|
Post by theironyuppie on Feb 28, 2023 0:14:58 GMT -5
Are they even still doing the Draft? They didn't do one last year and now I'm wondering if they even bother to give a shit about it given how much crossover both brands now seem to be having. The last set of rumors out there about it is that there will be a draft after Mania. But it doesn't matter who moves where, they will just get fed to Bianca (I think she's retaining at Mania because WWE is incredibly high on her despite the fact that she's cooled off dramatically because she is awful at promos) or the winner of Rhea/Charlotte. I agree on Bianca likely retaining, though I'd argue another reason she's cooled is that her matches are just built around her being strong now, so it's diminishing returns because they're not even building well to her stuff at the end of the match. My feeling is that Charlotte's Raw-bound after Mania (unless she's busy finally filming Walking Tall) to dethrone her, which won't be popular but also might be the way they can keep people feeling sympathetic for Bianca despite a generally boring reign.
|
|
|
Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 28, 2023 0:21:45 GMT -5
Even if it's maybe not planned as of now I can see them maybe sticking Sky and Kai in that match for a three way just mainly out of necessity. Becky/Lita against Ronda/Shanya is going to be a train wreck unless they really structure it well as Lita is super limited and Ronda is very hit or miss depending on her opponent and Becky isn't someone I see her meshing well with. Also even Shayna while good isn't someone I see working well in that environment as she excels being a methodical bully who dishes out painful offense not being a pinball for the two legend babyfaces. On paper Iyo and Dakota would be like the best opponents possible in a situation like that in that they are both small girls who can bump and yet the match tonight stunk. I can't even imagine how it would be with Ronda and Shayna. They would probably have to have it with Becky working almost the whole match mainly with Shayna, Ronda coming in on the heat to hit some moves, and then Lita getting the hot tag and making a comeback before Ronda makes her tap to the armbar. That would be the best way to do it and even then it would probably still be pretty rough. Controversial opinion, but I think that issue with Becky/Ronda is a big reason why Charlotte was still involved in the WM 35 main event. They structured a lot of that match to avoid Becky/Ronda sequences, and the ones they had (especially the messed up finishing sequence) weren't good.
I don't think you are wrong with that observation. I've noticed Ronda tends to work better with women who are more natural athletes like Charlotte or Raquel Rodriguezl Women who are big, strong, and can move well and are able to do the stuff Ronda is good at. However when she's in with there the likes of Becky or Bayley who are good professional wrestlers but aren't super athletically gifted then it tends to suck. I'm kind of curious how Ronda would do against Bianca, Rhea, and Asuka. I think those are three other opponents I could her meshing well with that she hasn't worked yet. I know Asuka isn't that big or a power hoss or anything like the other examples I gave but she's also really quick and a heavy hitter which I could see working well with Ronda.
|
|
|
Post by theironyuppie on Feb 28, 2023 0:56:35 GMT -5
Controversial opinion, but I think that issue with Becky/Ronda is a big reason why Charlotte was still involved in the WM 35 main event. They structured a lot of that match to avoid Becky/Ronda sequences, and the ones they had (especially the messed up finishing sequence) weren't good.
I don't think you are wrong with that observation. I've noticed Ronda tends to work better with women who are more natural athletes like Charlotte or Raquel Rodriguezl Women who are big, strong, and can move well and are able to do the stuff Ronda is good at. However when she's in with there the likes of Becky or Bayley who are good professional wrestlers but aren't super athletically gifted then it tends to suck. I'm kind of curious how Ronda would do against Bianca, Rhea, and Asuka. I think those are three other opponents I could her meshing well with that she hasn't worked yet. I know Asuka isn't that big or a power hoss or anything like the other examples I gave but she's also really quick and a heavy hitter which I could see working well with Ronda.
Yeah, Ronda's openly said she likes working with bigger/more athletic women. It's why she and Nia had shockingly good chemistry in 2018. She's also been mentioning Rhea as a potential opponent for her since early 2020, and I believe she's subsequently mentioned Bianca too.
|
|
Mochi Lone Wolf
Fry's dog Seymour
Development through Destruction.
Posts: 24,153
|
Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 28, 2023 1:27:12 GMT -5
Feel kind of sorry for Bayley and Dakota. Don't feel sorry at all for Shirai. She could have gone elsewhere to avoid this but she decided to kick Lucy's football again.
|
|
Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
FANatic
Writer, Lover of all things Wrestling. Analytical, Critical, Lovable (hopefully). Lets all have fun!
Posts: 245,249
|
Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 28, 2023 1:34:05 GMT -5
Feel kind of sorry for Bayley and Dakota. Don't feel sorry at all for Shirai. She could have gone elsewhere to avoid this but she decided to kick Lucy's football again. Well the prospect of being called up, no Vince, and being put in a premiere faction and getting the tag belts ON PAPER sounded like a pretty good reason to stay for someone imo The problem is... it only sounded good "On Paper" in the end, and HHH hasn't delivered.
|
|
Mochi Lone Wolf
Fry's dog Seymour
Development through Destruction.
Posts: 24,153
|
Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 28, 2023 1:36:01 GMT -5
Feel kind of sorry for Bayley and Dakota. Don't feel sorry at all for Shirai. She could have gone elsewhere to avoid this but she decided to kick Lucy's football again. Well the prospect of being called up, no Vince, and being put in a premiere faction and getting the tag belts ON PAPER sounded like a pretty good reason to stay for someone imo The problem is... it only sounded good "On Paper" in the end, and HHH hasn't delivered. People were telling me that Huntor was going to be the savior of WWE. I guess he is just another out of touch suit in WWE. Who'd have thunk?
|
|
Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
FANatic
Writer, Lover of all things Wrestling. Analytical, Critical, Lovable (hopefully). Lets all have fun!
Posts: 245,249
|
Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 28, 2023 1:38:31 GMT -5
Well the prospect of being called up, no Vince, and being put in a premiere faction and getting the tag belts ON PAPER sounded like a pretty good reason to stay for someone imo The problem is... it only sounded good "On Paper" in the end, and HHH hasn't delivered. People were telling me that Huntor was going to be the savior of WWE. I guess he is just another out of touch suit in WWE. Who'd have thunk? I didn't think Hunter would save WWE, but for awhile, he wasn't doing awful and things weren't looking too bad But then Vince regained control, and whether or not he's actually back in creative power, his presence back in WWE seemed to undo a lot of what HHH was TRYING to build Even then I don't blame Io for trying out a main roster run finally, it's not her fault booking fed Damage CTRL to Bianca to the point they just were completely bitched out and now we're at the point they lost to Lita moving at the speed of a Zootopia Sloth.
|
|
Schizo
Dennis Stamp
Posts: 3,915
Member is Online
|
Post by Schizo on Feb 28, 2023 1:43:56 GMT -5
What I find funny with all this talk about Iyo Sky needing to leave WWE, she’s being buried!!, I don’t feel sorry for her, she could of left, they’re treating her like crap, she doesn’t belong in WWE yadda yadda, is that, she, herself could be having the time of her life in WWE and as far as I know, haven’t given any indication that she’s unhappy in WWE, and just the case of the internet overblowing everything again. If she was truly unhappy with her position in the company, she would of left.
|
|
|
Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 28, 2023 1:58:17 GMT -5
What I find funny with all this talk about Iyo Sky needing to leave WWE, she’s being buried!!, I don’t feel sorry for her, she could of left, they’re treating her like crap, she doesn’t belong in WWE yadda yadda, is that, she, herself could be having the time of her life in WWE and as far as I know, haven’t given any indication that she’s unhappy in WWE, and just the case of the internet overblowing everything again. If she was truly unhappy with her position in the company, she would of left. All things considered, she may not have been in a position to leave, what, rehabbing a major ankle injury and all that. Plus the injury time that would've been added to her contract. But I get your point. OK, she's not being booked great right now, but does that instantly mean "ruined forever"? No. That great heel run and character change in NXT, that came after a babyface run that didn't set the world on fire and wasn't booked great. It's not impossible, unless you think Vince is already back in full writing control in which case there's nothing any of us can say that will change one's mind on that. And for someone to not be "ruined forever" in WWE, do they have to literally win every match, look strong in every angle and never look weak? What is that doing for Bianca Belair right now except get her a heaping helping of scorn and anger from pissed off fans of other wrestlers? If we're always going to take issue with how WWE books the roster as a collective, we can't pitch solutions that focus around the push of the individual wrestler. OK, let's put the rocket on Iyo Sky. Awesome. ONE WRESTLER gets pushed good, what about the other 99?
|
|
|
Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 28, 2023 3:28:33 GMT -5
I also could possibly see them having Becky & Lita vs Ronda & Shayna vs Damage CTRL for the tag titles at WM Given how they've been putting focus on Carmella, and the team formation tonight, I think they'd add Chelsea and Carmella to the match to make it a fatal fourway. Let Chelsea and Carmella do character work, bump, and do some funny spots. And it lessens the load on Lita. Really in the entire time she's been back I don't think Iyo's done much of anything to signify even why she should get a singles push. Even ignoring how rough the material around the group has been she really hasn't been bringing it in the ring. I feel for her because like Bayley, she was coming back from a long-term injury, but she hasn't looked that great in-ring, no. Which is a shame because so much of what she is is about her ring-work. I feel Kota has a place regardless because after a little time getting back up to pace, she's settled into her bump machine role, and has been doing fun character work when she gets the chance. But she's still gotten the best work out of Alexa since Alexa returned.
|
|
gl83
Hank Scorpio
Posts: 5,232
|
Post by gl83 on Feb 28, 2023 4:07:20 GMT -5
I also could possibly see them having Becky & Lita vs Ronda & Shayna vs Damage CTRL for the tag titles at WM Given how they've been putting focus on Carmella, and the team formation tonight, I think they'd add Chelsea and Carmella to the match to make it a fatal fourway. Let Chelsea and Carmella do character work, bump, and do some funny spots. And it lessens the load on Lita. I feel for her because like Bayley, she was coming back from a long-term injury, but she hasn't looked that great in-ring, no. Which is a shame because so much of what she is is about her ring-work. I feel Kota has a place regardless because after a little time getting back up to pace, she's settled into her bump machine role, and has been doing fun character work when she gets the chance. But she's still gotten the best work out of Alexa since Alexa returned. I feel like Carmella & Chelsea are going to be fed to Bianca & Asuka in a couple weeks in a “Can these 2 co-exist” tag team match.
|
|
|
Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 28, 2023 4:50:55 GMT -5
I find it hard to reconcile the idea that Damage Ctrl have been booked into oblivion to the point their WWE careers may be unsalvageable... but they have to be on the WM card.
|
|
|
Post by papagiorgio on Feb 28, 2023 6:37:03 GMT -5
It seems like they are setting up Becky & Lita vs Ronda & Shayna vs Damage CTRL for the tag titles with a 4th possible team and Bayley vs. Trish Stratus in singles. Those aren't bad matches, but Damage CTRL isn't winning either. I would have kept the tag titles on them until Wrestlemania, but it would have probably been the same tag match and result, and one of them eating a pin or submitting to Rhonda.
I could easily see the group separating shortly after Wrestlemania after their losses.
|
|
|
Post by polarbearpete on Feb 28, 2023 7:35:18 GMT -5
Well the prospect of being called up, no Vince, and being put in a premiere faction and getting the tag belts ON PAPER sounded like a pretty good reason to stay for someone imo The problem is... it only sounded good "On Paper" in the end, and HHH hasn't delivered. People were telling me that Huntor was going to be the savior of WWE. I guess he is just another out of touch suit in WWE. Who'd have thunk? Or nobody books perfectly? There’s also the fact that Iyo has looked mediocre in the ring on the main roster for some reason.
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,783
|
Post by fw91 on Feb 28, 2023 7:36:02 GMT -5
Well the prospect of being called up, no Vince, and being put in a premiere faction and getting the tag belts ON PAPER sounded like a pretty good reason to stay for someone imo The problem is... it only sounded good "On Paper" in the end, and HHH hasn't delivered. People were telling me that Huntor was going to be the savior of WWE. I guess he is just another out of touch suit in WWE. Who'd have thunk? Imo, it just didn’t work out. They had a lengthy reign, and the crowd didn’t care much about them. Don’t really think WWE needs saving here. It’s not like they came up and did nothing.
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 39,783
|
Post by fw91 on Feb 28, 2023 7:38:22 GMT -5
People were telling me that Huntor was going to be the savior of WWE. I guess he is just another out of touch suit in WWE. Who'd have thunk? Or nobody books perfectly? There’s also the fact that Iyo has looked mediocre in the ring on the main roster for some reason. Main roster is just a different Enviornment. Idk if it’s the style contrasts in presentation or differences within the audience, but from my perspective, The square pegs show more often.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,987
|
Post by Mozenrath on Feb 28, 2023 7:41:00 GMT -5
It seems like they are setting up Becky & Lita vs Ronda & Shayna vs Damage CTRL for the tag titles with a 4th possible team and Bayley vs. Trish Stratus in singles. Those aren't bad matches, but Damage CTRL isn't winning either. I would have kept the tag titles on them until Wrestlemania, but it would have probably been the same tag match and result, and one of them eating a pin or submitting to Rhonda. I could easily see the group separating shortly after Wrestlemania after their losses. I imagine they wanted to give Lita a title reign, especially if she's maybe going to get mauled by Ronda if the idea is that this is building to Becky vs Ronda after a billion years. But yes, if CTRL come up short (and they probably will if this match happens), then that's a good catalyst for a breakup.
|
|
|
Post by koreycaskets on Feb 28, 2023 7:43:38 GMT -5
Dakota is still my fav female wrestler on the main roster and all but if they are taking the titles off Damage CTRL...Why break up Toxic Attraction? Bring them in as faces to take the Woman's Tag Titles. It is what is it...
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 28, 2023 8:11:20 GMT -5
SRS thought the tag team match was so badly done that now even he's wondering if Vince is back in full creative control lmfao I hate to be this guy and me doing this isn't a shot at you, but SRS didn't think that. That's not who said that during the live stream. That was Denise Salcedo. SRS actually said that he still thinks HHH has final say. From the video - about 3 minutes and 38 seconds in: SRS: "I think 99% he has input on things but I feel like Triple H does have final say." Denise: "Look man, I really truly think that there's no way Vince's touch isn't on this show...We're 33 days away from Wrestlemania. We are WrestleMania season and got this episode of RAW? Aside from two, maybe three things, this show was not good." Here are Sean's comments on the tag match, which happened later in the show - about 1 hour and ten minutes in: SRS: "Lita did not look great in the ring. She's gotta get her legs underneath her for sure. There was some struggling there going on. Becky was carrying a lot. Trish Stratus runs in toward the end, it is an overbooked mess, I thought." He then threw it to Denise who kind of acknowledged that Lita wasn't great despite the fact that Denise likes her a lot. Then she threw it back to SRS. "SRS: I thought she [Lita] did great last year. They killed it at Crown Jewel or whatever." I saw you talking about it with a poster in another thread and I think that's maybe where you got it from, so wanted to call it out. The poster you got that information from has a very, very bad habit of either outright misinterpreting Meltzer and other journalists or just straight up taking things out of context and bending the truth to make points about their favorites. In this case, the poster said it was "SRS being flabbergasted at how bad the tag match was and that he wouldn't be surprised that Vince was in control" over in the RAW thread and as far as I can see, that kind of feels like a lie to me. SRS never said anything about the finish of the tag match making him think Vince was in control. Sure, he said it was bad, but I think there were some liberties taken when describing who said what. It keeps freaking happening which is why I go as far as transcribing stuff sometimes. I'm all for open discussions about this stuff and respectful discussion when we've all got different opinions, but it drives me crazy when people just exaggerate or fabricate stuff that a reporter says to give their point some credence.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 8:41:19 GMT -5
I am flabbergasted I walked into a thread that blows up with alot of talk about IYO being mediocore..WTF
The woman was not even fully healed when she returned and this is evidenced by those early matches where she clearly had not wrestled for however many months prior and currently has metal bolts in her foot which going by a photo posted couple months back you could still see how fresh the surgical scars still were on her foot. Going by what I have read about the healing time for a broken foot that requires surgery and the bolts she will have the choice to have them removed after a year and that is if the bone has healed correctly so it wont surprise me if she dissapears from TV in the not so distant future to have the bolts removed.
But also of all the women atleast on the main roster IYO is the one you can look at it and see whether it is by choice or whatever she is holding back like 90% of the time beause most of her matches right now consist of her just bumping....that is literally all she did lastnight apart from her moonsaults.
I mean this is a woman who had not even gotten her footing back yet is the only one to get anything remotely decent out of Alexa Bliss in the era of talk that Alexa is completely done and this also ties back into IYO holding back because against Alexa she clearly got to dictate and basically call that stuff with bliss which is why those two worked as well as they did together and it was faster paced and the same with the brief sprints with Asuka in which speed and hitting their marks with next to no hesitation was not an issue at all.
Is it the STARDOM version if IYO? no and IMO it isn't because clearly she still can be when she gets to work the pace favorable to her but when she has to slog down with the rest of sloths she can't be , hell the Candice match was basically an extremely condenced version of their iconic takeover match which was the closest IYO has ever gotten to be her true self in the ring.
Sorry for that rant but if there is gonna be some talk about IYO freaking Shirai being mediocore I feel it atleast deserves perspective and context IMO.
|
|