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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 8, 2023 1:37:29 GMT -5
Another poor turnout, this is becoming a big problem now and it's sad to see Utah has never been a good turnout for Dynamite The lowest attended Dynamite pre-pandemic was Utah, add on the ticket prices being too high, this sadly isn't a huge shock I don't see it as a "Huge Problem" as it's fixable if they adjust ticket prices, this is just not a market that turns out for them seemingly. They were literally selling tickets for $16 twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1710078641479061593? |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 8, 2023 1:49:32 GMT -5
Utah has never been a good turnout for Dynamite The lowest attended Dynamite pre-pandemic was Utah, add on the ticket prices being too high, this sadly isn't a huge shock I don't see it as a "Huge Problem" as it's fixable if they adjust ticket prices, this is just not a market that turns out for them seemingly. They were literally selling tickets for $16 ? Doesn't seem to have been advertised well and idk how long they were doing that before belltime But you can see in the exact same tweet that this arena didn't draw well the last time they were there either. Maybe Utah just isn't a good stop for them in general. |
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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 8, 2023 4:27:46 GMT -5
They were literally selling tickets for $16 ? Doesn't seem to have been advertised well and idk how long they were doing that before belltime But you can see in the exact same tweet that this arena didn't draw well the last time they were there either. Maybe Utah just isn't a good stop for them in general. This isn't just a problem with Utah, for quite awhile now they've been struggling to sell tickets wherever they go in America. Grandslam they literally only moved thousands of tickets in the last few days because they were offering buy one get one free. Next Saturday they're selling tickets for as cheap as $10 and that's not selling well twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1710661914802458771?This Tuesday they have a buy one get one free deal twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1709999792770646090?When you get to the point of having to offer these deals all the time yes you do have a problem. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 8, 2023 4:35:22 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to have been advertised well and idk how long they were doing that before belltime But you can see in the exact same tweet that this arena didn't draw well the last time they were there either. Maybe Utah just isn't a good stop for them in general. This isn't just a problem with Utah, for quite awhile now they've been struggling to sell tickets wherever they go in America. Grandslam they literally only moved thousands of tickets in the last few days because they were offering buy one get one free. Next Saturday they're selling tickets for as cheap as $10 and that's not selling well This Tuesday they have a buy one get one free deal When you get to the point of having to offer these deals all the time yes you do have a problem. Yes, they need to lower the ticket prices and not wait until the 11th hour to offer deals because by then the people who might've been checking to buy a ticket have already made other plans or moved on That plus just more advertisement of the shows, seems to be a current running theme that they need to fix |
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Post by Glitch on Oct 8, 2023 5:41:21 GMT -5
The advertisement really needs to ramp up. I only knew about the Oakland date because someone on FB told me. Having a list of dates appear on air during episodes would really help.
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Post by rajaah on Oct 8, 2023 9:56:24 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to have been advertised well and idk how long they were doing that before belltime But you can see in the exact same tweet that this arena didn't draw well the last time they were there either. Maybe Utah just isn't a good stop for them in general. This isn't just a problem with Utah, for quite awhile now they've been struggling to sell tickets wherever they go in America. Grandslam they literally only moved thousands of tickets in the last few days because they were offering buy one get one free. Next Saturday they're selling tickets for as cheap as $10 and that's not selling well This Tuesday they have a buy one get one free deal When you get to the point of having to offer these deals all the time yes you do have a problem. I can back all of this up. TD Garden show in July I got tickets for $40 (upper level but yeah). Grand Slam in NYC I paid about $25 per ticket (again upper level). They were offering floor seats for $500 which is hilarious, but that wasn't the get-in price. The get-in prices tend to be fairly low. The high-end prices do exist, but aren't an impediment for getting people into the building. It isn't the ticket prices causing poor attendance. It's the fact that the company tried to be UFC-lite with W/L records, long drawn-out matches, SO much ROH, etc. Khan was never a writer, he was a match maker. People tune into wrestling for the stories and characters, and AEW was never adept at either. They're improving at that a bit in 2023 at least. Emulate 2000 WWF, not UFC. People were desperate for an alternative and were thrilled to get one, but for a lot of them the alternative ended up not really being what they hoped for, so they bailed once WWE started getting good again. Overlong matches and moves being no-sold over and over, with little story behind matches, turned off several people I know personally despite my efforts to support the product. The shows being so damn dark is probably also an issue. All In and Wrestledream both looked pretty vibrant compared to the normal AEW show and I wish they'd use those kinds of setups more often (bright arena, more colors, white ropes). Even just having some kind of color light on the crowd during matches adds a lot of life to a show and I'm not sure why they stopped doing that after early 2020. A new era is very much needed but I really wish they'd change up the look of the show. Just some crowd color would add so much. I'd go with gold to differentiate it from the other shows (and because WCW briefly tried that for two weeks in 2000 and it greatly livened up the presentation). Also Punk's behavior / bailing after All Out 2022 did a ton of damage to audience perception and interest. While less than the scrum, his recent firing also did a lot of damage to fan perception of the company (not because they like him or he was right, but because it just highlights the disappointment people feel at things not working out the way they hoped). They put him over the entire roster and then he left, great look there. I say all of this as a humongous fan but not a biased one. They're in some degree of trouble and I hope they dig their way out of it soon. |
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Post by THE FVNKER on Oct 8, 2023 10:46:50 GMT -5
The advertisement really needs to ramp up. I only knew about the Oakland date because someone on FB told me. Having a list of dates appear on air during episodes would really help. Weren't they having Excalibur run down the next like, four or five shows when Dynamite first started airing? If they haven't been doing that, or they stopped, they need to do it again. |
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Oct 8, 2023 10:51:59 GMT -5
This isn't just a problem with Utah, for quite awhile now they've been struggling to sell tickets wherever they go in America. Grandslam they literally only moved thousands of tickets in the last few days because they were offering buy one get one free. Next Saturday they're selling tickets for as cheap as $10 and that's not selling well This Tuesday they have a buy one get one free deal When you get to the point of having to offer these deals all the time yes you do have a problem. I can back all of this up. TD Garden show in July I got tickets for $40 (upper level but yeah). Grand Slam in NYC I paid about $25 per ticket (again upper level). They were offering floor seats for $500 which is hilarious, but that wasn't the get-in price. The get-in prices tend to be fairly low. The high-end prices do exist, but aren't an impediment for getting people into the building. It isn't the ticket prices causing poor attendance. It's the fact that the company tried to be UFC-lite with W/L records, long drawn-out matches, SO much ROH, etc. Khan was never a writer, he was a match maker. People tune into wrestling for the stories and characters, and AEW was never adept at either. They're improving at that a bit in 2023 at least. Emulate 2000 WWF, not UFC. People were desperate for an alternative and were thrilled to get one, but for a lot of them the alternative ended up not really being what they hoped for, so they bailed once WWE started getting good again. Overlong matches and moves being no-sold over and over, with little story behind matches, turned off several people I know personally despite my efforts to support the product. The shows being so damn dark is probably also an issue. All In and Wrestledream both looked pretty vibrant compared to the normal AEW show and I wish they'd use those kinds of setups more often (bright arena, more colors, white ropes). Even just having some kind of color light on the crowd during matches adds a lot of life to a show and I'm not sure why they stopped doing that after early 2020. A new era is very much needed but I really wish they'd change up the look of the show. Just some crowd color would add so much. I'd go with gold to differentiate it from the other shows (and because WCW briefly tried that for two weeks in 2000 and it greatly livened up the presentation). Also Punk's behavior / bailing after All Out 2022 did a ton of damage to audience perception and interest. While less than the scrum, his recent firing also did a lot of damage to fan perception of the company (not because they like him or he was right, but because it just highlights the disappointment people feel at things not working out the way they hoped). They put him over the entire roster and then he left, great look there. I say all of this as a humongous fan but not a biased one. They're in some degree of trouble and I hope they dig their way out of it soon. AEW is not in some degree of trouble. There is peaks and valleys and AEW just had a massive peak in their last 4 PPV’s….Khan is close to signing huge media deal. Tickets are down…but AEW is not in trouble. Adjustments are always needed and Khan seems to be nimble enough to keep making them. Punk leaving AEW is great for the company in long run. This pissant t-shirt company is going mighty fine and tickets will rebound when next boom period comes around. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 8, 2023 11:01:21 GMT -5
This isn't just a problem with Utah, for quite awhile now they've been struggling to sell tickets wherever they go in America. Grandslam they literally only moved thousands of tickets in the last few days because they were offering buy one get one free. Next Saturday they're selling tickets for as cheap as $10 and that's not selling well This Tuesday they have a buy one get one free deal When you get to the point of having to offer these deals all the time yes you do have a problem. I can back all of this up. TD Garden show in July I got tickets for $40 (upper level but yeah). Grand Slam in NYC I paid about $25 per ticket (again upper level). They were offering floor seats for $500 which is hilarious, but that wasn't the get-in price. The get-in prices tend to be fairly low. The high-end prices do exist, but aren't an impediment for getting people into the building. It isn't the ticket prices causing poor attendance. It's the fact that the company tried to be UFC-lite with W/L records, long drawn-out matches, SO much ROH, etc. Khan was never a writer, he was a match maker. People tune into wrestling for the stories and characters, and AEW was never adept at either. They're improving at that a bit in 2023 at least. Emulate 2000 WWF, not UFC. People were desperate for an alternative and were thrilled to get one, but for a lot of them the alternative ended up not really being what they hoped for, so they bailed once WWE started getting good again. Overlong matches and moves being no-sold over and over, with little story behind matches, turned off several people I know personally despite my efforts to support the product. The shows being so damn dark is probably also an issue. All In and Wrestledream both looked pretty vibrant compared to the normal AEW show and I wish they'd use those kinds of setups more often (bright arena, more colors, white ropes). Even just having some kind of color light on the crowd during matches adds a lot of life to a show and I'm not sure why they stopped doing that after early 2020. A new era is very much needed but I really wish they'd change up the look of the show. Just some crowd color would add so much. I'd go with gold to differentiate it from the other shows (and because WCW briefly tried that for two weeks in 2000 and it greatly livened up the presentation). Also Punk's behavior / bailing after All Out 2022 did a ton of damage to audience perception and interest. While less than the scrum, his recent firing also did a lot of damage to fan perception of the company (not because they like him or he was right, but because it just highlights the disappointment people feel at things not working out the way they hoped). They put him over the entire roster and then he left, great look there. I say all of this as a humongous fan but not a biased one. They're in some degree of trouble and I hope they dig their way out of it soon. I think the issue goes back to the show being fairly boring most of 2022, then Brawl Out happened. Ticket sales tend to be a long term thing so while AEW has been very good much of this year (and especially after firing Punk) they really aren't going to see an increase in attendance till time passes Nothing too serious IMO but just dealing with issues of 2022 |
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Oct 8, 2023 16:23:21 GMT -5
I think the stories, characters and reasons for being there live are a part of it too. Prices are part of it yeah but take Collison yesterday as an example
I watched it tonight and I enjoyed the title change and the majority of the matches but there isn’t really a hot storyline right now to sell the AEW name on and random matches like Acclaimed vs Iron Savages & Eddie Kingston vs Komander weren’t even announced to sell tickets on and let’s be honest likely wouldn’t have anyway
I paid about £400 for my two tickets to All In but that was a novelty for UK audiences to see them and even next year it will still be a novelty but they don’t have that luxury in America
It’s not doom and gloom, just an acknowledgment that improvements need to be made in their strategies
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 8, 2023 16:52:22 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t think the show is all doom and gloom. There’s lots to like and enjoy, and I’m sure TK is happy with things. But things feel a bit lukewarm in the presentation (the audio issues being the biggest), and the mega glacial slowburn stuff Tony loves does not always make for compelling tv or something you’d pay to see live.
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Post by DichEvans on Oct 8, 2023 16:53:43 GMT -5
I think the stories, characters and reasons for being there live are a part of it too. Prices are part of it yeah but take Collison yesterday as an example I watched it tonight and I enjoyed the title change and the majority of the matches but there isn’t really a hot storyline right now to sell the AEW name on and random matches like Acclaimed vs Iron Savages & Eddie Kingston vs Komander weren’t even announced to sell tickets on and let’s be honest likely wouldn’t have anyway I paid about £400 for my two tickets to All In but that was a novelty for UK audiences to see them and even next year it will still be a novelty but they don’t have that luxury in America It’s not doom and gloom, just an acknowledgment that improvements need to be made in their strategies MJF has been actively feuding with people who most casuals (80% of the market) don't know. I don't know if that is the best thing they should be doing with a formally hot World Champ |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 8, 2023 17:39:27 GMT -5
The shows are just cold right now. It happens. Copeland coming in is a good addition but they need more stuff on the shows like MJF/Cole, Toni Storm and characters like that. Dream matches are great and all but they just need more.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 8, 2023 17:48:19 GMT -5
I think we're definitely getting better as far as storylines go, but TK should really consider bringing in some talent for strengthening the story aspect of his shows. No idea what his writing background is, but it is okay to rely on others who have more experience.
But I mean, this is all okay. Remember, AEW is still new; no wrestling company had this stuff nailed down immediately and there's absolutely stuff to figure out.
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Post by Fade on Oct 8, 2023 18:54:06 GMT -5
I think we're definitely getting better as far as storylines go, but TK should really consider bringing in some talent for strengthening the story aspect of his shows. No idea what his writing background is, but it is okay to rely on others who have more experience. But I mean, this is all okay. Remember, AEW is still new; no wrestling company had this stuff nailed down immediately and there's absolutely stuff to figure out. Jimmy jacobs was spearheading most creative stuff last I heard |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 8, 2023 19:01:53 GMT -5
I think the stories, characters and reasons for being there live are a part of it too. Prices are part of it yeah but take Collison yesterday as an example I watched it tonight and I enjoyed the title change and the majority of the matches but there isn’t really a hot storyline right now to sell the AEW name on and random matches like Acclaimed vs Iron Savages & Eddie Kingston vs Komander weren’t even announced to sell tickets on and let’s be honest likely wouldn’t have anyway I paid about £400 for my two tickets to All In but that was a novelty for UK audiences to see them and even next year it will still be a novelty but they don’t have that luxury in America It’s not doom and gloom, just an acknowledgment that improvements need to be made in their strategies MJF has been actively feuding with people who most casuals (80% of the market) don't know. I don't know if that is the best thing they should be doing with a formally hot World Champ The "casuals" don't know the vast majority of AEW"s roster, but the "casuals" don't tune in to watch AEW just because ex-WWE guys hold the belt. We're not seeing seismic shifts in the ratings this week building to Jay White from what we saw back months ago when MJF feuded with Mox and Danielson. Collision's ratings haven't been massively different with the absence of CM Punk. Hell, the biggest ratings successes MJF had came from his thing with Adam Cole, a guy who 'the casuals' also don't know because he was only ever on NXT. Booking the show for the people not watching the show has never made sense. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 8, 2023 19:01:54 GMT -5
AEW new era needs to have a lot of changes. Dream matches is find but make it means something. Build it up. This is why Jay white and MJF needs to have weekly promos and ext. As well as other matches full gear. Really build it up. I feel something has been way off in marketing all of sudden. The ticket sales just dropped so bad and I often asking why? this was still a notice dropping and issues selling even with Punk return until his exit. So it goes beyond just Punk. Its everything around it as well.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 8, 2023 19:03:21 GMT -5
Adam Cole's injury is unfortunate, but for MJF there's an intriguing Jay White feud coming, the mystery of the DEVIL NINJAS, and, hopefully, Swerve as next man up.
Though by MJF's own admission, his recent promo spot on last week's Dynamite was pretty weaksauce. Not up to his usual standard.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 8, 2023 19:05:10 GMT -5
MJF has been actively feuding with people who most casuals (80% of the market) don't know. I don't know if that is the best thing they should be doing with a formally hot World Champ The "casuals" don't know the vast majority of AEW"s roster, but the "casuals" don't tune in to watch AEW just because ex-WWE guys hold the belt. We're not seeing seismic shifts in the ratings this week building to Jay White from what we saw back months ago when MJF feuded with Mox and Danielson. Collision's ratings haven't been massively different with the absence of CM Punk. Hell, the biggest ratings successes MJF had came from his thing with Adam Cole, a guy who 'the casuals' also don't know because he was only ever on NXT. Booking the show for the people not watching the show has never made sense. If something is good enough and gets time, it generates buzz and ThE CaSuAL vIeWeR will pay attention. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 8, 2023 19:23:14 GMT -5
...are we really talking about the product being cold after basically everything they've been doing since All In?
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