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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 30, 2022 14:58:45 GMT -5
Is Rollins a heel anymore though. Seems like he's a face now because "don't worry about it!". At least they’re rolling with it without too much shift in his character instead doing what they used to do and fight against the tide and take away his catchy theme or something. Seth’s thing works in that he can irritate heels now rather than faces.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 30, 2022 18:11:47 GMT -5
Like, when they debuted, they felt like a HHH project, a way of getting talented he saw something in that were booked well in NXT and tried to make them into something more on the main roster to harken back to those times.
And it’s just weird to me how quickly they seemed to go off the tracks by the sort of things Vince would have done with NXT call ups of that nature.
I’m saying they’re Sanity, basically.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 30, 2022 18:17:16 GMT -5
Putting them up against Bianca immediately was not a great move in retrospect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 18:34:02 GMT -5
Putting them against the top women out the gate was great.
Too bad he never let the group actually get over on Bianca and this is what killed them.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 30, 2022 18:53:50 GMT -5
I mean Bianca is really the type of babyface that a new great will do well against. Because she’s booked TOO strong for that (and her selling isn’t good enough either).
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 30, 2022 23:21:55 GMT -5
Putting them up against Bianca immediately was not a great move in retrospect. Problem is, there was literally nobody else TO put them against. Lynch was injured, they basically feuded with Asuka and Bliss as part of the thing with Belair anyway, and LeRae and Yim hadn't returned yet themselves. That leaves Dana Brooke as the only remaining actual babyface and designated tweener Tamina. At least Belair is the top champion. F***s sake, would we really in our heart of hearts, preferred Damage CTRL to have an extended actual feud with two women who had spent the better part of the last year IN THE 24/7 DIVISION?! Because that would be all that's left for them if not Belair. Unless we just wanted them beating enhancement talents for four months. Like is that it? Forget any actual feud, just win matches over ham-and-egger scrubs forever? Sure, it might not be creatively fulfilling, but at least you all can sleep at night knowing your favourites would never know the agony of defeat.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 30, 2022 23:31:17 GMT -5
Like, when they debuted, they felt like a HHH project, a way of getting talented he saw something in that were booked well in NXT and tried to make them into something more on the main roster to harken back to those times. And it’s just weird to me how quickly they seemed to go off the tracks by the sort of things Vince would have done with NXT call ups of that nature. I’m saying they’re Sanity, basically. Not really. They’ve still been pushed at the top of the card and featured prominently including several main events, they just haven’t been winning as much as people would like and so they’re seen as a little weaker than they could be. Sanity barely existed on the main roster.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 1, 2022 1:24:44 GMT -5
“A little weaker” is an understatement.
They cannot even beat up one person when they have a 3 on 1 advantage.
Toxic Attraction feel like more of a threat than these women three.
WWE has a really bad habit these days of booking a handful of wrestlers as nigh unbeatable and WOW does it make things boring after awhile.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 1:30:28 GMT -5
Like, when they debuted, they felt like a HHH project, a way of getting talented he saw something in that were booked well in NXT and tried to make them into something more on the main roster to harken back to those times. And it’s just weird to me how quickly they seemed to go off the tracks by the sort of things Vince would have done with NXT call ups of that nature. I’m saying they’re Sanity, basically. Not really. They’ve still been pushed at the top of the card and featured prominently including several main events, they just haven’t been winning as much as people would like and so they’re seen as a little weaker than they could be. Sanity barely existed on the main roster. "A little weaker"? Dude Bianca has single handedly cleared them multiple times, and now Becky single handedly cleared them on RAW Like yeah they won the tag belts, a shame the tag belts are a paperweight and are treated like shit too, but this is beyond a little weaker They were built up as a big deal and booking failed them. They've just been the fall girls to bigger stars, especially Bianca, and now Becky. They just don't feel important anymore, not saying they can't with some rehab, but they just keep looking worse, and I'm far from the first person to say it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 1:46:49 GMT -5
It's not like it would have hurt Bianca whatsoever to have dropped the title to Bayley for a couple of months even if she got it back in the end. But the current in vogue thing in wrestling is, "No title reign ever f***ing ends," so we need Bianca flogging the bodies of people she already killed months ago because she's already beaten everyone there is to beat yet the reign can't just goddamn end.
I really don't know how seemingly everyone in wrestling decided that year-long at minimum status quos for every single belt that actually mattered was a good idea. It makes every single thing about the industry so goddamn boring and keeps anyone from building any sort of momentum. Roman, Bron, Mandy, Bianca, Jade, the Usos, what they're clearly gearing up for with MJF, Josh Alexander, it's all trash.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 2:03:24 GMT -5
If i'm in charge (number one, war games never would've happened, but since they did do it, then none of the people in the wargames match would've been doing anything physical on raw to at least sell the wargames match, but if I'm in charge as things stand right now today), get a couple of the nxt bottom of the barrel "who is that?" girls that no one knows who they are, put them in masks so no one knows who they are so you can use them later as themselves, and have damage control win a couple of jobber squash matches for the next couple of weeks.
1) it will buy time for a couple of weeks to figure out what you actually want to do with them moving forward 2) it will let the audience actually see them win a match for the first time in months, and the commentary can talk about how they are turning things around and finding their footing again, so you can try to rebuild them back up. "They've had a streak of bad luck lately, so they had to take a step back and regain their confidence and moves, and knowing what it's like to win again, so they took a couple of warm up matches to get into practice again", etc
Otherwise, what else is there other than going from bianca beating them all by herself to becky beating them all by herself? Bianca and Becky are superhuman faces that can beat everyone by themselves, the top three supposed bad guys are punching bags that lose every week, and everyone else is just hanging out with nothing to do. Unless they (meaning creative) do something big the next show or two, raw is stuck in a holding pattern at the moment. Bianca has no challengers for the title, the tag titles have no challengers and are currently held by the people that are losing all the time, bianca's "I beat up the bad guys by myself" got transferred to becky, and everyone else has nothing to do.
They can't attack becky to cause a match, because she just beat two of them in a match saturday, and then beat them up 1 against 3 on monday and beat them up with paper signs and t-shirts, so if they jump becky and attack her 3 on 1 and gain the upperhand, there's no suspense in the result of the actual match that would result from that. They'd have becky vs the three of them, like she's giant gonzalez against three jobbers, or do summerslam 1991 with bianca and becky as hulk and warrior, vs the three damage control as the triangle of terror. They've lost to everyone on the show but rhea ripley and nikki cross, so you need to build up their credibility and start over again with them. And use everyone else on the show, if you have them backstage already anyway, use them instead of having them twiddle their thumbs. Alexa and Asuka went from challenging for the tag titles, to not caring about that anymore and are just following bianca around behind her. half of the tag champions is getting into a singles program with this new candice girl. I would have mia and rhea do a couple of interviews, to explain to the audience their issue with each other and their character motivations, to explain why do they want to have a match with each other. On raw, the bad guy beat the good guy with a clean pin in the middle of the ring, so how are they going to come back next week and have another match, especially after having everyone on both sides involved in this match, so how can they come back on the next show and say "this wasn't resolved, we need another match" when the bad guys won clean and everyone on both sides were in the match. you need somewhere to build on for future matches.
I have a lot of things that I would do to change the show around (the usual stuff that I always complain about that needs fixing with current wrestling overall), but that would at least be a start to fix the immediate hole that they are in. You have two superheroes with becky and bianca, your three supposed bad guys haven't won anything in ages and are punching bags every show, and everyone else is just "there" with nothing going on.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 1, 2022 2:34:17 GMT -5
“A little weaker” is an understatement. They cannot even beat up one person when they have a 3 on 1 advantage. Toxic Attraction feel like more of a threat than these women three. WWE has a really bad habit these days of booking a handful of wrestlers as nigh unbeatable and WOW does it make things boring after awhile. Don't think it matters which group you toss at Becky or Bianca on the Road to WrestleMania. With Becky having to remain strong in lieu of facing Ronda Rousey and Bianca having to remain strong in lieu of facing Charlotte or Rhea Ripley, no faction is going to look good against them. I mean Raquel on her own with Aliyah cheerleading on the apron was enough to lay waste to both Gigi & Jacy, and she ain't in the same league as Becky and Bianca.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 1, 2022 5:19:29 GMT -5
I guess maybe they would be in a better spot if targeted just Asuka and Alexa at first. Two bigger names who are very established so it means something to beat them but at the same time aren't too high in the pecking order at this point that they won't be unwilling to sacrifice them to a new heel act.
However the problem is then who do you team with Asuka and Alexa other then Bianca as you have to give Bayley a rival and putting Dana Brooke across from her isn't going to cut it. And then also who you have Bianca feud with if she isn't going to be involved in that feud? Even if in a perfect world Becky doesn't get hurt her and Bianca had been done to death and they were turning her face anyways. Rhea was also injured at the time so you can't go to her either. They got to go over on Bianca and friends at CATC to give them a statement win and they've been working high on the card. Bianca and Becky are just bigger stars and bigger priorities then them and even on the heel side there's much more money with Rhea then Damage CTRL. So having Bianca or Becky taking L's to Damage CTRL hurts future programs with Rhea which is where the real money is.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 2, 2022 21:31:30 GMT -5
Lost again on Smackdown to Liv Morgan and a returning Tegan Nox
It's just getting to the point of parody
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Post by mistery on Dec 2, 2022 21:35:51 GMT -5
Lost again on Smackdown to Liv Morgan and a returning Tegan Nox It's just getting to the point of parody Got ran off (not lost), but I agree. Like...Liv can take an L, and Tegan Nox is never, ever going to be over. WWE has been trying for god knows how long to get her over and literally no one cares about her. Damage CTRL is going to have literally no credibility and I can't see Iyo or Dakota having any sort of real future because they are just constantly and nonstop being geeked out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 21:51:45 GMT -5
This is probably jinxing it but hey can't possibly get any worse.
This atleast seems like a feud they can actually win...because Liv and Tegan lose nothing by losing to the losiest group of losers this side of loserville.
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Post by mistery on Dec 2, 2022 21:58:53 GMT -5
This is probably jinxing it but hey can't possibly get any worse. This atleast seems like a feud they can actually win...because Liv and Tegan lose nothing by losing to the losiest group of losers this side of loserville. I think the end goal is Liv and Tegan getting the tag titles, just to appease the very vocal Liv stans. While Damage CTRL gets buried ten feet under by Becky in the process. Damage CTRL, especially Iyo, has no real support among fans anymore, because Triple H completely botched their booking. And the amount of vitriol among a fairly large chunk of the fanbase I've seen directed at Iyo in particular is pretty awful.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 2, 2022 22:01:07 GMT -5
I'm kind of of two minds on it in that on one hand Liv and Tegan are two people you can comfortably get away with beating like a drum at every turn without them being any less credible than they are now (because they're not, like, at all) but at the same time even if Damage CTRL do win then, what, do they defend the belts against the zero other existing tag teams?
Really just best off ditching the stupid belts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 22:07:43 GMT -5
The best thing for Dmg Cntrl right now is pretty much drop the tag titles they are just useless props now in an empty division.
And them splitting them up and actually do things with them individually...not saying this is a sure thing but them on their own has to be better than whatever they are now.
Especially for IYO since she thrives way better on her own...and with her getting back her in-ring timing etc she is more than suited to start doing her own thing.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 2, 2022 22:14:37 GMT -5
The best thing for Dmg Cntrl right now is pretty much drop the tag titles they are just useless props now in an empty division. And them splitting them up and actually do things with them individually...not saying this is a sure thing but them on their own has to be better than whatever they are now. Especially for IYO since she thrives way better on her own...and with her getting back her in-ring timing etc she is more than suited to start doing her own thing.
I could be wrong, but I think Dakota's probably going to get pretty consistent TV time after they disband. She'll probably have a similar gatekeeper role to what she had in NXT, where she's not necessarily challenging for titles on a regular basis, but is still credible and wrestles often.
As for tonight:
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