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Post by gl83 on Oct 8, 2022 22:05:33 GMT -5
They haven't been booked like absolute trash. They're tag champs and the only real reason they booked Bianca to win is because otherwise there's only ONE babyface champ and it's Lashley. And the crowd still gives a shit about Damage CTRL and they still will on Monday. So yeah, it can easily be argued against. Ah yes, tag champs who had to CHEAT to beat Aliyah. ALIYAH. And had to cheat last Monday as well. And lost in less than 2.5 minutes to Raquel last Friday. They are completely ineffective. They've only stood tall TWICE since debuting on the main roster BACK IN JULY. Every other time they've been ran off by Bianca or Shotzi. Hell, two weeks ago, we saw Bianca completely steamroll Iyo dominating like 95% of the match and no selling all of her offense. For a group that is supposed to be a big threat for the other women, they certainly aren't portrayed as one! No wonder Sasha & Naomi aren't in any hurry to come back. Them vs Damage Ctrl could've been a hot program, but they've been chumped out so much, they're basically on the same level as Carmella and Zelina were.
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Post by mistery on Oct 8, 2022 22:13:59 GMT -5
Ah yes, tag champs who had to CHEAT to beat Aliyah. ALIYAH. And had to cheat last Monday as well. And lost in less than 2.5 minutes to Raquel last Friday. They are completely ineffective. They've only stood tall TWICE since debuting on the main roster BACK IN JULY. Every other time they've been ran off by Bianca or Shotzi. Hell, two weeks ago, we saw Bianca completely steamroll Iyo dominating like 95% of the match and no selling all of her offense. For a group that is supposed to be a big threat for the other women, they certainly aren't portrayed as one! No wonder Sasha & Naomi aren't in any hurry to come back. Them vs Damage Ctrl could've been a hot program, but they've been chumped out so much, they're basically on the same level as Carmella and Zelina were. Yeah. If I'm Sasha and Naomi, I'm staying as far away from this trashfire as possible. It's blatantly obvious WWE didn't learn their lesson the first time around. Hell, it might have actually gotten worse, because I remember a key reason they walked out is because they didn't want to be cannon fodder for the singles champions at the time. Except Iyo and Dakota were completely destroyed by Bianca all on her own.
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 8, 2022 22:26:04 GMT -5
They basically got completely buried tonight. Not only did Bayley lose in a match she picked. But Bianca took out all three of them by herself. Turns out Asuka and Alexa got beaten up for nothing because Bianca never needed their help.
It is impossible to take them seriously as threats now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2022 22:29:50 GMT -5
I knew this was going to happen once Charlotte put it out there publicly that when she returns she wants to face Bianca for the Raw womens title...that sealed the deal.
Idk what you do with this group now other than just straight up blow the entire thing up tommorow night because Bianca SINGLE HANDEDLY has chumped them out by herself ...that has done so much harm that idk what you do now other than just blow up the group and just do something with the women individually.
And it really f***ing sucks because all three women desreve so much f***ing better than being chumped out the way they have and if this was what they were doing to do with IYO and Dakota this whole time idk why the f*** they even bothered making the effort to bring them back other than preventing them from heading to other companies.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 8, 2022 22:30:58 GMT -5
They're pretty much done, Bianca was still about to beat all three of them by herself.
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Post by mistery on Oct 8, 2022 22:38:37 GMT -5
I knew this was going to happen once Charlotte put it out there publicly that when she returns she wants to face Bianca for the Raw womens title...that sealed the deal. Idk what you do with this group now other than just straight up blow the entire thing up tommorow night because Bianca SINGLE HANDEDLY has chumped them out by herself ...that has done so much harm that idk what you do now other than just blow up the group and just do something with the women individually. And it really f***ing sucks because all three women desreve so much f***ing better than being chumped out the way they have and if this was what they were doing to do with IYO and Dakota this whole time idk why the f*** they even bothered making the effort to bring them back other than preventing them from heading to other companies. Dakota coming back was likely a make good on the part of Triple H, and Iyo being around still is probably a Nick Khan call as he desperately wants a brand ambassador for Japanese markets. And Asuka and Shinsuke's star power over there are either nonexistent (Asuka was never actually popular over there), or severely diminished (Shinsuke Nakamura). But I do agree that Dakota was definitely on her way to working STARDOM or AEW before that. And Iyo was pretty much set on moving back to Japan to either wrestle for STARDOM or retire. This makes me think they might be having second thoughts right now, because they are completely buried and their credibility is shot to pieces. No amount of rehab can fix them at this point, and WWE sent a very clear message tonight in that you shouldn't take them seriously as threats. And it's all because Triple H fails to realize that Bianca's booking is actively harmful to the division, and anyone she feuds with. At this point, I fully expect her to take out not only Rhea, but all of Judgement Day at the same time.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Oct 8, 2022 22:39:36 GMT -5
I'm gonna remember this when Rhea wins and Damage CTRL go on an absolute tear.
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Post by mistery on Oct 8, 2022 22:42:18 GMT -5
I'm gonna remember this when Rhea wins and Damage CTRL go on an absolute tear. You do that, because you seem to be the only person here (or in general) who seems to think they weren't harmed tonight. And if Damage CTRL was to go on a tear, tonight would have been the night to do it. But the damage (no pun intended) has been done, and the group is toast. This is definitely the biggest blemish on the group, and one I don't see them overcoming, especially since Bianca can take them out on her own even with an injury.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 8, 2022 22:44:27 GMT -5
Watch, they focus now on Smackdown and taking out Ronda instead.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Oct 8, 2022 22:44:31 GMT -5
But the crowd cheered Bianca guys! Everything is fine. Because the crowd cheered.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 8, 2022 22:45:46 GMT -5
But the crowd cheered Bianca guys! Everything is fine. Because the crowd cheered. OK, we can’t start going “The live crowd doesn’t count” after we spend literally YEARS going “Listen to live crowds”. Just admit you (not specifically YOU) want your favourites to win, instead of this facade of altruism where we’re like “I want this for everyone”. It’ll save a lot of headaches.
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 8, 2022 22:46:31 GMT -5
Watch, they focus now on Smackdown and taking out Ronda instead. Ronda will kill them by herself just like Bianca did. That’s the issue with booking ridiculously OOP people like this.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 8, 2022 22:48:20 GMT -5
Watch, they focus now on Smackdown and taking out Ronda instead. Ronda will kill them by herself just like Bianca did. That’s the issue with booking ridiculously OOP people like this. And then we call it 50/50 booking when they’re dragged back to the chasing pack. Seriously, there are 17 years of receipts on this board backing me up when I say one person’s solution becomes another person’s problem. We will literally NEVER be unanimously happy. One match result gets you both “Belair is being booked like the top star she deserves to be” AND “Damage CTRL are being rendered ineffective as threats”. Neither opinions are wrong because everyone has different favourites, but then it just becomes a contest of who can be loudest about it, and therefore the “most right”.
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 8, 2022 22:55:11 GMT -5
Personally I am just burnt out on “long title reigns where you never really buy the champs are losing.”
Just in WWE we have Roman, and the USO’s, and Bianca, and (probably) Ronda now, and Mandy in NXT. AEW has Jade.
You do not have the depth in the women’s division to to just keep feeding everyone to the same 2-3 top women.
Ronda and Bianca have basically already cleared out those divisions.
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Post by mistery on Oct 8, 2022 22:57:36 GMT -5
At this point, retire the women's tag titles and 24/7 titles and introduce midcard titles for the women. And keep Ronda, Charlotte, Becky, and Bianca far away from them.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 8, 2022 23:03:26 GMT -5
Personally I am just burnt out on “long title reigns where you never really buy the champs are losing.” Just in WWE we have Roman, and the USO’s, and Bianca, and (probably) Ronda now, and Mandy in NXT. AEW has Jade. You do not have the depth in the women’s division to to just keep feeding everyone to the same 2-3 top women. Ronda and Bianca have basically already cleared out those divisions. Ronda only has Raquel and Shayna as fresh opponents. Bianca only has Rhea left. And now you're suppose to keep things fresh and entertaining with them until WrestleMania....5-6 months away....
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Post by mistery on Oct 8, 2022 23:08:57 GMT -5
Personally I am just burnt out on “long title reigns where you never really buy the champs are losing.” Just in WWE we have Roman, and the USO’s, and Bianca, and (probably) Ronda now, and Mandy in NXT. AEW has Jade. You do not have the depth in the women’s division to to just keep feeding everyone to the same 2-3 top women. Ronda and Bianca have basically already cleared out those divisions. Ronda only has Raquel and Shayna as fresh opponents. Bianca only has Rhea left. And now you're suppose to keep things fresh and entertaining with them until WrestleMania....5-6 months away.... Yup. Neither woman has anything truly fresh left, and it's painfully obvious that neither of them are losing the titles until Wrestlemania at this point. So that's 5-6 months of the women's title scenes being incredibly stagnant. Like at least if Bayley was champion, they had a fairly deep pool of challengers to go to. And even after Mania, while Ronda might be gone, Bianca won't be. She'll probably either win the MITB case, or just beat Charlotte and get the title back at Summerslam 2023 anyways. Assuming, you know, she doesn't just win at Wrestlemania and keep the title.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 8, 2022 23:10:34 GMT -5
Personally I am just burnt out on “long title reigns where you never really buy the champs are losing.” Just in WWE we have Roman, and the USO’s, and Bianca, and (probably) Ronda now, and Mandy in NXT. AEW has Jade. You do not have the depth in the women’s division to to just keep feeding everyone to the same 2-3 top women. Ronda and Bianca have basically already cleared out those divisions. Ronda only has Raquel and Shayna as fresh opponents. Bianca only has Rhea left. And now you're suppose to keep things fresh and entertaining with them until WrestleMania....5-6 months away.... Oh but you can buy time with War Games! ... Because it's good storytelling to just pretend the central prizes in the industry don't exist for a month or two... And we'll just ignore that Bianca just kicked all their asses alone so there's zero reason to buy they'd stand a snowball's chance in hell against her in it...
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 8, 2022 23:10:35 GMT -5
Also it is most likely just for YET MORE Becky and Charlotte title matches at Mania as well.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 8, 2022 23:15:22 GMT -5
Also it is most likely just for YET MORE Becky and Charlotte title matches at Mania as well. I thought not building up any new stars and only focusing on 1 or 2 people was a Vince-ism.
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