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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 23:42:39 GMT -5
Oh wow. I didn’t watch but they actually lost the titles?
I mean.. they both could be at the top of the division with solo runs but that’s so quick. I would probably set them out on their own now.
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Post by mistery on Oct 31, 2022 23:47:04 GMT -5
Yah, I think it’s safe to call DMG CNTRL a bust. It’s great than Dakota’s back, I’m glad Io resigned, but this partnership has been bungled from the get go. It hasn’t clicked, they’ve seldom looked like a threat. Just move on from it, and I think all three will benefit. Yeah. The group was pretty much dead in the water all thanks to the wretched booking of their feud with Bianca. Like...I am at the point with her where once she drops the RAW Women's title, she needs to be out of the title picture for an extended period of time putting over other women. Because feuding with Bianca right now basically kills your main roster career. Also Damage CTRL splitting would be a thing because they don't have the depth to support all three women doing their own things. Both the RAW and SD titles are basically on lockdown until at least after Mania, and likely until after Summerslam next year. And WWE won't introduce a midcard title for the women to feud over, because they don't give a damn about non-title feuds for the women if you aren't a horsewoman.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 1, 2022 0:11:18 GMT -5
Getting real sick of this “Clean losses kill careers” bullshit. You can’t say that you want them instead of dirty finishes and then say they’re a bad thing too when they happen to your favourite wrestlers.
Seriously this was the worst match to book, because this pitted the three most vocal stanbases on this board against each other, Sky (let’s be honest, this thread has mostly been about Sky), Asuka and Bliss in a situation where at least one if not two would lose. Sky (and Kai) lost, so they’re “buried” now, but you guys know for a fact we’d be saying the same thing about Bliss and Asuka if they lost clean.
When did we become incapable of coping with losses?
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 1, 2022 0:49:38 GMT -5
The crowd was into the Iyo vs. Asuka parts. WWE should be running with that if anything.
Putting them up against Super-Bianca immediately set them up for issues since WWE books her like she’s the Terminator. She’s not the kind of face that you can get much heat against if you’re new.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 1, 2022 3:41:37 GMT -5
It really doesn't feel like there's been any progression in this feud.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 6:11:00 GMT -5
The only way any of this makes any sense is if and I believe Mistery tossed this out there is if this leads to a winner take all WarGames.
Which IMO you absoloutley no questions asked have to have Dmg Ctrl win.
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Post by mistery on Nov 1, 2022 6:17:46 GMT -5
The only way any of this makes any sense is if and I believe Mistery tossed this out there is if this leads to a winner take all WarGames. Which IMO you absoloutley no questions asked have to have Dmg Ctrl win. And that isn't happening, to be straight with you. All of Damage CTRL's poor booking falls entirely on Triple H and he should be constantly apolgizing to Bayley, Iyo, and Dakota backstage because he has completely failed them. Which also shows that there are flaws in WWE's booking in general, especially when it comes to the women. Unless you are an established top woman, you will be lucky to get any sort of actual strong booking. Like if it wasn't clear before that WWE has its favorites and everyone else plays second or third fiddle, it is after how poorly Damage CTRL has been booked. Unless you are Bianca, Charlotte, Ronda, or Becky, you are going to be playing second fiddle or worse. The only way you'll be built up as a credible contender to a title is if all of the stars align in the universe. WWE has been making some serious missteps as of late with the women, and it's all because they are absolutely hellbent on making Bianca never ever look weak or have to put anyone over. Which kills the rest of the scene. I can only hope Ronda didn't sign a new deal, because losing her would force WWE to actually start pushing some new names to the top of the division.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 6:46:33 GMT -5
The only way any of this makes any sense is if and I believe Mistery tossed this out there is if this leads to a winner take all WarGames. Which IMO you absoloutley no questions asked have to have Dmg Ctrl win. And that isn't happening, to be straight with you. All of Damage CTRL's poor booking falls entirely on Triple H and he should be constantly apolgizing to Bayley, Iyo, and Dakota backstage because he has completely failed them. Which also shows that there are flaws in WWE's booking in general, especially when it comes to the women. Unless you are an established top woman, you will be lucky to get any sort of actual strong booking. Like if it wasn't clear before that WWE has its favorites and everyone else plays second or third fiddle, it is after how poorly Damage CTRL has been booked. Unless you are Bianca, Charlotte, Ronda, or Becky, you are going to be playing second fiddle or worse. The only way you'll be built up as a credible contender to a title is if all of the stars align in the universe. WWE has been making some serious missteps as of late with the women, and it's all because they are absolutely hellbent on making Bianca never ever look weak or have to put anyone over. Which kills the rest of the scene. I can only hope Ronda didn't sign a new deal, because losing her would force WWE to actually start pushing some new names to the top of the division. You know something is wrong in denmark when Ronda isn't booked anywhere near the force that Bianca is right now and this is something I never thought possible. But as far as DC goes I am gonna wait till after Crown Jewel to really cement my own thoughts about all of this but as of now The Raw womens division is in a complete f***ing tailspin because like you said WWE is hellbent on just making sure Bianca is nigh omnipotent now , it would be one thing if women came out better from having faced her (IMO this is the true success or failure of a really long title reign) but she does not even have that to justify this Terminator level booking. And after Nikkeh Cross's booking lastnight....they have killed pretty much every possible heel threat to Bianca on Raw. I do wonder if IYO signed a full 5yr or so deal or whether it was a shorter term deal because STARDOM is looking like a way better deal for her right now.
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Post by mistery on Nov 1, 2022 6:54:31 GMT -5
And that isn't happening, to be straight with you. All of Damage CTRL's poor booking falls entirely on Triple H and he should be constantly apolgizing to Bayley, Iyo, and Dakota backstage because he has completely failed them. Which also shows that there are flaws in WWE's booking in general, especially when it comes to the women. Unless you are an established top woman, you will be lucky to get any sort of actual strong booking. Like if it wasn't clear before that WWE has its favorites and everyone else plays second or third fiddle, it is after how poorly Damage CTRL has been booked. Unless you are Bianca, Charlotte, Ronda, or Becky, you are going to be playing second fiddle or worse. The only way you'll be built up as a credible contender to a title is if all of the stars align in the universe. WWE has been making some serious missteps as of late with the women, and it's all because they are absolutely hellbent on making Bianca never ever look weak or have to put anyone over. Which kills the rest of the scene. I can only hope Ronda didn't sign a new deal, because losing her would force WWE to actually start pushing some new names to the top of the division. You know something is wrong in denmark when Ronda isn't booked anywhere near the force that Bianca is right now and this is something I never thought possible. But as far as DC goes I am gonna wait till after Crown Jewel to really cement my own thoughts about all of this but as of now The Raw womens division is in a complete f***ing tailspin because like you said WWE is hellbent on just making sure Bianca is nigh omnipotent now , it would be one thing if women came out better from having faced her (IMO this is the true success or failure of a really long title reign) but she does not even have that to justify this Terminator level booking. And after Nikkeh Cross's booking lastnight....they have killed pretty much every possible heel threat to Bianca on Raw. I do wonder if IYO signed a full 5yr or so deal or whether it was a shorter term deal because STARDOM is looking like a way better deal for her right now. WWE isn't offering 5 year deals anymore supposedly, but I would be shocked if she wasn't having any sort of regrets at all about sticking around now. Especially after last night which completely destroyed her credibility from having to do a double job basically. Tapping out and then getting pinned. Instead of at least mitigating it by having someone like Dakota eat one of those two, they put it all on Iyo and are protecting Dakota more than her now. Iyo has been booked incredibly weak on the main roster, she's won one singles match and it wasn't even clean. Otherwise she's lost her other singles matches and looked weak in all of them in general. This is one of the bigger reasons why I think NXT Japan is going to be a flop when it launches next year. Japanese prospects are going to look at what happened last night (or Japanese talents' booking in general) and have no desire to sign with the company. Because Iyo is the most popular Japanese star (among Japanese fans) by a mile. Asuka is significantly more popular with westerners than Japanese fans (she's pretty unpopular in Japan because she was insanely controversial in the Joshi scene over there, and unapologetic about it). And if Iyo can't find success, what chance does anyone else over there have?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 1, 2022 7:56:28 GMT -5
Getting real sick of this “Clean losses kill careers” bullshit. You can’t say that you want them instead of dirty finishes and then say they’re a bad thing too when they happen to your favourite wrestlers. Seriously this was the worst match to book, because this pitted the three most vocal stanbases on this board against each other, Sky (let’s be honest, this thread has mostly been about Sky), Asuka and Bliss in a situation where at least one if not two would lose. Sky (and Kai) lost, so they’re “buried” now, but you guys know for a fact we’d be saying the same thing about Bliss and Asuka if they lost clean. When did we become incapable of coping with losses? Personally, I think there's a couple of things at play here all influencing this: 1. Heels lose. It's just a matter of fact. Not everybody can be the Bloodline. 2. There is some merit to the argument that Bianca wins too much, but she just took her first pinfall loss in forever. I could see Saturday being a way to get the belt off her for a bit without outright pinning her again. 3. A lot of the other titles right now are either locked up, recently switched after fairly long reigns or in rebuild mode. I wouldn't be shocked if their rationale was that moving the belts around a bit shows that it's a "competitive" division. 4. Yes, there's a chance they're about to call it a day on Damage CTRL, but I don't think that'll happen until after WarGames. Seems pretty apparent it's going to be Damage CTRL and Nikki vs. Bianca, Asuka, Alexa and Candice.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 1, 2022 8:11:43 GMT -5
Maybe if we stopped putting the goddamn fear of God into someone losing matches clean, maybe they might have all those protected Terminators lose more often.
I’m just frustrated because there is literally never going to be a solution to this where everyone is happy. I don’t like seeing you guys being unhappy about wrestling results all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 8:21:44 GMT -5
I will say though it was ridiculous and stupid to not only have IYO tap out but also be the one to take the pin lastnight.
I aint got a problem with one or the other but the fact she was made to be beat twice in a tag match was some credibility killing shit.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 1, 2022 8:23:49 GMT -5
Getting real sick of this “Clean losses kill careers” bullshit. You can’t say that you want them instead of dirty finishes and then say they’re a bad thing too when they happen to your favourite wrestlers. Seriously this was the worst match to book, because this pitted the three most vocal stanbases on this board against each other, Sky (let’s be honest, this thread has mostly been about Sky), Asuka and Bliss in a situation where at least one if not two would lose. Sky (and Kai) lost, so they’re “buried” now, but you guys know for a fact we’d be saying the same thing about Bliss and Asuka if they lost clean. When did we become incapable of coping with losses? Because there needs to be *something* to be riled up about. "I want clean finishes" "NO, NOT LIKE THAT!" "(Insert wrestler here) can't be losing" "NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM GOING OVER (INSERT OTHER WRESTLER HERE)"
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Post by mistery on Nov 1, 2022 8:28:45 GMT -5
Getting real sick of this “Clean losses kill careers” bullshit. You can’t say that you want them instead of dirty finishes and then say they’re a bad thing too when they happen to your favourite wrestlers. Seriously this was the worst match to book, because this pitted the three most vocal stanbases on this board against each other, Sky (let’s be honest, this thread has mostly been about Sky), Asuka and Bliss in a situation where at least one if not two would lose. Sky (and Kai) lost, so they’re “buried” now, but you guys know for a fact we’d be saying the same thing about Bliss and Asuka if they lost clean. When did we become incapable of coping with losses? Personally, I think there's a couple of things at play here all influencing this: 1. Heels lose. It's just a matter of fact. Not everybody can be the Bloodline. 2. There is some merit to the argument that Bianca wins too much, but she just took her first pinfall loss in forever. I could see Saturday being a way to get the belt off her for a bit without outright pinning her again. 3. A lot of the other titles right now are either locked up, recently switched after fairly long reigns or in rebuild mode. I wouldn't be shocked if their rationale was that moving the belts around a bit shows that it's a "competitive" division. 4. Yes, there's a chance they're about to call it a day on Damage CTRL, but I don't think that'll happen until after WarGames. Seems pretty apparent it's going to be Damage CTRL and Nikki vs. Bianca, Asuka, Alexa and Candice. Let's put this into perspective. If Bianca retains on Saturday, she isn't losing that title until Wrestlemania at the earliest. And that's a problem with the title scene in general. All of the top titles won't be changing hands until that show. Let's look at all of the top titles and who is holding them, and when they could lose them: Universal/WWE Titles: Roman Reigns is holding both of them. He won't be dropping them until Wrestlemania at the earliest, and that's assuming The Rock isn't cleared to wrestle. Otherwise it probably won't be until Wrestlemania 40. RAW Women's Championship: Assuming Bianca makes it past Crown Jewel, the road is pretty much clear between now and Wrestlemania for her, as there are only three PLEs before then. Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, and Elimination Chamber. And you can scratch Survivor Series and probably the Rumble as big shows that she could lose the title on. Smackdown Women's Championship: It's being held by Ronda. There's zero chance she loses the title before Wrestlemania, even if her reign is going to be an absolute chore to get through after how bad she's been since Extreme Rules. The top title scene is incredibly stagnant right now and while the Bloodline/Sami stuff is keeping Roman's run fresh right now (or as fresh as it could be), you can't say the same for the women's stuff. Bianca has cleared out the division and pretty much peaked as a performer and career wise. And Ronda is just so insufferably bad and if what we saw last Friday is what we are getting from her going forward, Smackdown is dead in the water.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Nov 1, 2022 8:39:58 GMT -5
The more we went through that reign, the more Dakota was going uncontronllably ecstatic and the more Iyo was mad pissed at everything. They used that to gain characters and now is the time to snap
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 1, 2022 8:51:05 GMT -5
Them losing the tag titles makes the decision to not switch the belt at Extreme Rules even more egregious, tbh.
If they are gonna be a middle of the road act, ok, but they clearly aren’t, they’re supposed to be Raw’s major heels for the women. So, what the f*** are they doing, hahaha? HHH, I know YOU know how to keep heels strong, to a very obvious fault but now you wanna play shy.
Is there a f***ing disease that stops bookers from putting the same care into the women’s division that they do the men? This is so SO embarrassing and I’m f***ing sick of it, with both major US companies. Grow up and enter 2022, for f***’s sake.
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Post by mistery on Nov 1, 2022 8:59:08 GMT -5
Them losing the tag titles makes the decision to not switch the belt at Extreme Rules even more egregious, tbh. If they are gonna be a middle of the road act, ok, but they clearly aren’t, they’re supposed to be Raw’s major heels for the women. So, what the f*** are they doing, hahaha? HHH, I know YOU know how to keep heels strong, to a very obvious fault but now you wanna play shy. Is there a f***ing disease that stops bookers from putting the same care into the women’s division that they do the men? This is so SO embarrassing and I’m f***ing sick of it, with both major US companies. Grow up and enter 2022, for f***’s sake. It's because its very obvious Triple H doesn't see Dakota and Iyo as stars. He only sees them as warm bodies to feed to the established talent. He probably told them they would be stars just to get them to stay or sign a new deal because he needed lots of warm bodies on the main roster to feed to the actual stars. The ol Vince Jedi Mind Trick. It's especially funny since he puts over Iyo in non-kayfabe interviews as a once in a generation international talent but then turns around and makes her look like an absolute loser. All to put over Bianca who is made and will never not be made unless she gets caught up in a controversy. As for the women not getting the same care and attention as the men, its tokenism. WWE likes to tout how its women's division is great and wonderful but then if you dig even slightly into that statement, its not true as only a few women ever matter.
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Post by canceled4truth on Nov 1, 2022 8:59:09 GMT -5
I heard Triple H told Iyo "I am going to have you lose the tag titles tonight because I am racist" and then burned a doll of Rossy Ogawa in effigy
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 1, 2022 9:08:22 GMT -5
Holy overreaction Batman. This place is wild when Iyo loses a match, and Bianca/Ronda/Charlotte win.
Kind of funny how Bianca is now looked at as too strong after how upset everyone here was when they “ruined” her by losing to Becky in a few seconds. Also, you would think that the same way she was “ruined” (as in, she wasn’t) would give people hope for Iyo and Dakota when they lose but it still seems like everyone is saying they’re dead in the water.
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Post by mistery on Nov 1, 2022 9:14:39 GMT -5
Holy overreaction Batman. This place is wild when Iyo loses a match, and Bianca/Ronda/Charlotte win. Kind of funny how Bianca is now looked at as too strong after how upset everyone here was when they “ruined” her by losing to Becky in a few seconds. Also, you would think that the same way she was “ruined” (as in, she wasn’t) would give people hope for Iyo and Dakota when they lose but it still seems like everyone is saying they’re dead in the water. It's because you don't see fans scrambling to defend Iyo and Dakota because their booking has been piss poor for awhile and they just aren't liked in general by casual viewers, because they keep getting geeked out constantly. This wasn't a flash moment that sparked severe backlash. It has been a death of a thousand cuts kind of booking.
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