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Post by chronocross on Sept 7, 2023 18:34:05 GMT -5
It honestly wouldn't be too bad if the trains running back to Manhattan late at night weren't pure insanity. I get a bus to Port Authority from north Jersey and then hop the 7 line out to Flushing, which can take a little bit but is otherwise a pretty simple trip, but then the show ends late and you're basically waiting forever for the few trains running back to Manhattan to load up and finally move out. The LIRR isn't as bad on that front, at least, but it goes back to Penn Station and I can't get home as easily from there. Ah well. Yeah, I'd luck out on that front where I can go directly from my part of NJ to NY Penn Station without switching lines. But getting to and from Flushing from there late at night sounds like a nightmare. And driving in is a non-starter between the insane NYC traffic and tolls costing an arm and a leg.
Arthur Ashe is a really interesting venue for a wrestling event, but I wish they could run MSG or even Barclay's if they do an NYC show.
I'd go to a show in a heartbeat if they did it at the Barclays or even the Manhattan Center/Hammerstein Ballroom as I live in Brooklyn and Arthur Ashe is a bit far for me. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 7, 2023 19:22:50 GMT -5
Arthur Ashe is also kind of a pain in the ass commute unless you live in Queens already, IMO. It honestly wouldn't be too bad if the trains running back to Manhattan late at night weren't pure insanity. I get a bus to Port Authority from north Jersey and then hop the 7 line out to Flushing, which can take a little bit but is otherwise a pretty simple trip, but then the show ends late and you're basically waiting forever for the few trains running back to Manhattan to load up and finally move out. The LIRR isn't as bad on that front, at least, but it goes back to Penn Station and I can't get home as easily from there. Ah well. Yeah, I'm in Hoboken so my commute is similar. I'm going, but not looking forward to getting back. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 7, 2023 19:52:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd luck out on that front where I can go directly from my part of NJ to NY Penn Station without switching lines. But getting to and from Flushing from there late at night sounds like a nightmare. And driving in is a non-starter between the insane NYC traffic and tolls costing an arm and a leg.
Arthur Ashe is a really interesting venue for a wrestling event, but I wish they could run MSG or even Barclay's if they do an NYC show.
I'd go to a show in a heartbeat if they did it at the Barclays or even the Manhattan Center/Hammerstein Ballroom as I live in Brooklyn and Arthur Ashe is a bit far for me. They should definitely do an ROH show from Hammerstein at some point. Put Danielson, Joe, Claudio, Colt, Mark Briscoe and some of the other ROH originals on there and it'd sell out easy. |
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Post by raymondo316 on Sept 12, 2023 16:14:03 GMT -5
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Post by DichEvans on Sept 12, 2023 16:20:58 GMT -5
Wrestling has always been story driven. While the shows themselves are always a good watch, what big feud is supposed to draw at this event? WWE's top 5 PPV draws were built up over the span of over a year WCW's biggest buyrates also came from long term storytelling (Starcade 97) Again, I genuinely enjoy most AEW shows, but there is just nothing about it that is "must watch" right now. |
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Sept 12, 2023 16:31:33 GMT -5
I know it’s prime WWE turf, but maybe they can swing by Orlando a bit more often.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 12, 2023 16:39:46 GMT -5
Wrestling has always been story driven. While the shows themselves are always a good watch, what big feud is supposed to draw at this event? WWE's top 5 PPV draws were built up over the span of over a year WCW's biggest buyrates also came from long term storytelling (Starcade 97) Again, I genuinely enjoy most AEW shows, but there is just nothing about it that is "must watch" right now. They've been building MJF vs Joe up and people have been hyped for it, Claudio vs Eddie has ten years of story build, among other things Shows still forming its card, I won't be worried about the tickets till we actually get there. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 12, 2023 17:00:59 GMT -5
I'm sure it'll end up a fun show but there's really no way to spin this into a positive. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Sept 12, 2023 17:14:44 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they’re still booking arenas meant for 10-15 thousand people. Why not book a 5 thousand people venue.
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Post by Schizo on Sept 12, 2023 17:16:31 GMT -5
oof! Not good at all
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Post by KME on Sept 12, 2023 17:31:28 GMT -5
Everything about Max's face turn and storyline with Cole has felt must watch to me, while the start to his Joe feud and the uncertainty of what might happen next has me pretty gripped. Toni's doing the best character work of her career, I look forward to seeing basically everything she's doing at the moment, same goes for Roddy. Jericho and Sammy have been together since the first Dynamite and are finally actually facing off one on one, again with a load of uncertainty around what's going to actually happen going forward with both of them. Hangman/Swerve feels like it has massive 'must watch' potential. Kenny's losing streak and OC responding to his epic title reign ending (which to me was ultra compelling storytelling) have me very interested in what they'll do next. Really interested to see what Callis, who's been doing some of his best heel work ever, and Takeshita who's just got the two biggest wins of his career do next. Kingston/Claudio is on the show and has massive potential to me with seeing if Eddie finally wins a 'big one' in his home state and potentially closes a decade deep rivalry, before even thinking of the match quality. Elsewhere BCG likely won't be at Grand Slam as they've been mostly on Collision but always feel must watch. Same goes for Christian Cage, everything surrounding his TNT 'title reign' has been perfection. Same sort of story for Starks who's smashing it as a heel again, while Danielson promising the best year of his career has me buzzing for everything he's going to be doing. Miro and a debuting CJ has me really interested too, something for him beyond squashing people, which we got a taste of with the fantastic Hobbs match, is just what he needs and CJ just cut probably the best promo she's cut since back when she was Russian.
They've put a lot of effort into character work, promos and video packages just recently, feels like a weird time to be talking about how they don't have anything must watch, personally.
All that aside if I'd swerved going to All In because of the build (despite not having the issues others did with it) I'd have absolutely kicked myself, AEW deliver big time on the biggest stages and skipping the events because you don't think the stories are strong enough just seems a miserable way to live your life to me, everyone around me had an absolute blast. I think their long term storytelling is crazy underrated anyway, I've always found it goes way beyond anything WWE do, a company apparently dedicated to storytelling over wrestling, they just don't treat their fans like goldfish and beat them over the head with reminders of what's happened in the past.
Could anyone claim the storytelling or anything were better last year, in what was considered their weakest year, right after the biggest embarrassment in company history? The ticket sales this year suck but I have no idea how much that's linked to the product or how much is down to other factors.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 12, 2023 17:45:15 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they’re still booking arenas meant for 10-15 thousand people. Why not book a 5 thousand people venue. They do book 5 thousand people venues? Like all the time? Arthur Ashe has been a yearly thing, this is now its third year, and this is the only time the tickets had been moving slower (And higher ticket prices were already mentioned as a reason it might be and not the card itself) AEW only books 10K or higher venues for certain events. I'm pretty sure outside of PPVs, it's Grand Slam, Newark, and now Boston and the TD Garden. Otherwise, the shows are 4-6K venues |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 17:46:16 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they’re still booking arenas meant for 10-15 thousand people. Why not book a 5 thousand people venue. Those are usually booked long in advanced and expensive because of demand. Plus after taking out for TV stuff they'd probably have 2 to 3k seats available making the break even cost higher |
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Post by raymondo316 on Sept 12, 2023 17:55:35 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they’re still booking arenas meant for 10-15 thousand people. Why not book a 5 thousand people venue. They do book 5 thousand people venues? Like all the time? Arthur Ashe has been a yearly thing, this is now its third year, and this is the only time the tickets had been moving slower (And higher ticket prices were already mentioned as a reason it might be and not the card itself) AEW only books 10K or higher venues for certain events. I'm pretty sure outside of PPVs, it's Grand Slam, Newark, and now Boston and the TD Garden. Otherwise, the shows are 4-6K venues AEW pretty much always runs big arenas www.cagematch.net/?id=8&nr=2287&page=8Look at the list and Google these arenas, pretty much all of them are over 10 thousand capacity venues
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Sept 12, 2023 19:44:31 GMT -5
They do book 5 thousand people venues? Like all the time? Arthur Ashe has been a yearly thing, this is now its third year, and this is the only time the tickets had been moving slower (And higher ticket prices were already mentioned as a reason it might be and not the card itself) AEW only books 10K or higher venues for certain events. I'm pretty sure outside of PPVs, it's Grand Slam, Newark, and now Boston and the TD Garden. Otherwise, the shows are 4-6K venues AEW pretty much always runs big arenas www.cagematch.net/?id=8&nr=2287&page=8Look at the list and Google these arenas, pretty much all of them are over 10 thousand capacity venues
But they only sell for 5-7K capacities Those venues are bigger but you don't factor in that they do not sell the tickets for hard cam side or the ones blocked by the entranceway. Every wrestling venue does this. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 12, 2023 20:14:44 GMT -5
You run big arenas because:
- Perception (you hear a wrestling show is at the NBA arena vs. the small college basketball arena - that lead to someone thinking it might be a bigger show on the margins).
- Transportation: Bigger arenas tend to have more ways to get there in a lot of cities.
- Generally has more modern amenities so it might attract more folks.
- Easier to give comps + use business connections.
Not to say that it's always worth it to do so. Bigger arenas usually cost more in rent. But that's part of the calculus. You would rather book a larger arena with the hope you sell 4K-6K than book a smaller arena. Yes, NBA arenas can sit 20K people. Not even WWE sets RAW and SmackDown up for that. They usually go for 10K-12K when hot.
Now, it's obviously a bad run of shows in terms of tickets. I can see folks asking - why book Arthur Ashe again? I get it but you ask that question only when it doesn't work. You might have thought that last year after they already tried it once and the product was colder but then they sell 13K tickets. You go with the tradition until it stops working, you take the L, then you move on. It's hard to exactly predict when that moment will be.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 12, 2023 21:41:29 GMT -5
I was going to not go to the event, but if the tickets get cheaper, I might just go ahead. The ride back will suck though.
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Post by Clutchhausen on Sept 13, 2023 1:39:57 GMT -5
Just wait til those Ticketmaster "convenience" fees hit. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 13, 2023 6:09:37 GMT -5
You can analyse what's on TV and of course that plays a part but this is all down to price gouging.
$600 for row k floor corner seats.
$250 for first tier of the stands
$150 for second tier
This is a fancy dynamite not f***ing wrestlemania.
They could probably have got a return flight to London and cheaper tier tickets at all-in for less money than those floor seats.
I read someone saying that the equivalent ticket has doubled in price since the first aew show there. Buy one get one free is just returning to the price they once were.
They could sell a lot more if they were reasonably priced.
This isn't unique to aew or wrestling either, it's largely the parasites at Ticketmaster.
However I do fear that long-term aew are going to essentially price a lot of fans out with ticket prices and more ppvs.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 13, 2023 6:27:32 GMT -5
You can analyse what's on TV and of course that plays a part but this is all down to price gouging. $600 for row k floor corner seats. $250 for first tier of the stands $150 for second tier This is a fancy dynamite not f***ing wrestlemania. They could probably have got a return flight to London and cheaper tier tickets at all-in for less money than those floor seats. I read someone saying that the equivalent ticket has doubled in price since the first aew show there. Buy one get one free is just returning to the price they once were. They could sell a lot more if they were reasonably priced. This isn't unique to aew or wrestling either, it's largely the parasites at Ticketmaster. However I do fear that long-term aew are going to essentially price a lot of fans out with ticket prices and more ppvs. I think you're right about the price; I considered getting a pricier ticket this year than I did the first couple Grand Slams, but the cost scared me off. Beyond that, this is also an industry rife with lagging indicators; it might be that the down perception some had of the company since last fall only really started manifesting more in down ticket sales as we got into the middle of 2023. The promotion's coming off a hot (though controversial) run of big shows, but that's not always going to manifest itself right away in sales or even viewership, it takes some sustained success to translate bring in some of those positives. |
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