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Post by Burst on Sept 13, 2023 6:32:45 GMT -5
It does kind of feel like the storylines weren't *quite* prepared for the relatively back-to-back-to-back stretch of All In -> All Out -> Grand Slam, and it's also diminishing returns for the novelty of coming back to Arthur Ashe too. Will be very curious how much things catch up once the final card is revealed and in the final run up to it, since at the very least NYC has the sheer number of people to account for a fair amount of tickets being bought the day of or night before.
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Post by raymondo316 on Sept 13, 2023 6:33:15 GMT -5
But they only sell for 5-7K capacities Those venues are bigger but you don't factor in that they do not sell the tickets for hard cam side or the ones blocked by the entranceway. Every wrestling venue does this. The reason they dont open the hard cam side is because ticket sales are down. When ticket sales were going well for AEW about 2 years ago and they were literally outselling WWE in a lot of markets, they would sell tickets on that side.
On Saturday Collision was held in an arena that has a capacity of just under 20 thousand, they sold less than 4000 tickets.
Dynamite in Chicago did less than 4 thousand, thats a place they used to sell a lot better.
People can deny it all they want, but AEW's ticket sales in America have been trending in the wrong direction for quite some time now and Tony needs to do something about it.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 13, 2023 7:27:30 GMT -5
It does kind of feel like the storylines weren't *quite* prepared for the relatively back-to-back-to-back stretch of All In -> All Out -> Grand Slam, and it's also diminishing returns for the novelty of coming back to Arthur Ashe too. Will be very curious how much things catch up once the final card is revealed and in the final run up to it, since at the very least NYC has the sheer number of people to account for a fair amount of tickets being bought the day of or night before. I appreciate Tony wanting to have "traditions" but I think there's some merit to taking a break from Grand Slam or trying to bring it to another city. There's definitely been a dropoff in terms of card quality, too. The first Grand Slam had Omega/Danielson, Malakai/Cody when it was still interesting, Sting/Darby vs. FTR, plus Punk's first TV match on Rampage and some other fun multi-man stuff. MJF/Joe or MJF/Roddy will be interesting and Eddie/Claudio will be a banger, but there's nothing quite at that "event" match level, IMO. |
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Sept 13, 2023 7:28:58 GMT -5
I seriously think if they started booking/announcing matches further in advance it would help sales.
Obviously based on how storylines progress, injuries and such you can't do that for the whole card, but at least book 1 or 2 matches ahead of time that you can advertise to get people interested.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 13, 2023 7:32:42 GMT -5
I seriously think if they started booking/announcing matches further in advance it would help sales. Obviously based on how storylines progress, injuries and such you can't do that for the whole card, but at least book 1 or 2 matches ahead of time that you can advertise to get people interested ahead of time Yeah. Something tells me tonight we're going to get a bunch of crazy announcements. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 13, 2023 8:52:55 GMT -5
Here's one thing that bugs me. And I know it's been brought up before.
It seems like AEW only goes to the same areas over and over and over again in the US. The company is 4 years old, and outside of Minneapolis, they have not had any shows in the Upper Midwest. Omaha, Sioux City, Sioux Falls, Fargo, all have arenas of around 10,000 or more. There's a pretty good size following around here, they could get the crowds.
I don't know if there's a reason for it, but it seems like they just go to the same spots over and over.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 13, 2023 9:00:50 GMT -5
Here's one thing that bugs me. And I know it's been brought up before. It seems like AEW only goes to the same areas over and over and over again in the US. The company is 4 years old, and outside of Minneapolis, they have not had any shows in the Upper Midwest. Omaha, Sioux City, Sioux Falls, Fargo, all have arenas of around 10,000 or more. There's a pretty good size following around here, they could get the crowds. I don't know if there's a reason for it, but it seems like they just go to the same spots over and over. Agreed. One of the most successful shows AEW ever had was running Charleston, WV for the first time any major company had in decades. AEW should target markets that even WWE doesn't run frequently. I totally understand that the large shows need large markets, but the company has two TV shows now. It honestly feels like a show in Laramie, WY or something would create more excitement than doing another show in Jacksonville or Chicago. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 13, 2023 9:12:40 GMT -5
Here's one thing that bugs me. And I know it's been brought up before. It seems like AEW only goes to the same areas over and over and over again in the US. The company is 4 years old, and outside of Minneapolis, they have not had any shows in the Upper Midwest. Omaha, Sioux City, Sioux Falls, Fargo, all have arenas of around 10,000 or more. There's a pretty good size following around here, they could get the crowds. I don't know if there's a reason for it, but it seems like they just go to the same spots over and over. Agreed. One of the most successful shows AEW ever had was running Charleston, WV for the first time any major company had in decades. AEW should target markets that even WWE doesn't run frequently. I totally understand that the large shows need large markets, but the company has two TV shows now. It honestly feels like a show in Laramie, WY or something would create more excitement than doing another show in Jacksonville or Chicago. I'm chatting with a friend about this, and we made a list of all the cities in the Upper Midwest with decent size arenas they could go to. Omaha Lincoln Des Moines Quad Cities Rochester Bemidji Duluth Mankato Sioux Falls Fargo Rapid City Bismarck La Crosse St. Cloud Sioux City |
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Sept 13, 2023 9:20:29 GMT -5
But they only sell for 5-7K capacities Those venues are bigger but you don't factor in that they do not sell the tickets for hard cam side or the ones blocked by the entranceway. Every wrestling venue does this. They only sell for those capacities because they can't do anything more. The product as from a ticket selling perspective is ice cold. Selling less than 3k for a basketball stadium is embarrassing. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 13, 2023 9:22:28 GMT -5
Seems like they are training the audience to wait to buy tickets last minute if they keep having too high prices followed by steep discounts.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 13, 2023 9:23:31 GMT -5
Agreed. One of the most successful shows AEW ever had was running Charleston, WV for the first time any major company had in decades. AEW should target markets that even WWE doesn't run frequently. I totally understand that the large shows need large markets, but the company has two TV shows now. It honestly feels like a show in Laramie, WY or something would create more excitement than doing another show in Jacksonville or Chicago. I'm chatting with a friend about this, and we made a list of all the cities in the Upper Midwest with decent size arenas they could go to. Omaha Lincoln Des Moines Quad Cities Rochester Bemidji Duluth Mankato Sioux Falls Fargo Rapid City Bismarck La Crosse St. Cloud Sioux City Bemidji and Mankato sound like they are made up or are Pokemon |
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Sept 13, 2023 9:31:13 GMT -5
Seems like they are training the audience to wait to buy tickets last minute if they keep having too high prices followed by steep discounts. I think an underrated part of what has really hurt AEW ticket sales is the length of the live shows. I have had non fans come with me to the shows and they are just exhausted and tired and ready to leave by 10pm. Then there's AT LEAST another hour. It's insane. There's no mindset of "leave your audience wanting more." They have burnt out a portion of their audience and the return to market ticket sales continue to plummet. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 13, 2023 9:31:37 GMT -5
I'm chatting with a friend about this, and we made a list of all the cities in the Upper Midwest with decent size arenas they could go to. Omaha Lincoln Des Moines Quad Cities Rochester Bemidji Duluth Mankato Sioux Falls Fargo Rapid City Bismarck La Crosse St. Cloud Sioux City Bemidji and Mankato sound like they are made up or are Pokemon I'll have you know that the Bemidji State Beavers have one hell of a hockey program!! |
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Post by salz4life on Sept 13, 2023 10:09:01 GMT -5
Agreed. One of the most successful shows AEW ever had was running Charleston, WV for the first time any major company had in decades. AEW should target markets that even WWE doesn't run frequently. I totally understand that the large shows need large markets, but the company has two TV shows now. It honestly feels like a show in Laramie, WY or something would create more excitement than doing another show in Jacksonville or Chicago. I'm chatting with a friend about this, and we made a list of all the cities in the Upper Midwest with decent size arenas they could go to. Omaha Lincoln Des Moines Quad Cities Rochester Bemidji Duluth Mankato Sioux Falls Fargo Rapid City Bismarck La Crosse St. Cloud Sioux City Moline/Quad Cities was a good spot for WCW if I remember right. I think that is definitely a good place for AEW to go. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 13, 2023 10:12:02 GMT -5
Seems like they are training the audience to wait to buy tickets last minute if they keep having too high prices followed by steep discounts. So I touched on this earlier but how much control do aew actually have over prices? I get the impression Ticketmaster, livenation and the venue call the shots. Aew certainly have to accept their scammy platinum seating.They have a monopoly at this scale. I think the BOGOF offer shows a fundamental issue, maybe you can get a wrestling fan to pay these steep prices but it's going to be hard to get any non-fan or even casual fan to join them. Especially with concerts being the same way, where previously maybe a couple could each pick and event for them both to attend now they're more likely to have to choose which one. Plus a few years back there was a lot of money floating around post pandemic, a lot more people are struggling now and would give it a miss even at the old prices and/or with a top tier ppv worthy card. At this point Swifties taking down Ticketmaster seems to be main hope of things improving. |
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Sept 13, 2023 10:14:25 GMT -5
Seems like they are training the audience to wait to buy tickets last minute if they keep having too high prices followed by steep discounts. Plus a few years back there was a lot of money floating around post pandemic, a lot more people are struggling now and would give it a miss even at the old prices and/or with a top tier ppv worthy card. If this was true then WWE live attendance would be down as well. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 13, 2023 10:23:51 GMT -5
Plus a few years back there was a lot of money floating around post pandemic, a lot more people are struggling now and would give it a miss even at the old prices and/or with a top tier ppv worthy card. If this was true then WWE live attendance would be down as well. It can be the case that economic factors impact certain companies more than others. If one company is the primary one you follow, you will still pay for those tickets but you might not make room for other tickets. Meltzer has mentioned a lot how one company getting super hot makes the life of other companies a lot harder and this is one way that can manifest. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 13, 2023 10:35:07 GMT -5
Plus a few years back there was a lot of money floating around post pandemic, a lot more people are struggling now and would give it a miss even at the old prices and/or with a top tier ppv worthy card. If this was true then WWE live attendance would be down as well. Not really, it's different for a market leader that's been established decades compared to a new company. Especially in the case of WWE where cities pay them to put on shows and help with the marketing. In general it's not dissimilar to someone that might decide to stop buying videogames but will find the money somehow the moment GTA6 is announced. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 13, 2023 10:39:22 GMT -5
If this was true then WWE live attendance would be down as well. Not really, it's different for a market leader that's been established decades compared to a new company. Especially in the case of WWE where cities pay them to put on shows and help with the marketing. In general it's not dissimilar to someone that might decide to stop buying videogames but will find the money somehow the moment GTA6 is announced. I think it's also kind of a six of one comparison, because the particular criticism of AEW is that it keeps running the same cities over, and over, and over, and over in relatively short windows of time. Which is an extremely fair and valid criticism of AEW. If WWE were to do that, there would naturally be diminishing returns too. I don't think it's as much a "money in the consumer's pocket" issue as it is a "AEW was JUST here, this isn't worth spending $150 for two tickets and getting home at midnight on a Wednesday this time" issue. |
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Post by markymark on Sept 13, 2023 10:55:28 GMT -5
But they only sell for 5-7K capacities Those venues are bigger but you don't factor in that they do not sell the tickets for hard cam side or the ones blocked by the entranceway. Every wrestling venue does this. The reason they dont open the hard cam side is because ticket sales are down. When ticket sales were going well for AEW about 2 years ago and they were literally outselling WWE in a lot of markets, they would sell tickets on that side.
On Saturday Collision was held in an arena that has a capacity of just under 20 thousand, they sold less than 4000 tickets.
Dynamite in Chicago did less than 4 thousand, thats a place they used to sell a lot better.
People can deny it all they want, but AEW's ticket sales in America have been trending in the wrong direction for quite some time now and Tony needs to do something about it.
TK just promoted Jimmy Jacobs to be his right hand after Punk got fired to help with creative, you cant expect him to fix in 1-2 weeks the on going issues since 2022...
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