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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 13:33:11 GMT -5
Show me when WWE has went to OVW shows and advertised buy one get one tickets if they do the "same exact thing" Well, that's complicated by the fact that OVW was WWE developmental for a decade in the 2000s, so literally all of their shows were rife with WWE advertisement. For the early 2010s there was a working agreement with Impact, at a time when Impact was pretending that it could compete with WWE, so there was no WWE promotion on OVW shows. Also, actual readily available footage of OVW's TV show from over the years is sparse. But, I'm telling you as someone who has been to many shows at Davis Arena in the 15 years that I have lived in the Louisville Metro/Southern Indiana, WWE has never missed an opportunity to cross-promote its Louisville shows with OVW. I distinctly remember JBL showing up a time or two when he was still with WWE in the late 2000s to promote WWE's shows. His actual old "WWE Universe" blogs on WWE.com are mostly lost to time and I frankly don't care enough to use the Wayback Machine to track it down, but here's a contemporaneous article referencing JBL announcing his decision to "sponsor" OVW on WWE.com: www.wrestleview.com/misc-news/11061-more-details-on-jbl-sponsoring-ovw/?ampSo, sure, if we are going to split hairs to the atom, I can't say in good conscience that WWE has ever sent anyone to OVW TV to explicitly cut a promo and advertise BOGO ticket sales. That exact thing has probably never happened. And WWE is obviously not as inclined to enter into working agreements with indies as AEW is. But WWE has absolutely advertised its Louisville-area shows through OVW many times over the years. This is a really weird criticism. This entire thread up until today was "AEW needs to advertise its shows more in local markets." Now it's gasp, AEW is advertising its shows on a LOCAL wrestling show?!?!? How bush league! I understand your plight I do and we apparently live around the same stomping grounds...I agree with you that WWE does promote here but the entire situation was people comparing what WWE has done in the past (your example was in 2009) to what AEW just did and those are two totally different ways of cross promoting. This comes off as more desperate because in actuality it is...Not the effort which is fair |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 20, 2023 13:35:09 GMT -5
WWE using OVW to promote shows during the time when it was a virtual monopoly is okay. But AEW doing it is bush league.
This really just comes off like wanting to criticize for the sake of criticism. People want to act like people being hyper-defensive of AEW is why this forum isn't the most pleasant of places. But I'd say it's this pedantic garbage that's the root cause of it all.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 20, 2023 13:36:11 GMT -5
"Do more local promotion! Reduce the prices of the tickets!"
"No, not like that!!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 13:43:04 GMT -5
I hope it sold tickets as ultimately that is the goal...
Just AEW is under a complete microscope for better or worse for the foreseeable future and we live in a world where image is everything so I can see why these things are seen as lesser than.
I hope they can figure out the building contracts and lower the arena sizes but that may all be nil or not an issue if we end up getting monthly ppvs anyway as I feel those will help start filling weekly seats too.
The only reason these things are even an issue is because they aren't the norms of the past...
as others have pointed out no one has really ever said a single thing AEW is doing is bad from the AEW side anyway so it's only "bad" by comparison but unfortunately the owner likes to do that A LOT too so that is our measuring grounds.
I feel like the waters get muddied and embellished to make these comparison too much and it stifles talk about AEW as a business which sucks.
The virtual monopoly previously mentioned is honestly the reason i prefer the business of the wrestling business over the actual wrestling business so it's never been about propping up WWE for me.
Alot of what I loved about pro wrestling was washed away by WWE and I get little glimpses here and there but most of my attention is devoted to what is going on behind the scenes weirdly enough.
They are private so we can only speculate but this war prevents that truthfully.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 20, 2023 13:48:40 GMT -5
OVW's still like, a wrestling promotion, right? It's not a roller derby league or a freeform beat poetry re-enactment of Shakespeare? I ask because plugging your show at a local indie to directly get to the audience of people in the area who buy tickets to wrestling shows seems like such a dead obvious and basic way to do marketing that the straws you guys are grasping at are covered in scratch marks. Was this even "AEW sent Big Show to plug tickets" or did OVW want Paul Wight and Tony said "Sure, but have him plug our upcoming Louisville show" as some quid pro quo for signing off on the appearance? Do we know? This is weird.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 13:53:22 GMT -5
OVW's still like, a wrestling promotion, right? It's not a roller derby league or a freeform beat poetry re-enactment of Shakespeare? I ask because plugging your show at a local indie to directly get to the audience of people in the area who buy tickets to wrestling shows seems like such a dead obvious and basic way to do marketing that the straws you guys are grasping at are covered in scratch marks. Was this even "AEW sent Big Show to plug tickets" or did OVW want Paul Wight and Tony said "Sure, but have him plug our upcoming Louisville show" as some quid pro quo for signing off on the appearance? Do we know? This is weird. Please stop with the "you guys" stuff. It was never THAT they did it...They SHOULD be promoting. My entire involvement in this was it being said that this was normal and WWE does this when they do not regarding buy one get one tickets. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 20, 2023 14:03:28 GMT -5
OVW's still like, a wrestling promotion, right? It's not a roller derby league or a freeform beat poetry re-enactment of Shakespeare? I ask because plugging your show at a local indie to directly get to the audience of people in the area who buy tickets to wrestling shows seems like such a dead obvious and basic way to do marketing that the straws you guys are grasping at are covered in scratch marks. Was this even "AEW sent Big Show to plug tickets" or did OVW want Paul Wight and Tony said "Sure, but have him plug our upcoming Louisville show" as some quid pro quo for signing off on the appearance? Do we know? This is weird. Please stop with the "you guys" stuff. It was never THAT they did it...They SHOULD be promoting. My entire involvement in this was it being said that this was normal and WWE does this when they do not regarding buy one get one tickets. No there's definitely postsi n here from people saying that they did it. You may not have made those posts, in which case you might not be the 'you guys'. But people are definitely criticizing that this happened. Also I dunno, the guy who's always adjusting the zoom on the microscope going "Wow this looks bad you guys" saying that AEW being under a microscope and things looking bad just being how the world is kind of reads like just failure to own up to what you're saying and doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 14:06:36 GMT -5
Please stop with the "you guys" stuff. It was never THAT they did it...They SHOULD be promoting. My entire involvement in this was it being said that this was normal and WWE does this when they do not regarding buy one get one tickets. No there's definitely postsi n here from people saying that they did it. You may not have made those posts, in which case you might not be the 'you guys'. But people are definitely criticizing that this happened. Also I dunno, the guy who's always adjusting the zoom on the microscope going "Wow this looks bad you guys" saying that AEW being under a microscope and things looking bad just being how the world is kind of reads like just failure to own up to what you're saying and doing. fair enough...my inability to read a room can be legendary at times so apologies for walking into traffic haha ultimately it again means nothing more than an attempt to sell tickets was made. Glad to see Show out repping the product too honestly as I have always wondered what that job actually is. edit: nevermind didn't read the edit and didn't realize the comment was a personal jab. Gotcha well i guess i was right about the traffic. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 20, 2023 15:15:33 GMT -5
OVW's still like, a wrestling promotion, right? It's not a roller derby league or a freeform beat poetry re-enactment of Shakespeare? I ask because plugging your show at a local indie to directly get to the audience of people in the area who buy tickets to wrestling shows seems like such a dead obvious and basic way to do marketing that the straws you guys are grasping at are covered in scratch marks. Was this even "AEW sent Big Show to plug tickets" or did OVW want Paul Wight and Tony said "Sure, but have him plug our upcoming Louisville show" as some quid pro quo for signing off on the appearance? Do we know? This is weird.More likely this, coupled with the fact that Show was already in Louisville to do the local news circuit like he and Mark Henry do for all the towns AEW goes to, and further coupled with the fact that Big Show is an OVW alum and OVW is currently more popular and noteworthy than it generally is because of the "Wrestlers" docuseries on Netflix. The fact that this thread got bumped just to lol at AEW for promoting its show at OVW is mind-numbing. Makes me feel like I took a wrong turn and wound up on r/scjerk or something. Feels like it's worth mentioning that AEW is trending towards drawing 4500-5000 or so by belltime, and WWE never ever sells YUM out either (I was personally in attendance for the November 2021 RAW that drew around 5500. I should post my pictures of the empty hard cam side that night but I'm not a tool), but this conversation is getting exhausting. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 20, 2023 15:40:51 GMT -5
OVW's still like, a wrestling promotion, right? It's not a roller derby league or a freeform beat poetry re-enactment of Shakespeare? I ask because plugging your show at a local indie to directly get to the audience of people in the area who buy tickets to wrestling shows seems like such a dead obvious and basic way to do marketing that the straws you guys are grasping at are covered in scratch marks. Was this even "AEW sent Big Show to plug tickets" or did OVW want Paul Wight and Tony said "Sure, but have him plug our upcoming Louisville show" as some quid pro quo for signing off on the appearance? Do we know? This is weird.More likely this, coupled with the fact that Show was already in Louisville to do the local news circuit like he and Mark Henry do for all the towns AEW goes to, and further coupled with the fact that Big Show is an OVW alum and OVW is currently more popular and noteworthy than it generally is because of the "Wrestlers" docuseries on Netflix. The fact that this thread got bumped just to lol at AEW for promoting its show at OVW is mind-numbing. Makes me feel like I took a wrong turn and wound up on r/scjerk or something. Feels like it's worth mentioning that AEW is trending towards drawing 4500-5000 or so by belltime, and WWE never ever sells YUM out either (I was personally in attendance for the November 2021 RAW that drew around 5500. I should post my pictures of the empty hard cam side that night but I'm not a tool), but this conversation is getting exhausting. The discussion absolutely is exhausting and I think really comes down to 1)AEW outpriced tickets (big complaint from a lot of markets is the prices were bad) and 2)AEW has decided they'd rather continue to build relationships with bigger arenas than just go to smaller arenas. I think the 2nd point is an interesting debate to have but I have heard using bigger arenas and just scaling back tickets available is cheaper than booking some smaller arenas so that's one where my stance is more "eh as long as crowd is having fun, it looks fine on tv, and the available tickets move whatever. The pricing though is on AEW. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 20, 2023 15:55:18 GMT -5
Really more and more this whole saga is just kind of telling me why WWE cut Jarrett from the job because he seems to be really damn bad at it. Feels like the successes that were happening for them at the time were in spite of him rather than because of him.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 20, 2023 16:24:07 GMT -5
This thread officially jumped the shark, jesus christ
I won't add much further since everyone else pretty much said what I would have said if I was here, and thank you for that, but at this point yeah, a lot of these arguments and criticisms do not feel like they're coming from a good place, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with AEW promoting their show and their deals to a crowd of people who would directly buy into that deal from the local area
This is exactly what we said they needed to do a few pages back, something I actively was pushing for, and now that they're doing it in a way that isn't like going on a local news or radio station, it's an "issue" or it's "bush league". The reality is, it's the most direct to consumer approach you could possibly take, and synergy with a brand that just got a ton of exposure thanks to that Netflix documentary.
AEW is put under a microscope so hard because some people, including here, CHOOSE to do that, and CHOOSE to find what they deem to be a problem and conflate it and flat out ignore other posters to continue to conflate it. I agree with Tumbleweed wholeheartedly, that stuff like that has made this board exhausting, more than anything else that I feel people have deemed a problem with it, and that's my two cents on the matter.
Hope the appearance by Paul was fun for the audience and does actively help move tickets, since the last local advertisement he and Henry did seemed to move a lot.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 20, 2023 16:37:15 GMT -5
I will say it's hard to judge someone's performance in terms of live events from the outside looking in. There's always stuff you can criticize but selling tickets has always been partly based on promotion but also based on creative. I would not have faulted WCW's live event team in 1999-2000 for their massive drop in live attendance. The creative turned fans off to the product and you couldn't get folks to pay for those shows no matter how much you talked about it. Obviously AEW is in a bit of a different boat to some extent. Most agree that the creative isn't as good as it was on 2021 and parts of 2022 but it's still a usually well received product and has stabilized their ratings. Their PPV business is still strong. So live events does stand out. But we're also comparing their business to WWE which is hot and no one will top them when they're on fire and to AEW a few years ago where they were converting fans to paying customers at an unheard of rate. So it could be that Jarrett is bad at his job. But this is also not an easy job per se. The answers to improving live gates isn't always obvious. WWE has all the tricks imaginable and still have low periods every few years. My main point is - it's hard to judge anyone's role here too much with what we know. But it's never on one person to sell tickets. It's everyone from TK to the live event team to the wrestlers themselves.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 20, 2023 16:40:31 GMT -5
OVW's still like, a wrestling promotion, right? It's not a roller derby league or a freeform beat poetry re-enactment of Shakespeare? I ask because plugging your show at a local indie to directly get to the audience of people in the area who buy tickets to wrestling shows seems like such a dead obvious and basic way to do marketing that the straws you guys are grasping at are covered in scratch marks. Was this even "AEW sent Big Show to plug tickets" or did OVW want Paul Wight and Tony said "Sure, but have him plug our upcoming Louisville show" as some quid pro quo for signing off on the appearance? Do we know? This is weird.More likely this, coupled with the fact that Show was already in Louisville to do the local news circuit like he and Mark Henry do for all the towns AEW goes to, and further coupled with the fact that Big Show is an OVW alum and OVW is currently more popular and noteworthy than it generally is because of the "Wrestlers" docuseries on Netflix. The fact that this thread got bumped just to lol at AEW for promoting its show at OVW is mind-numbing. Makes me feel like I took a wrong turn and wound up on r/scjerk or something. Feels like it's worth mentioning that AEW is trending towards drawing 4500-5000 or so by belltime, and WWE never ever sells YUM out either (I was personally in attendance for the November 2021 RAW that drew around 5500. I should post my pictures of the empty hard cam side that night but I'm not a tool), but this conversation is getting exhausting. It's not like AEW is averse to working with/using indies, either. Nick Wayne got his AEW contract offered post-match at a DEFY show last year, very specifically to drum up some year-and-a-half away hype for the kid and generate some headlines. Don and Takeshita showed up to beat up Kenny at a AAA press event. Using indie promotions to cut/further angles seems like more of a weird thing than just being 'Hey we're in town soon come see us'. It airing on OVW's 'tv' isn't even that weird to me because like. Are they supposed to cut out a part of the show live? I don't even register that as a cogent criticism. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 20, 2023 17:08:09 GMT -5
I mean, honestly? The only crime of sorts was that they’re promoting a BOGO offer now.
Especially since the venue WWE’s in next week did that last month.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 20, 2023 17:19:03 GMT -5
I mean, honestly? The only crime of sorts was that they’re promoting a BOGO offer now. Especially since the venue WWE’s in next week did that last month.  It's almost like BOGO offers are just a thing venues do to pull people in because the free combo tickets still represent people in the building who might buy food and drink to make the venue money, thereby making cramming people into the building a desirable outcome for everybody involved. |
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Post by jm on Oct 20, 2023 17:52:19 GMT -5
It's amazing how it's always the same group of posters who bump this thread and other threads in this part of the forum and always talk about how much AEW sucks, yet they turn around and claim to be AEW fans.
No wonder I hardly ever come into this forum anymore aside from the show threads. This part of the forum has become rotten.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 20, 2023 17:59:13 GMT -5
I mean, honestly? The only crime of sorts was that they’re promoting a BOGO offer now. Especially since the venue WWE’s in next week did that last month. Look at this minor league shit. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 20, 2023 17:59:35 GMT -5
Yeah I saw that and all I kept thinking about CM Punk's comments about a "buy one get one free sale" that had people spinning their shirts over their heads like they're Petey Pablo. Before I entered this thread today I thought it was gonna be that post by that extreme Sting fan who went viral for the lack of seats during Sting announcing his retirement. That man was furious. That comment was made towards WrestleMania being a two night event and had nothing to do with tickets. And nothing Punk has said has really aged well anyway lol As for that video, that arena drew really well by belltime, so I don't even know what that video would be about outside of attention. A retirement window announcement isn't the actual retirement of a man, and that'll be Revolution, a much bigger arena. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 20, 2023 18:03:24 GMT -5
I mean, honestly? The only crime of sorts was that they’re promoting a BOGO offer now. Especially since the venue WWE’s in next week did that last month. It's almost like people will be selective in their rage when it benefits their viewpoint and their ability to bash a rival brand even if it gets constantly contradicted, as that will be ignored to further the fact what the rival did is embarrassing and "bush league". You wonder why people keep saying tribalism is a problem... people trying to make this as big a deal as they did really feels like we've reached a new peak of AEW concern/doomposting |
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