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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 13, 2022 17:07:53 GMT -5
The lack of a good choice to fill the leader role is I think is definitely a reason why this group isn't clicking. Bayley you think would seem like a no brainer as she has the most name value and star power but doesn't have that commanding presence and comes off as forced. Iyo has the most physical charisma of the three but her limitations on the mic would make her a bad choice as well for that role. Dakota is the best talker but is the least accomplished and has the least star power so Bayley and Iyo taking orders from her wouldn't make sense. Honestly I think they should have Bayley get kicked out and go face with the other two remaining together as a duo after Wargames which I'm guessing they are going to be part of. Bayley already lost to Bianca and I'm guessing is probably losing to her again at Crown Jewel as well so it's not like there is going to be anything useful for her to anyways. Yea it's tough With Bayley cause she is good, but it's not like we are seeing anything new from her. We have seen her heel, we have seen her in the main event and we have seen her in this character. So there is a lack of uniqueness that can spark interest. In addition, she is maybe the 5th most important woman on the roster (behind Bianca/Becky/Ronda/Flair) which makes the group feel less important overall. I don't know if kicking Bayley is the answer, but not everyone can be a convincing leader of the main event stable. So no knock against Bayley. She is probably better suited if she had a stable that's sole purpose was to be her lackey and help her win the title.
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Post by mistery on Oct 14, 2022 22:04:20 GMT -5
Well Damage CTRL picked up a win tonight. Dakota and Iyo looked great, Bayley is still looking pretty rough at times though. They all have (sorta) matching gear now at least!
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 14, 2022 23:25:05 GMT -5
Iyo and Roxanne was the highlight of that match.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 16, 2022 10:58:04 GMT -5
Dakota Kai was sporting a elbow brace at yesterday's house show in Sioux City, so it looks like she got banged up a bit on Smackdown probably on that landing during that Tejano Bomb/Moonsault spot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 13:48:56 GMT -5
Dakota Kai was sporting a elbow brace at yesterday's house show in Sioux City, so it looks like she got banged up a bit on Smackdown probably on that landing during that Tejano Bomb/Moonsault spot. Watched it back and it looks it happened when Dakota was bracing herself after she falls off of Baquel and her elbow jammed so just a freak accident.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 16, 2022 17:05:03 GMT -5
Dakota Kai was sporting a elbow brace at yesterday's house show in Sioux City, so it looks like she got banged up a bit on Smackdown probably on that landing during that Tejano Bomb/Moonsault spot. Watched it back and it looks it happened when Dakota was bracing herself after she falls off of Baquel and her elbow jammed so just a freak accident. Yeah, just seemed like bad luck more than anything. She still worked last night's match and ran interference during Bayley's match, so she ain't missing any time. It’s funny because like you said IYO does have the commanding presence befitting the leader of a faction; Dakota has also been pretty solid on the mic since coming back. It feels like the main thing Bayley’s been contributing to the group is just name value at this point. I wonder if that’s where we’re headed, with Dakota & IYO usurping more control, no pun intended, as opposed to just being Bayley’s lackeys. I get why Bayley is seen as the leader because this is her pet project and her idea but she has to know her as leader atleast in her current incarnation is just not working. So I am really hoping that IYO being more of a commanding presense here is s sign they may push her into the leade role and just scaling back Bayley...like let the casuals assume Bayley is still the leader but it is IYO taking that role. Maybe largely because STARDOM's entire thing is about factions or Units as they call them that just makes IYO more than a clear fit to take the reigns here as the leader and seeing as STARDOM is basically just giant gangwars then WWE needs to take bits and pieces and impliment here. Oh and give Dmg Cntrl a flag like IYO had for Queens Quest which I always thought was cool and just a powerful way to signify their presence. So, something similar to Post-Devitt Bullet Club where "Machine Gun" Karl Anderson was the leader, while AJ Styles was the Ace. Or like CHAOS, where Shinsuke Nakamura was the leader and Kazuchika Okada was the Ace.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 17:23:47 GMT -5
Not a fan of this group, as I hate the fact that because ever since they formed Alexa's main event run was put on hold. Toxic Attraction needs to turn face and let these bitches know who rule the WWE. 😎 🥀 I've seen so little of Dakota that I've no opinion of her so far. Never really seen Bayley as that special in main roster outside of her HIAC match against Bianca, which was freaking great. Iyo Sky's the one that deserves the spotlight as a top dog, will admit that. Break this group after War Games and let her shine as SERIOUS singles contender/champion. I've seen pretty much everybody find their second gear in the ring while facing her. She's that great.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 18, 2022 17:37:13 GMT -5
They got the win last night and Bayley’s facing Bianca for the Raw women’s title next week. We’ll see how that turns out.
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Post by mistery on Oct 18, 2022 17:40:54 GMT -5
They got the win last night and Bayley’s facing Bianca for the Raw women’s title next week. We’ll see how that turns out. Title isn't on the line next week. It's a non title match. Not a fan of this group, as I hate the fact that because ever since they formed Alexa's main event run was put on hold. Toxic Attraction needs to turn face and let these bitches know who rule the WWE. 😎 🥀 I've seen so little of Dakota that I've no opinion of her so far. Never really seen Bayley as that special in main roster outside of her HIAC match against Bianca, which was freaking great. Iyo Sky's the one that deserves the spotlight as a top dog, will admit that. Break this group after War Games and let her shine as SERIOUS singles contender/champion. I've seen pretty much everybody find their second gear in the ring while facing her. She's that great. No idea why you think Alexa's "main event run" was put on hold because of Damage CTRL. She was in a holding pattern before they formed, and is still in one now.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 18, 2022 17:53:29 GMT -5
They got the win last night and Bayley’s facing Bianca for the Raw women’s title next week. We’ll see how that turns out. Title isn't on the line next week. It's a non title match. Not a fan of this group, as I hate the fact that because ever since they formed Alexa's main event run was put on hold. Toxic Attraction needs to turn face and let these bitches know who rule the WWE. 😎 🥀 I've seen so little of Dakota that I've no opinion of her so far. Never really seen Bayley as that special in main roster outside of her HIAC match against Bianca, which was freaking great. Iyo Sky's the one that deserves the spotlight as a top dog, will admit that. Break this group after War Games and let her shine as SERIOUS singles contender/champion. I've seen pretty much everybody find their second gear in the ring while facing her. She's that great. No idea why you think Alexa's "main event run" was put on hold because of Damage CTRL. She was in a holding pattern before they formed, and is still in one now. On a Raw shortly before Summerslam I think it might have even been the last one under Vince, Alexa cut a promo about wanting to challenge either Bianca or Becky after Summerslam. So Alexa feuding with Bianca might have been the main event program in the cards coming out of Summerslam before the regime change. Hunter obviously went with the Damage CTRL idea instead. Alexa did catch a break with Becky getting hurt as they then needed her to take her spot in the feud as part of the babyface alliance apposing Damage CTRL. I'm would guess it was her and not Asuka that was the fill in there. If not for that then who knows what she would be now? Probably still floundering aimlessly beating Nikki ASH or Doudrop every week while in never ending holding pattern.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 18, 2022 18:12:52 GMT -5
They got the win last night and Bayley’s facing Bianca for the Raw women’s title next week. We’ll see how that turns out. Title isn't on the line next week. It's a non title match. Not a fan of this group, as I hate the fact that because ever since they formed Alexa's main event run was put on hold. Toxic Attraction needs to turn face and let these bitches know who rule the WWE. 😎 🥀 I've seen so little of Dakota that I've no opinion of her so far. Never really seen Bayley as that special in main roster outside of her HIAC match against Bianca, which was freaking great. Iyo Sky's the one that deserves the spotlight as a top dog, will admit that. Break this group after War Games and let her shine as SERIOUS singles contender/champion. I've seen pretty much everybody find their second gear in the ring while facing her. She's that great. No idea why you think Alexa's "main event run" was put on hold because of Damage CTRL. She was in a holding pattern before they formed, and is still in one now. If anything, Alexa probably was going to be a filler challenger like Rhea originally was(before she literally concussed herself and took herself out of the title match at MITB).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 18:14:46 GMT -5
They got the win last night and Bayley’s facing Bianca for the Raw women’s title next week. We’ll see how that turns out. Title isn't on the line next week. It's a non title match. Not a fan of this group, as I hate the fact that because ever since they formed Alexa's main event run was put on hold. Toxic Attraction needs to turn face and let these bitches know who rule the WWE. 😎 🥀 I've seen so little of Dakota that I've no opinion of her so far. Never really seen Bayley as that special in main roster outside of her HIAC match against Bianca, which was freaking great. Iyo Sky's the one that deserves the spotlight as a top dog, will admit that. Break this group after War Games and let her shine as SERIOUS singles contender/champion. I've seen pretty much everybody find their second gear in the ring while facing her. She's that great. No idea why you think Alexa's "main event run" was put on hold because of Damage CTRL. She was in a holding pattern before they formed, and is still in one now. Do not have any other proof other than what ThankGodForSidJustice said in previous post. That's exactly how I saw the situation. What a f***ing mark I was when I thought it would be the better days for Alexa after this promo. She lost every match against Damage CTRL and disappeared yet again.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 18, 2022 18:15:13 GMT -5
OK, so is Bliss actually better than she was in 2017-2018 when she got the proper push and a lot of people hated it, thus warrants another chance over newer and potentially better talents? Or is this simply “I like her and she hasn’t had a push in a while”?
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 18, 2022 18:17:00 GMT -5
At the very least, Alexa should be wrapped up in the whole Bray Wyatt/White Rabbit deal.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 18, 2022 18:27:21 GMT -5
OK, so is Bliss actually better than she was in 2017-2018 when she got the proper push and a lot of people hated it, thus warrants another chance over newer and potentially better talents? Or is this simply “I like her and she hasn’t had a push in a while”? Probably the latter. She's someone that I honestly don't know what the right answer is when it comes to what do with her. She's not good enough in ring to be one of the main event perennials (4HW, Bianca, Ronda) but is too over to be an afterthought. I don't see her ever getting released especially with Hunter in charge now as he seems to a big hoarder mentality and even if she would I don't really know what would be a good option for her. AEW is a mess when it comes to their womens booking and Impact is very low scale even though the women are more of a priority for them. Probably going to be someone who hovers around upper midcard level for a few more years and then quietly retires whenever her contract is up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 18:55:50 GMT -5
OK, so is Bliss actually better than she was in 2017-2018 when she got the proper push and a lot of people hated it, thus warrants another chance over newer and potentially better talents? Or is this simply “I like her and she hasn’t had a push in a while”? I think she worked just as hard as Asuka, Iyo and Dakota in that recent tag match at RAW. Which was great. Enjoyed that a lot. I'd like to see her get more ring time when it is still possible. Seriously think she's better than in the past. It helps a ton that she has grown as a character while the years has passed. She has that real superstar aura in her. Last real match of hers (that wasn't booked to be short...) before that was against Charlotte, which happened in September '21. The creative has wasted years out of her career while she has been healthy to go in the ring. That's to me inexcusable.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 18, 2022 23:56:19 GMT -5
Honestly, Alexa Bliss is just really tired as a character. She's held every title multiple times, been every alignment twice over, been in a odd-couple tag team, managed a male tag team in NXT, and she's even been The Fiend.
What even do you do with her that doesn't feel played out, or at least seems to break new ground?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 0:25:59 GMT -5
Honestly, Alexa Bliss is just really tired as a character. She's held every title multiple times, been every alignment twice over, been in a odd-couple tag team, managed a male tag team in NXT, and she's even been The Fiend. What even do you do with her that doesn't feel played out, or at least seems to break new ground? Those all things happened YEARS ago. Maybe I'm alone in this case, but she is far from played out compared to Rousey and Horsewomen... She did not get to wrestle singles matches as her darker persona at all. That was disappointing. Not including the above mentioned Charlotte match. The only "big" matches were vs. Eva Marie of all people and that hocus-pocus one vs. Shayna Baszler. She got to just f*** around with Randy Orton for all eternity. No wonder most of the fans don't have trust in Alexa to carry great wrestling matches, when she has not been given a chance since '20. 😕
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 19, 2022 0:50:43 GMT -5
Honestly, Alexa Bliss is just really tired as a character. She's held every title multiple times, been every alignment twice over, been in a odd-couple tag team, managed a male tag team in NXT, and she's even been The Fiend. What even do you do with her that doesn't feel played out, or at least seems to break new ground? Those all things happened YEARS ago. Maybe I'm alone in this case, but she is far from played out compared to Rousey and Horsewomen... She did not get to wrestle singles matches as her darker persona at all. That was disappointing. Not including the above mentioned Charlotte match. The only "big" matches were vs. Eva Marie of all people and that hocus-pocus one vs. Shayna Baszler. She got to just f*** around with Randy Orton for all eternity. No wonder most of the fans don't have trust in Alexa to carry great wrestling matches, when she has not been given a chance since '20. 😕 I would agree that she's played out but that's just kind of a problem with today's wrestling environment. Twenty five years ago if a talent was still around after five or six years and there was nothing left creatively they would phase them out and replace them and they would go to WCW with new life. Now they just linger around for over a decade despite having no purpose since there's literally nothing left for them to. I know Alexa's your favorite (or maybe second favorite after Liv I'm not sure) but they've kind of went through everything with her. Every year she's had something to do and a different role and they are pretty much at the point where there's really nothing left. 2015: Manager on NXT 2016-18: Main Event Heel run/Multiple time champion 2018-20: Odd couple tag team 2020-21: Dark supernatural character 2022: Back to 2016 to 2018 character but now a face Also while she's not a bad wrestler she's not a particularly great one either. So that limits her more compared to the 4HW even though they have been around just as long or even longer. While they are stale too at least they'll usually have a really good match which makes up for it a bit. Alexa at best will give you an ok to solid match which was usually the case for all of her 2017-18 run when she was pushed on top.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 1:29:55 GMT -5
Those all things happened YEARS ago. Maybe I'm alone in this case, but she is far from played out compared to Rousey and Horsewomen... She did not get to wrestle singles matches as her darker persona at all. That was disappointing. Not including the above mentioned Charlotte match. The only "big" matches were vs. Eva Marie of all people and that hocus-pocus one vs. Shayna Baszler. She got to just f*** around with Randy Orton for all eternity. No wonder most of the fans don't have trust in Alexa to carry great wrestling matches, when she has not been given a chance since '20. 😕 I would agree that she's played out but that's just kind of a problem with today's wrestling environment. Twenty five years ago if a talent was still around after five or six years and there was nothing left creatively they would phase them out and replace them and they would go to WCW with new life. Now they just linger around for over a decade despite having no purpose since there's literally nothing left for them to. I know Alexa's your favorite (or maybe second favorite after Liv I'm not sure) but they've kind of went through everything with her. Every year she's had something to do and a different role and they are pretty much at the point where there's really nothing left. 2015: Manager on NXT 2016-18: Main Event Heel run/Multiple time champion 2018-20: Odd couple tag team 2020-21: Dark supernatural character 2022: Back to 2016 to 2018 character but now a face Also while she's not a bad wrestler she's not a particularly great one either. So that limits her more compared to the 4HW even though they have been around just as long or even longer. While they are stale too at least they'll usually have a really good match which makes up for it a bit. Alexa at best will give you an ok to solid match which was usually the case for all of her 2017-18 run when she was pushed on top. The biggest problem for me is that Horsewomen × Belair (and whoever is facing' em...) are the only ones who get to fight out these "larger than life" matches in women's division. w/ epic nearfalls, high spots and such. > This isn't a problem in men's division... Jabronies like Street Profits and Ricochet gets to showcase themselves. I myself don't rate Horsewomen that highly, as many other gals have the exact same abilities. I'm friggin' sure of it. They just do no get the opportunities. > Yes, that includes also Alexa. Let her have a finisher spam fest for once and give it a fair 10-15 minutes. Let's see afterwards. But it's what it is. 🤐
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