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Post by CMWaters on Nov 1, 2022 21:00:32 GMT -5
This is why I think Triple H has no idea what he's doing with the women. Either you hand Damage CTRL another loss or you did yet another dumbass swerve for no reason if they regain the titles. Okay why not change the tag titles there and not hotshotting it on RAW? Either your heel stable eats two tag title losses in a single week or they randomly win it back after four days. I'm 45% thinking that they're gonna have Damage CTRL win all the titles at Crown Jewel, to have the boast of "All titles in one night" ala what Evolution did that one PPV in I wanna say late 2003.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 21:30:43 GMT -5
This is why I think Triple H has no idea what he's doing with the women. Either you hand Damage CTRL another loss or you did yet another dumbass swerve for no reason if they regain the titles. This wreeks of HHH pulling the same shit he just pulled not long ago with the swerve from the tag tourney with the intent to turn right back around and give it back to IYO and Dakota and did this like someone else said so Dmg Cntrl wins all the titles on the same night at crown jewel. HHH taking the express russo highway with this shit.
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Post by robferatu on Nov 1, 2022 23:18:33 GMT -5
I fully expect Bayley to dethrone Bianca BeLair at "Crown Jewel" this weekend, but I have to agree that thus far Damage CTRL's run has been botched.
Firstly, as everyone likely has already agreed with... Even without the promise of Sasha Banks and Naomi returning, they should have won the tournament for the WWE Women's Tag Team Championships by defeating Asuka and Alexa Bliss in the finals as opposed to being upset by Raquel Rodriquez and Aliyah because that didn't help anyone evolved. And while I'm fine with Alexa Bliss and Asuka defeating them for the championships (once again, in the absence of a returning Sasha Banks and Naomi), I feel like Sky and Kai should have had a longer reign with the titles and perhaps continued to holdout on dropping them until the aforementioned Sasha Banks and Naomi finally did return.
I know the women's tag team division is depleted, and it would have been difficult to have them run rough shot over a division that doesn't exist, but I feel like one of the oddball, makeshift tag teams should have continued on after the tournament, maybe Xia Lee and Shotzi or Racquel Rodriquez and Aliyah could have gotten on a hot streak of defeating Tamina and Natalya, Nikki A.S.H. and Doudrop before challenging and losing to Damage CTRL, and then you could have circled back around to a tournament finals rematch between them and Asuka or Alexa Bliss.
Or you could have easily done an angle that before the rematch the entire unit of Damage CTRL took out either Bliss or Asuka, leaving the other to have to find a replacement partner... Which could have been Candace LeRae, I mean... I for one would have been all for a Candace LeRae and Alexa Bliss (or Asuka) makeshift team.
I think how Triple H has handled Damage CTRL is similar to how he's handled a lot of things since he's taken over creative (Karrion Kross, Dexter Lumis, etc.), which is he as an idea, but it's not fully formed. However, he's in the mentality of wanting surprise viewers so he just executes his underdeveloped plan and wings it from there, and the results have mostly varied.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 1, 2022 23:38:57 GMT -5
To tell the truth while the shows have definitely improved in terms of pacing, spontaneity, and presentation, in terms of the actual storytelling I feel like things haven't actually improved at all from how they were under Vince.
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Post by gl83 on Nov 2, 2022 16:15:34 GMT -5
This is why I think Triple H has no idea what he's doing with the women. Either you hand Damage CTRL another loss or you did yet another dumbass swerve for no reason if they regain the titles. This wreeks of HHH pulling the same shit he just pulled not long ago with the swerve from the tag tourney with the intent to turn right back around and give it back to IYO and Dakota and did this like someone else said so Dmg Cntrl wins all the titles on the same night at crown jewel. HHH taking the express russo highway with this shit. Could see Dakota/IYO winning it back at Crown Jewel as it creates a story point and some suspense heading into the LWS match of this possibly being the night that Damage Ctrl finally "takes total control". Not to mention it sets up a rematch the following Raw, which probably ends in a non-finish and sparks the typical "War Games brawl".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 16:33:02 GMT -5
This wreeks of HHH pulling the same shit he just pulled not long ago with the swerve from the tag tourney with the intent to turn right back around and give it back to IYO and Dakota and did this like someone else said so Dmg Cntrl wins all the titles on the same night at crown jewel. HHH taking the express russo highway with this shit. Could see Dakota/IYO winning it back at Crown Jewel as it creates a story point and some suspense heading into the LWS match of this possibly being the night that Damage Ctrl finally "takes total control". Not to mention it sets up a rematch the following Raw, which probably ends in a non-finish and sparks the typical "War Games brawl". It is what I expect has been the plan for them to win the titles all in one night but all this has done is hurt DC becase none of this was necesarry. IYO and Dakota should still be womens tag champs and Bayley IMO should have won at Extreme Rules. But instead just did more harm just getting here because he needs the moment of all of them winning titles on the same night.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 18:36:01 GMT -5
Oh and something else abou the DMG Controll booking that I initially wanted to write off as just a thing is now becoming a very reccuring.
When Dmg Controll has gotten good/favorable booking it has been when Molly Holly produces their stuff.
When they get the crappy end of the stick it is Petey Williams ...and another thing when Petey is the one producing it is IYO that gets the worst of it....both matches with Bianca and this past monday where she basically go beat twice in the same match was produced by him.
I am not blaming Peter but it is becoming a reccuring pattern with him when he is producing Dmg Cntrls stuff that it never turns out well.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 2, 2022 18:42:08 GMT -5
Well maybe if they actually spelled out the word Control instead of stupidly abbreviating it, I’d be more empathetic.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 2, 2022 18:48:45 GMT -5
Oh and something else abou the DMG Controll booking that I initially wanted to write off as just a thing is now becoming a very reccuring. When Dmg Controll has gotten good/favorable booking it has been when Molly Holly produces their stuff. When they get the crappy end of the stick it is Petey Williams ...and another thing when Petey is the one producing it is IYO that gets the worst of it....both matches with Bianca and this past monday where she basically go beat twice in the same match was produced by him. I am not blaming Peter but it is becoming a reccuring pattern with him when he is producing Dmg Cntrls stuff that it never turns out well. Never trust a guy who created a convoluted-but-somehow popular move.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Nov 3, 2022 13:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by canceled4truth on Nov 3, 2022 16:59:25 GMT -5
I love Iyo playing defense by dancing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 21:23:31 GMT -5
I love Iyo playing defense by dancing So that explains things , they don't really want wrestling titles. They want the world cup! IYO's unstoppable moonwalk defence guarantees victory!
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Post by gl83 on Nov 4, 2022 7:54:13 GMT -5
Could see Dakota/IYO winning it back at Crown Jewel as it creates a story point and some suspense heading into the LWS match of this possibly being the night that Damage Ctrl finally "takes total control". Not to mention it sets up a rematch the following Raw, which probably ends in a non-finish and sparks the typical "War Games brawl". It is what I expect has been the plan for them to win the titles all in one night but all this has done is hurt DC becase none of this was necesarry. IYO and Dakota should still be womens tag champs and Bayley IMO should have won at Extreme Rules. But instead just did more harm just getting here because he needs the moment of all of them winning titles on the same night. I see many thinking Asuka/Alexa retain since they wouldn’t want to “hot potato” the tag titles. But, if true it makes no sense because if the plan was for Asuka/Alexa to be the tag champions going forward, they could’ve done the switch at Crown Jewel. Not to mention, it not being a good idea since Damage Ctrl are pretty much your only Heel team, so it’s not like it will freshen things up.
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Post by mistery on Nov 4, 2022 9:12:23 GMT -5
It is what I expect has been the plan for them to win the titles all in one night but all this has done is hurt DC becase none of this was necesarry. IYO and Dakota should still be womens tag champs and Bayley IMO should have won at Extreme Rules. But instead just did more harm just getting here because he needs the moment of all of them winning titles on the same night. I see many thinking Asuka/Alexa retain since they wouldn’t want to “hot potato” the tag titles. But, if true it makes no sense because if the plan was for Asuka/Alexa to be the tag champions going forward, they could’ve done the switch at Crown Jewel. Not to mention, it not being a good idea since Damage Ctrl are pretty much your only Heel team, so it’s not like it will freshen things up. I don't think Triple H has put any sort of thought into this, to be honest. If Damage CTRL loses all of their matches tomorrow, then stick a fork in them, they are completely cooked as a group. There's no way you can build them up to be credible for a War Games match, and might as well just cancel the women's one this year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 9:19:37 GMT -5
I would love to be able to know ahead of time who is producing the tag and the last woman standing match because if it is Petey Williams welp reccuring history says Dmg Cntrl is done.
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Post by mistery on Nov 4, 2022 9:48:06 GMT -5
Posted about it in the CJ thread, but Alexa was the most over woman in the press conference today, followed by Asuka. And then Damage CTRL. And then bringing up the rear was Bianca.
Bianca was getting intense heat while Bayley was getting pretty large babyface pops, despite mainly being a heel still. Basically Damage CTRL are going to be the babyfaces entering tomorrow's events.
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Post by J is Justice on Nov 4, 2022 10:08:13 GMT -5
Posted about it in the CJ thread, but Alexa was the most over woman in the press conference today, followed by Asuka. And then Damage CTRL. And then bringing up the rear was Bianca. Bianca was getting intense heat while Bayley was getting pretty large babyface pops, despite mainly being a heel still. Basically Damage CTRL are going to be the babyfaces entering tomorrow's events. Alexa was also the most over in the chamber match, from what I remember.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 4, 2022 13:34:43 GMT -5
I see Bliss and Asuka keeping the tag titles and Bayley winning the world title. That’ll lead to War Games where Bianca will come out on top.
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Post by mistery on Nov 4, 2022 13:50:08 GMT -5
I see Bliss and Asuka keeping the tag titles and Bayley winning the world title. That’ll lead to War Games where Bianca will come out on top. Eh. I can see Damage CTRL getting all of the gold at Saudi Arabia, and the babyfaces coming out on top in War Games. Otherwise I think Damage CTRL is coming out on top at War Games no matter what if even one person/team (Bianca or Alexa/Asuka) retains. Because I still feel like the end goal of this group is them controlling the entire division, even if its only for a month or two. So basically it's all or nothing for Damage CTRL. And if they don't win at Crown Jewel, the group is dead. Like unsalvageable dead. And it would not be a reach to say that Iyo and Dakota's main roster careers will be severely harmed because of this feud with Bianca. Because the babyfaces have had the last laugh whenever it mattered the most. And in the case of Bayley, if she loses here, her time as a top heel in the division is done. Or as a credible threat at all.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 4, 2022 14:29:54 GMT -5
I don't see Bayley winning entirely because I can't see them letting her get a leg-up on Bianca on three shows in a row.
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