of an opportunity than when that renegotiation comes up. I think it’s a win-win-win personally, no matter he ends up in WWE, goes back to NJPW or remains with AEW. Having AJ come in against Roman and working with Jericho was def meant to make him look like a big deal but this is one of those times Vince falling in love with you works out. I believe Vince told him like in his first match he wanted to see that pit bull in him and when he showed that Vince loved him and never fell out of love. With the way HHH puts emphasis on wrestling for his product no doubt him and Omega would get along fine. For Omega it is a no loss situation. He’s going to get paid, be a top star regardless.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 11, 2022 22:30:16 GMT -5
WWE really wanted Kenny Omega and if AEW didn't form, he likely would've gone there. I'm not sure if he would've gotten the AJ Styles treatment or if he would've been sent to NXT only to come to the main roster as Bungus B'Goo. But there was a lot of mutual interest. Never say never, especially with this recent shit with CM Punk and Cody going back to WWE. A Triple H-run WWE also certainly means he skips the NXT > Main Roster pipeline and rebranding hell. But Kenny (and the Bucks for that matter) seems more in sync with Tony Khan than Cody was with either of them. And Kenny Omega is one of those guys who I see Tony Khan breaking the bank for unless WWE gives him like Lesnar-tier money. I think it happens for him and Bucks If they able to come in as a unit and just say f*** it to say they did it for a year or two to get another challenge in their careers like Claudio and Danielson did for AEW as far as looking for new challenge
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Post by Fade on Sept 11, 2022 22:37:45 GMT -5
Agreed. Kenny turns 39 soon (crazy to think AJ debuted in WWE when he was 38) and I doubt he’d be marketed as “The Guy” but probably promoted in a similar vein to AJ/Seth. Still not saying it’s likely but there’s never been more of an opportunity than when that renegotiation comes up. I think it’s a win-win-win personally, no matter he ends up in WWE, goes back to NJPW or remains with AEW. Having AJ come in against Roman and working with Jericho was def meant to make him look like a big deal but this is one of those times Vince falling in love with you works out. I believe Vince told him like in his first match he wanted to see that pit bull in him and when he showed that Vince loved him and never fell out of love. With the way HHH puts emphasis on wrestling for his product no doubt him and Omega would get along fine. For Omega it is a no loss situation. He’s going to get paid, be a top star regardless. darbus alan brings up a good point that Kenny would probably work better with TK than Hunter… ..that being said, Papa H apparently went hard for The Elite last time around (even as far as reaching out AFTER they’d already chosen AEW) and I could equally see him going just as hard now with all the current changes in both respective company’s. Next year or so is going to be fascinating to watch.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 11, 2022 22:41:29 GMT -5
Triple H protected Bill DeMott for years, I can't imagine Kenny would forget that.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 12, 2022 0:42:08 GMT -5
One thing people forget, is WWE is WRESTLING. Not just to fans but to wrestlers as well. People don't forget this, they just don't think it in the first place usually because it isn't true But it is? WWE is the biggest company of all time. It offers exposure and has a legacy that no other company has.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 12, 2022 0:45:24 GMT -5
You're right about AJ, but he's very much the exception to the rule It amuses me WWE die-hards are always point to "BUT AJ! THEY GOT AJ RIGHT! SEE? SEE?" It's like how do you not see you're actually proving our point? But I digress. Wow. Holy accusations bat man. I call WWE out on bullshit all the time. But when it comes to Internet darlings there's the black & gold era of NXT. CM Punk(despite what he says) & Daniel Bryan. WWE pushes the ones actually worth pushing. Some of them aren't as good as they seem.
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Post by lockedontarget on Sept 12, 2022 2:57:45 GMT -5
I would say it depends what the metrics and qualifiers are. There's often a lot of recency/western bias in discussions about greats, and if you took into account everyone everywhere ever, he's not. But that's a discussion for another day/thread. The only metric for "best professional wrestler ever" is who brought in the most money. No? “Who brought in the most money” is the metric for “who brought in the most money” not who the best is. By your logic, Nickelback are among some of the best musicians of all time. A random MCU movie is a better film than Citizen Kane. Candy Crush is a better video game than Super Mario World. Best is inherently a subjective measure, as what makes something great will change depending on the person judging it.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 12, 2022 3:22:42 GMT -5
The only metric for "best professional wrestler ever" is who brought in the most money. No? “Who brought in the most money” is the metric for “who brought in the most money” not who the best is. By your logic, Nickelback are among some of the best musicians of all time. A random MCU movie is a better film than Citizen Kane. Candy Crush is a better video game than Super Mario World. Best is inherently a subjective measure, as what makes something great will change depending on the person judging it. Citizen Kane is a terrible movie.
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Post by The Barber on Sept 12, 2022 3:31:30 GMT -5
The only metric for "best professional wrestler ever" is who brought in the most money. Flair is the best in-ring worker, Hogan took the WWF worldwide, Cena probably the best sports entertainer, Rock is the only guy to truly transcend the business while being an active performer, but there's only one answer to who drew the most, and that is Austin. And Cena sold more merch than everyone. There is no way Cena outsold Hogan in terms of merchandise if we are including his NWO run. Even in his prime, I rarely saw anyone with a John Cena shirt or toy except at venues.
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Post by lockedontarget on Sept 12, 2022 3:35:28 GMT -5
No? “Who brought in the most money” is the metric for “who brought in the most money” not who the best is. By your logic, Nickelback are among some of the best musicians of all time. A random MCU movie is a better film than Citizen Kane. Candy Crush is a better video game than Super Mario World. Best is inherently a subjective measure, as what makes something great will change depending on the person judging it. Citizen Kane is a terrible movie. Disagree, but that just gets right back to my point that what the best is is highly subjective. The reverence Citizen Kane has amongst filmmakers, and it’s status as a film often held up as great cinema, is not due to its box office. And you not thinking it deserves that status does not seem to be based on profits, either. If someone doesn’t think Cena’s body of work is particularly compelling or memorable then that is a more than valid reason for that person to feel Cena isn’t one of the best of all time.
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Post by Totorob101 on Sept 12, 2022 5:39:36 GMT -5
People don't forget this, they just don't think it in the first place usually because it isn't true But it is? WWE is the biggest company of all time. It offers exposure and has a legacy that no other company has. Honestly i cant believe people still think that,most great pro wrestlers want to perform at the highest level and WWE doesnt offer that,WWE offers a lot of bells and whistles but for serious pro wrestlers looking to actually wrestle they will want to work in Japan or various other promotions that put wrestling first and entertaining nonsense second. No Japanese wrestler dreams to work for WWE nor does Mexican talent,a whole host of international wrestlers would like to work for New Japan much more or Stardom etc. WWE is for people who want to be famous more then be a pro wrestler which is fine but for Omega,the Young Bucks, Osprey etc they want to put on the best wrestling matches they can and WWE doesnt offer that with its restrictions and its poor booking.
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