Problem with AEW Ticket Sales

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Oct 21, 2023 13:48:15 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Oct 21, 2023 11:37:38 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Yep, that's what I keep saying: a bunch of fans on this side of the globe have internalized that WCW, ECW, old school TNA, and even ROH pre-Khan purchase all died because (insert booking choice/choices here) instead of an array of factors that booking wouldn't really have much effect over: WCW died because a merged AOL-Time Warner didn't want wrestling on their channels anymore, ECW died because of its constant financial woes, old school TNA went away because Dixie drove away all her TV partners through her various antics, and while 2019 ROH listened too much to Bully Ray and derailed their momentum, they only went away and ended up purchased by Tony Khan because it was a company that needed to sell tickets to live shows and couldn't do that during the pandemic. We don't get that way about WWE because WWE has made itself too big to fail, but there's a fear that any other promotion is a "you booked the WRONG GUY to win the title!" decision away from death's door or something.

So now at a time when WWE's hot and AEW's numbers are either treading water (TV ratings) or have taken a dip in recent times (number of tickets sold), the parade wants to come in and say "See? AEW is doing badly because of specific things they're doing that I don't like, or things they're not doing that I would like!", instead of acknowledging that sometimes this shit goes in waves. People whined for ages that AEW "does a bunch of bangers with no story", which was never really accurate to begin with, but then AEW starts doing some pretaped vignettes or longer promos and it turns into "AEW is being too much like WWE!" instead. Next time it'll be the old "Tony Khan hates women/other groups of people" line, or that him tweeting has any real effect on the show or the vast majority of the audience's perception of it.

Meantime, WWE can book Roman to be in the same exact title match for over a literal year and have Cody kind of spinning his wheels since the Brock feud but people are marking out like mad for the two of them just bumping into one another on the ramp; that's what happens when you're hot. Had AEW done something the equivalent of Roman retaining at the last WM against Cody and then having them get into respective feuds and stories that seemed like they'd make more sense if Cody had won the title, I think they'd be getting a lot of grief for it. WWE isn't because, again, WWE's hot right now while AEW's numbers are treading water; that's not a whole "Oh, you'd love this if WWE did it/if AEW did it!" kind of thing, just how promotions getting hot impacts overall perceptions, ticket sales, and plenty of other ideas and metrics over a course of time.

Eventually, perceptions shift; the guys who were red hot cool down, a new act grabs people's attention, people rushing to get tickets six months ago becomes people not being as interested half a year later, and sometimes we don't see those numbers bear out for a little while, etc. But people want things to correlate to their own tastes and interests, so success or failure must correlate to exactly things they personally like or dislike.

Listen, you make a lot of sense here. I'm not going to dispute that. What I am trying to say is that there should never be a calling out and shaming of posters. Hell, that's really the only time I chime in these boards. And I'd argue that anything negative posted when AEW is/was hot was still talked down to whereas in WWE it's always felt allowed no matter how they are doing. And listen I'm not even all that high on WWE right now so this isn't "FW being a shill," just noticing things that causes posters to become unhappy and reach out in the way ed was implying in his post.

This has always been my issue with it. Especially how it can venture into hypocrisy in how the tribalism manifests itself. How some people will defend one side to the point of "c'mon now, stop", but then go into the other section and shit post about the other company. And it's like if someone talked about the company you like the way you're talking about the one you don't like you would lose your mind. It's just weird.

I'm not calling anyone out, it goes both ways, and it's equally as exhausting from either side. Especially for those of us who just "like wrestling", and don't need to pick a side.

[Feargus McReddit]

I feel like the best demonstration of HMark and Ed’s wider point is that there are people who only post here when there’s discourse with AEW rather than, like, posting things they like or want to see improve and it does contribute sometimes to how people feel this forum is unless TK tweets something dumb that nobody outside of here and Twitter really cares about or something of that fashion.

I’m not going to name names but it is really noticeable and it really makes me not post here as much as I’d like to.

[Schizo]

Yeah I’ve seen it before, before AEW was a thing, the WWE section, for long periods of time, was flooded with negative post to the point of pure hatred, mocking everything they did and worse, piling on people who actually defended WWE that didn’t go along with the narrative that WWE was horrible and that Raw and SmackDown were crap every week. Sucks for the fans here who actually enjoyed the shows throughout the years. I remember reading all that for years how fans had to leave the forum because the negativity, the mocking towards WWE was to much to bare which really sucked for those fans. Where was everyone to back them up? The mods to to keep order of all the negativity, to make it pleasant for all fans to post here. To speak out and say the WWE hate was “exhausting” it’s been happened for years and shear amount of people coming to AEW’s defense for being “mocked” is laughable and ridiculous because I bet those same people did the same thing to WWE and pretty sure it was just as exhausting for WWE fans to deal with to

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I kinda miss when this thread was about ticket sales. Now it's just turned into an all-purpose "let's bitch about everything and each other" thread again.

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Oct 21, 2023 18:12:23 GMT -5 Schizo said:

Yeah I’ve seen it before, before AEW was a thing, the WWE section, for long periods of time, was flooded with negative post to the point of pure hatred, mocking everything they did and worse, piling on people who actually defended WWE that didn’t go along with the narrative that WWE was horrible and that Raw and SmackDown were crap every week. Sucks for the fans here who actually enjoyed the shows throughout the years. I remember reading all that for years how fans had to leave the forum because the negativity, the mocking towards WWE was to much to bare which really sucked for those fans. Where was everyone to back them up? The mods to to keep order of all the negativity, to make it pleasant for all fans to post here. To speak out and say the WWE hate was “exhausting” it’s been happened for years and shear amount of people coming to AEW’s defense for being “mocked” is laughable and ridiculous because I bet those same people did the same thing to WWE and pretty sure it was just as exhausting for WWE fans to deal with to

A lot of WWE's hatred stemmed from a racist old insane alleged sex abuser man booking the shows to be complete dogshit

Now that he's gone, you'll notice the WWE section has become so much more mellow and the hatred for a lot of stuff has died down

WWE's hatred stems from a few things, the Saudi Deal, formerly Vince, and dumb booking decisions. A lot of which was extremely prevalent in the 2010's and thankfully isn't now.

People actively wanted the company to get better and for Vince to f*** off, and now that he has, that's a large chunk of the negativity gone. AEW doesn't have that baggage, at least not right now in the span of a four year stretch, but it feels like some people want to act like they do to compare it to decades of baggage from WWE which would lead to the mounted negativity

This thread is a perfect example of a mountain being made out of a molehill imo. And I do feel bad for people who liked WWE in those years, and the booking, and had to deal with negativity directed at the show, but the reasons for those negatives were very forward, and even on the product and actively effecting the product and wrestlers involved, even if that was happening in AEW to warrant the dunks and criticism, which I don't think it's gotten to that point and I pray it never does, I would still say that it happening in both boards doesn't make it right nor should it be seen as some type of vindication, it just sucks in general.

Like what you like, don't be a dick. That's a quote I really want to hang on a wall when it comes to wrestling as a whole anymore.

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Oct 21, 2023 18:54:34 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Oct 21, 2023 18:12:23 GMT -5 Schizo said:

Yeah I’ve seen it before, before AEW was a thing, the WWE section, for long periods of time, was flooded with negative post to the point of pure hatred, mocking everything they did and worse, piling on people who actually defended WWE that didn’t go along with the narrative that WWE was horrible and that Raw and SmackDown were crap every week. Sucks for the fans here who actually enjoyed the shows throughout the years. I remember reading all that for years how fans had to leave the forum because the negativity, the mocking towards WWE was to much to bare which really sucked for those fans. Where was everyone to back them up? The mods to to keep order of all the negativity, to make it pleasant for all fans to post here. To speak out and say the WWE hate was “exhausting” it’s been happened for years and shear amount of people coming to AEW’s defense for being “mocked” is laughable and ridiculous because I bet those same people did the same thing to WWE and pretty sure it was just as exhausting for WWE fans to deal with to

A lot of WWE's hatred stemmed from a racist old insane alleged sex abuser man booking the shows to be complete dogshit

Now that he's gone, you'll notice the WWE section has become so much more mellow and the hatred for a lot of stuff has died down

WWE's hatred stems from a few things, the Saudi Deal, formerly Vince, and dumb booking decisions. A lot of which was extremely prevalent in the 2010's and thankfully isn't now.

People actively wanted the company to get better and for Vince to f*** off, and now that he has, that's a large chunk of the negativity gone. AEW doesn't have that baggage, at least not right now in the span of a four year stretch, but it feels like some people want to act like they do to compare it to decades of baggage from WWE which would lead to the mounted negativity

This thread is a perfect example of a mountain being made out of a molehill imo. And I do feel bad for people who liked WWE in those years, and the booking, and had to deal with negativity directed at the show, but the reasons for those negatives were very forward, and even on the product and actively effecting the product and wrestlers involved, even if that was happening in AEW to warrant the dunks and criticism, which I don't think it's gotten to that point and I pray it never does, I would still say that it happening in both boards doesn't make it right nor should it be seen as some type of vindication, it just sucks in general.

Like what you like, don't be a dick. That's a quote I really want to hang on a wall when it comes to wrestling as a whole anymore.

But like none of that imo, excuses how rudely people respond to others. It's not about YOU HAVE TO LIKE THIS OR YOU HAVE TO DISLIKE THIS. It's about how one responds to others that disagree. Remember the guy who deleted his account this past spring? He critiqued something about AEW and got a lot of shit to the point he couldn't take it anymore.

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Oct 21, 2023 19:08:27 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Oct 21, 2023 18:54:34 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

A lot of WWE's hatred stemmed from a racist old insane alleged sex abuser man booking the shows to be complete dogshit

Now that he's gone, you'll notice the WWE section has become so much more mellow and the hatred for a lot of stuff has died down

WWE's hatred stems from a few things, the Saudi Deal, formerly Vince, and dumb booking decisions. A lot of which was extremely prevalent in the 2010's and thankfully isn't now.

People actively wanted the company to get better and for Vince to f*** off, and now that he has, that's a large chunk of the negativity gone. AEW doesn't have that baggage, at least not right now in the span of a four year stretch, but it feels like some people want to act like they do to compare it to decades of baggage from WWE which would lead to the mounted negativity

This thread is a perfect example of a mountain being made out of a molehill imo. And I do feel bad for people who liked WWE in those years, and the booking, and had to deal with negativity directed at the show, but the reasons for those negatives were very forward, and even on the product and actively effecting the product and wrestlers involved, even if that was happening in AEW to warrant the dunks and criticism, which I don't think it's gotten to that point and I pray it never does, I would still say that it happening in both boards doesn't make it right nor should it be seen as some type of vindication, it just sucks in general.

Like what you like, don't be a dick. That's a quote I really want to hang on a wall when it comes to wrestling as a whole anymore.

But like none of that imo, excuses how rudely people respond to others. It's not about YOU HAVE TO LIKE THIS OR YOU HAVE TO DISLIKE THIS. It's about how one responds to others that disagree. Remember the guy who deleted his account this past spring? He critiqued something about AEW and got a lot of shit to the point he couldn't take it anymore.

It's sadly something that's gone both ways. People have been burned by trolls and negativity towards AEW, so they get defensive about certain things, and others feel like their negative criticisms as a whole are being stifled or they're being attacked personally

Both things seem to be driving people away from this Board and it doesn't feel like it's really getting better sadly. It's as easy to say to just lay off and not be as extreme on either end but sometimes people push it anyway and it seems impossible

I still think the response was justified to how people responded to Paul at OVW, but it should never get to the point where people are insulting each other personally.

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Oct 21, 2023 18:54:34 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Oct 21, 2023 18:12:23 GMT -5 Schizo said:

Yeah I’ve seen it before, before AEW was a thing, the WWE section, for long periods of time, was flooded with negative post to the point of pure hatred, mocking everything they did and worse, piling on people who actually defended WWE that didn’t go along with the narrative that WWE was horrible and that Raw and SmackDown were crap every week. Sucks for the fans here who actually enjoyed the shows throughout the years. I remember reading all that for years how fans had to leave the forum because the negativity, the mocking towards WWE was to much to bare which really sucked for those fans. Where was everyone to back them up? The mods to to keep order of all the negativity, to make it pleasant for all fans to post here. To speak out and say the WWE hate was “exhausting” it’s been happened for years and shear amount of people coming to AEW’s defense for being “mocked” is laughable and ridiculous because I bet those same people did the same thing to WWE and pretty sure it was just as exhausting for WWE fans to deal with to

A lot of WWE's hatred stemmed from a racist old insane alleged sex abuser man booking the shows to be complete dogshit

Now that he's gone, you'll notice the WWE section has become so much more mellow and the hatred for a lot of stuff has died down

WWE's hatred stems from a few things, the Saudi Deal, formerly Vince, and dumb booking decisions. A lot of which was extremely prevalent in the 2010's and thankfully isn't now.

People actively wanted the company to get better and for Vince to f*** off, and now that he has, that's a large chunk of the negativity gone. AEW doesn't have that baggage, at least not right now in the span of a four year stretch, but it feels like some people want to act like they do to compare it to decades of baggage from WWE which would lead to the mounted negativity

This thread is a perfect example of a mountain being made out of a molehill imo. And I do feel bad for people who liked WWE in those years, and the booking, and had to deal with negativity directed at the show, but the reasons for those negatives were very forward, and even on the product and actively effecting the product and wrestlers involved, even if that was happening in AEW to warrant the dunks and criticism, which I don't think it's gotten to that point and I pray it never does, I would still say that it happening in both boards doesn't make it right nor should it be seen as some type of vindication, it just sucks in general.

Like what you like, don't be a dick. That's a quote I really want to hang on a wall
when it comes to wrestling as a whole anymore.

To a lot of people though, AEW has made a lot of booking mishaps and questionable decisions that, to them
, warranted being dunked on and criticized. And, I have to say, Tony Khan’s recent twitter extravaganza has most likely soured a lot of people on him and the whole product as a whole so of course, people are going to dunk on him and the product for that and any minor nitpick AEW does wrong, you can’t prevent it form not happening, It’s going to keep happening no matter how much you rally against it. That just us fans who are active on social media have to come to terms with, it sucks to deal with, just have to except it and move on

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Oct 21, 2023 19:16:05 GMT -5 Schizo said:

Oct 21, 2023 18:54:34 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

A lot of WWE's hatred stemmed from a racist old insane alleged sex abuser man booking the shows to be complete dogshit

Now that he's gone, you'll notice the WWE section has become so much more mellow and the hatred for a lot of stuff has died down

WWE's hatred stems from a few things, the Saudi Deal, formerly Vince, and dumb booking decisions. A lot of which was extremely prevalent in the 2010's and thankfully isn't now.

People actively wanted the company to get better and for Vince to f*** off, and now that he has, that's a large chunk of the negativity gone. AEW doesn't have that baggage, at least not right now in the span of a four year stretch, but it feels like some people want to act like they do to compare it to decades of baggage from WWE which would lead to the mounted negativity

This thread is a perfect example of a mountain being made out of a molehill imo. And I do feel bad for people who liked WWE in those years, and the booking, and had to deal with negativity directed at the show, but the reasons for those negatives were very forward, and even on the product and actively effecting the product and wrestlers involved, even if that was happening in AEW to warrant the dunks and criticism, which I don't think it's gotten to that point and I pray it never does, I would still say that it happening in both boards doesn't make it right nor should it be seen as some type of vindication, it just sucks in general.

Like what you like, don't be a dick. That's a quote I really want to hang on a wall
when it comes to wrestling as a whole anymore.

To a lot of people though, AEW has made a lot of booking mishaps and questionable decisions that, to them
, warranted being dunked on and criticized. And, I have to say, Tony Khan’s recent twitter extravaganza has most likely soured a lot of people on him and the whole product as a whole so of course, people are going to dunk on him and the product for that and any minor nitpick AEW does wrong, you can’t prevent it form not happening, It’s going to keep happening no matter how much you rally against it. That just us fans who are active on social media have to come to terms with, it sucks to deal with, just have to except it and move on

I do not see a single person who said they have been soured on AEW as a whole because of what TK has said on Twitter. Annoyed at him? Maybe, but that seems a bit extreme. Which is again, why we have these disagreements and issues I feel like.

What some people feel like is a huge problem for AEW, especially when comparing to WWE's past issues, don't add up for others, just how it is.

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How 'bout them ticket sales tho? Isn't it going yay and/or boo?!

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considering this is way off topic thread's done.