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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 22, 2022 20:30:29 GMT -5
This whole thing smacks of then signing him because he was available and not really understanding what they have in him. I know I'm repeating myself but he should be a top main event guy. The fact they can't even find anything sustainable to do with him is jarring I think they did. Problem is they got a lot of other people they like too and they jumped over the totem pole
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Post by Fade on Dec 22, 2022 21:15:10 GMT -5
I mean, thats probably the best answer Meltzer could give. That’s Meltzer’s new finisher, since the scrum, anytime a wrestler calls him out. On Miro..I think everyone’s nailed it: They picked up homey at a convenient time. Dude transcended , character-wise, and he’s a World-Beater. But he feels well beyond the mid-card and unfathomable in the Main Event scene for…reasons. I agree that losing to Hobbs..I dunno. It could have been good but I see, coming from his perspective, “the f*** are you doing with me?” Hope for the best but the worst part is that contract stuff. It’s a no-win for anyone. I mean Miro gets paid, AEW develops the stories it wants, but it’s messed up. Wrestlers need to be fighting for shorter-contracts.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 22, 2022 22:09:52 GMT -5
Meanwhile.....
Sammy Guevara: Is Miro gonna punch me on Wednesday?
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 22, 2022 22:36:40 GMT -5
The misuse of him is insane. Not booking him now with one foot out the door is one thing but to not use him properly when he was first signed is egregious. He overcame the idiotic "best man" stuff and then just kinda disappeared. It is insane how he really find character that was over huge and they completely have butchered him booking wise. This seems to be occurring a lot with guys in AEW. This whole thing smacks of then signing him because he was available and not really understanding what they have in him. I know I'm repeating myself but he should be a top main event guy. The fact they can't even find anything sustainable to do with him is jarring Miro could easily be a top guy and one of their top heels and even for that matter a future AEW champion. There is absolutely no reason he should be this directionless or that Tony can't find something exciting for him to do when there are so many places he could go with God's champion or chosen one.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 23, 2022 0:08:27 GMT -5
The misuse of him is insane. Not booking him now with one foot out the door is one thing but to not use him properly when he was first signed is egregious. He overcame the idiotic "best man" stuff and then just kinda disappeared. It is insane how he really find character that was over huge and they completely have butchered him booking wise. This seems to be occurring a lot with guys in AEW. This whole thing smacks of then signing him because he was available and not really understanding what they have in him. I know I'm repeating myself but he should be a top main event guy. The fact they can't even find anything sustainable to do with him is jarring Miro could easily be a top guy and one of their top heels and even for that matter a future AEW champion. There is absolutely no reason he should be this directionless or that Tony can't find something exciting for him to do when there are so many places he could go with God's champion or chosen one. Who else is being butchered if you're gonna throw out a blanket statement like that? And if Miro is once again rejecting feud ideas and storylines where he isn't feeling the direction, that's also on him, you can say AEW's not finding the right path for him but a Hobbs/Miro feud sounds like money even if he were to lose a match within it I do hope they work something out obviously, but it seems to be a two way street of what that needs to be. Wouldn't mind if he was the one to dethrone Cassidy if he really needs to have a belt.
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 23, 2022 0:30:38 GMT -5
It is insane how he really find character that was over huge and they completely have butchered him booking wise. This seems to be occurring a lot with guys in AEW. Miro could easily be a top guy and one of their top heels and even for that matter a future AEW champion. There is absolutely no reason he should be this directionless or that Tony can't find something exciting for him to do when there are so many places he could go with God's champion or chosen one. Who else is being butchered if you're gonna throw out a blanket statement like that? And if Miro is once again rejecting feud ideas and storylines where he isn't feeling the direction, that's also on him, you can say AEW's not finding the right path for him but a Hobbs/Miro feud sounds like money even if he were to lose a match within it I do hope they work something out obviously, but it seems to be a two way street of what that needs to be. Wouldn't mind if he was the one to dethrone Cassidy if he really needs to have a belt. Lets see in terms of guys with momentum that have been aimless Miro, FTR, Wardlow, Eddie Kingston, Darby Allen, Daniel Garcia (I don't even care for him but he was getting over at one point) among some of the guys I listed just so it isn't a blanket statement for you. Miro is one of their most over talent and yet all they wanted him to basically be build up to lose to someone else. This would have also been the third time he would have been in a tournament just to lose in a year. I don't expect Miro to (nor should he) win every match but really is that the best they got is to just use him to put people over. I get you feel you have to white knight and defended everything Tony Khan does but the company is not perfect and the company has dropped the ball on people.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 23, 2022 1:03:35 GMT -5
Who else is being butchered if you're gonna throw out a blanket statement like that? And if Miro is once again rejecting feud ideas and storylines where he isn't feeling the direction, that's also on him, you can say AEW's not finding the right path for him but a Hobbs/Miro feud sounds like money even if he were to lose a match within it I do hope they work something out obviously, but it seems to be a two way street of what that needs to be. Wouldn't mind if he was the one to dethrone Cassidy if he really needs to have a belt. Lets see in terms of guys with momentum that have been aimless Miro, FTR, Wardlow, Eddie Kingston, Darby Allen, Daniel Garcia (I don't even care for him but he was getting over at one point) among some of the guys I listed just so it isn't a blanket statement for you. Miro is one of their most over talent and yet all they wanted him to basically be build up to lose to someone else. This would have also been the third time he would have been in a tournament just to lose in a year. I don't expect Miro to (nor should he) win every match but really is that the best they got is to just use him to put people over. I get you feel you have to white knight and defended everything Tony Khan does but the company is not perfect and the company has dropped the ball on people. I thank you for that, so my thoughts on those listed are: - Kingston just had a huge match with Jun Akiyama which he won, and has been featured steadily on AEW television in feuds all year and is still incredibly over, he hasn't won a big title yet, but he's in a position where imo he can easily get there when given the opportunity, the MJF promo where he called him out proved that - FTR didn't win the AEW Tag Titles, but have been presented as a constant force the entire year, right up until now where they've hit a storyline slump. FTR/Bricoes might have just had match of the year a few weeks ago, I think of all the ones listed these guys have been in the best position, constantly featured, and very rarely losing - Darby's in a nice spot where he's with Sting and keeps winning feuds he's in. He brings the best out of his opponents constantly and to me he doesn't need a belt right now. I am sure he'll get there again though, it feels like he's gonna be a huge part of when Sting finally hangs it up. - Wardlow's momentum got rocked by the MJF incident, he at the very least had a fine TNT Title reign and now with a more defined direction is feuding with Joe, and I feel like that's a good spot for him, and the crowd still decidedly seems into him. He just didn't rocket power his way to the world title like people thought, but idk if that's the worst thing really. He has a lot of time and 2023's looking better for him - Garcia's an interesting one, because Regal leaving I feel stopped a few BCC storylines and they re-calibrated. There's no doubt he was getting over as a face for them to hit the reset button, I think the end game is still for Garcia to turn on Jericho, but I think doing it internally as he gets more and more annoyed at Sammy Guevara is an easy way for the crowd to love him again, because the crowd hates Guevara just that much. I'm not saying Tony Khan is a perfect man or that things couldn't be going better for some wrestlers and their pushes, and I am also advocating that things go better for these wrestlers. I just don't think all hope is lost, especially with the ones you noted. It's also not that I don't see some of the issues pointed out either. So if you could please stop calling me a white knight who "Has to defend everything AEW" that'd be f***ing fantastic tbh, because I don't do that, but I will counterpoint something if I see the logic to, and that's all I'm continuing to do, which is why I asked for you to give me examples to see where I stood on the situations, not even entirely disagreeing with what you're saying, just giving my response, that's what the board does. So essentially, we can do without that, you didn't need to include that in your post, and I wasn't being a dick towards you whatsoever for you to throw that in there just to make me feel bad. Frankly, shit like this is exhausting for me, and I do not and did not call you an "AEW Hater" nor dismiss your thoughts for not being on the same product wavelength as me or being more down on certain aspects of the product. I thought your points were constructive. It'd be nice to be given the same respect when I dare reply to someone anymore without enjoying a product being thrown in my face like some weapon, instead of being called some blind white knight defender all the time. Sorry for the second half of this turning into a vent, but I'm just tired man, I feel like this just keeps happening and I'm getting poked until I eventually have to say something, and I hope what I said doesn't ruffle any feathers, cause that's never my intention either. I like this place, I've been here a decade, and I hate being considered a problem after all that time.
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Post by deezy on Dec 23, 2022 3:42:50 GMT -5
Lets see in terms of guys with momentum that have been aimless Miro, FTR, Wardlow, Eddie Kingston, Darby Allen, Daniel Garcia (I don't even care for him but he was getting over at one point) among some of the guys I listed just so it isn't a blanket statement for you. Miro is one of their most over talent and yet all they wanted him to basically be build up to lose to someone else. This would have also been the third time he would have been in a tournament just to lose in a year. I don't expect Miro to (nor should he) win every match but really is that the best they got is to just use him to put people over. I get you feel you have to white knight and defended everything Tony Khan does but the company is not perfect and the company has dropped the ball on people. I thank you for that, so my thoughts on those listed are: - Kingston just had a huge match with Jun Akiyama which he won, and has been featured steadily on AEW television in feuds all year and is still incredibly over, he hasn't won a big title yet, but he's in a position where imo he can easily get there when given the opportunity, the MJF promo where he called him out proved that - FTR didn't win the AEW Tag Titles, but have been presented as a constant force the entire year, right up until now where they've hit a storyline slump. FTR/Bricoes might have just had match of the year a few weeks ago, I think of all the ones listed these guys have been in the best position, constantly featured, and very rarely losing - Darby's in a nice spot where he's with Sting and keeps winning feuds he's in. He brings the best out of his opponents constantly and to me he doesn't need a belt right now. I am sure he'll get there again though, it feels like he's gonna be a huge part of when Sting finally hangs it up. - Wardlow's momentum got rocked by the MJF incident, he at the very least had a fine TNT Title reign and now with a more defined direction is feuding with Joe, and I feel like that's a good spot for him, and the crowd still decidedly seems into him. He just didn't rocket power his way to the world title like people thought, but idk if that's the worst thing really. He has a lot of time and 2023's looking better for him - Garcia's an interesting one, because Regal leaving I feel stopped a few BCC storylines and they re-calibrated. There's no doubt he was getting over as a face for them to hit the reset button, I think the end game is still for Garcia to turn on Jericho, but I think doing it internally as he gets more and more annoyed at Sammy Guevara is an easy way for the crowd to love him again, because the crowd hates Guevara just that much. I'm not saying Tony Khan is a perfect man or that things couldn't be going better for some wrestlers and their pushes, and I am also advocating that things go better for these wrestlers. I just don't think all hope is lost, especially with the ones you noted. It's also not that I don't see some of the issues pointed out either. So if you could please stop calling me a white knight who "Has to defend everything AEW" that'd be f***ing fantastic tbh, because I don't do that, but I will counterpoint something if I see the logic to, and that's all I'm continuing to do, which is why I asked for you to give me examples to see where I stood on the situations, not even entirely disagreeing with what you're saying, just giving my response, that's what the board does. So essentially, we can do without that, you didn't need to include that in your post, and I wasn't being a dick towards you whatsoever for you to throw that in there just to make me feel bad. Frankly, shit like this is exhausting for me, and I do not and did not call you an "AEW Hater" nor dismiss your thoughts for not being on the same product wavelength as me or being more down on certain aspects of the product. I thought your points were constructive. It'd be nice to be given the same respect when I dare reply to someone anymore without enjoying a product being thrown in my face like some weapon, instead of being called some blind white knight defender all the time. Sorry for the second half of this turning into a vent, but I'm just tired man, I feel like this just keeps happening and I'm getting poked until I eventually have to say something, and I hope what I said doesn't ruffle any feathers, cause that's never my intention either. I like this place, I've been here a decade, and I hate being considered a problem after all that time. To me the MJF incident didn't have anything to do with Wardlows momentum being slowed a bit. It was his booking after winning the TNT title. Putting him in a pointless tag team with Joe when they could of started fended without being a tag team.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 23, 2022 3:51:13 GMT -5
I thank you for that, so my thoughts on those listed are: - Kingston just had a huge match with Jun Akiyama which he won, and has been featured steadily on AEW television in feuds all year and is still incredibly over, he hasn't won a big title yet, but he's in a position where imo he can easily get there when given the opportunity, the MJF promo where he called him out proved that - FTR didn't win the AEW Tag Titles, but have been presented as a constant force the entire year, right up until now where they've hit a storyline slump. FTR/Bricoes might have just had match of the year a few weeks ago, I think of all the ones listed these guys have been in the best position, constantly featured, and very rarely losing - Darby's in a nice spot where he's with Sting and keeps winning feuds he's in. He brings the best out of his opponents constantly and to me he doesn't need a belt right now. I am sure he'll get there again though, it feels like he's gonna be a huge part of when Sting finally hangs it up. - Wardlow's momentum got rocked by the MJF incident, he at the very least had a fine TNT Title reign and now with a more defined direction is feuding with Joe, and I feel like that's a good spot for him, and the crowd still decidedly seems into him. He just didn't rocket power his way to the world title like people thought, but idk if that's the worst thing really. He has a lot of time and 2023's looking better for him - Garcia's an interesting one, because Regal leaving I feel stopped a few BCC storylines and they re-calibrated. There's no doubt he was getting over as a face for them to hit the reset button, I think the end game is still for Garcia to turn on Jericho, but I think doing it internally as he gets more and more annoyed at Sammy Guevara is an easy way for the crowd to love him again, because the crowd hates Guevara just that much. I'm not saying Tony Khan is a perfect man or that things couldn't be going better for some wrestlers and their pushes, and I am also advocating that things go better for these wrestlers. I just don't think all hope is lost, especially with the ones you noted. It's also not that I don't see some of the issues pointed out either. So if you could please stop calling me a white knight who "Has to defend everything AEW" that'd be f***ing fantastic tbh, because I don't do that, but I will counterpoint something if I see the logic to, and that's all I'm continuing to do, which is why I asked for you to give me examples to see where I stood on the situations, not even entirely disagreeing with what you're saying, just giving my response, that's what the board does. So essentially, we can do without that, you didn't need to include that in your post, and I wasn't being a dick towards you whatsoever for you to throw that in there just to make me feel bad. Frankly, shit like this is exhausting for me, and I do not and did not call you an "AEW Hater" nor dismiss your thoughts for not being on the same product wavelength as me or being more down on certain aspects of the product. I thought your points were constructive. It'd be nice to be given the same respect when I dare reply to someone anymore without enjoying a product being thrown in my face like some weapon, instead of being called some blind white knight defender all the time. Sorry for the second half of this turning into a vent, but I'm just tired man, I feel like this just keeps happening and I'm getting poked until I eventually have to say something, and I hope what I said doesn't ruffle any feathers, cause that's never my intention either. I like this place, I've been here a decade, and I hate being considered a problem after all that time. To me the MJF incident didn't have anything to do with Wardlows momentum being slowed a bit. It was his booking after winning the TNT title. Putting him in a pointless tag team with Joe when they could of started fended without being a tag team. The MJF incident definitely didn't help, it took some shine off his moment, and even Wardlow's commented on that before Now that's not to say that the booking couldn't have pushed him a bit stronger, but honestly I'm still curious how much some wrestlers trajectories were curbed by obvious stuff that happened this year. I also didn't mind WarJoe, I thought it was a fun little way to have them run through people until Joe's turn. It gave them at least something to jumpstart the feud instead of rolling right into it, but some peeps want to just get to the point, understandable This upcoming Dynamite is a big spot for him and a big match, I hope he's able to deliver. I feel like Wardlow since the Hobbs feud and stuff like the Cage match has been on a much steadier ground lately.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 23, 2022 6:41:20 GMT -5
It is insane how he really find character that was over huge and they completely have butchered him booking wise. This seems to be occurring a lot with guys in AEW. Miro could easily be a top guy and one of their top heels and even for that matter a future AEW champion. There is absolutely no reason he should be this directionless or that Tony can't find something exciting for him to do when there are so many places he could go with God's champion or chosen one. Who else is being butchered if you're gonna throw out a blanket statement like that? And if Miro is once again rejecting feud ideas and storylines where he isn't feeling the direction, that's also on him, you can say AEW's not finding the right path for him but a Hobbs/Miro feud sounds like money even if he were to lose a match within it I do hope they work something out obviously, but it seems to be a two way street of what that needs to be. Wouldn't mind if he was the one to dethrone Cassidy if he really needs to have a belt. Sure, some of it is on him, but it never should have gotten here to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 6:52:23 GMT -5
Something that should be mentioned with Darby is that he has a major match coming up soon where he going to team up with Sting and The Great Muta in Keiji Muto last match as the Great Muta before he retired. I won't be surprised if he off tv atm so he can prepared for that match. Last thing you wanted is darby getting injured before a historic match.
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Post by clifford on Dec 23, 2022 7:01:58 GMT -5
This is a dude who should be one of your top guys in the whole company. Not upper midcard, not monster heel who flirts with the main event scene every few months, but literally, one of the top 4 or 5 guys the entire company revolves around. Since losing the TNT title, he lost to Danielson in the Eliminator tournament, lost the 4-way at Forbidden Door, lost the 6-man tag at All Out.
Yeah, you know what, I agree, he shouldn't be just losing again then at Full Gear.
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 23, 2022 7:05:16 GMT -5
Lets see in terms of guys with momentum that have been aimless Miro, FTR, Wardlow, Eddie Kingston, Darby Allen, Daniel Garcia (I don't even care for him but he was getting over at one point) among some of the guys I listed just so it isn't a blanket statement for you. Miro is one of their most over talent and yet all they wanted him to basically be build up to lose to someone else. This would have also been the third time he would have been in a tournament just to lose in a year. I don't expect Miro to (nor should he) win every match but really is that the best they got is to just use him to put people over. I get you feel you have to white knight and defended everything Tony Khan does but the company is not perfect and the company has dropped the ball on people. I thank you for that, so my thoughts on those listed are: - Kingston just had a huge match with Jun Akiyama which he won, and has been featured steadily on AEW television in feuds all year and is still incredibly over, he hasn't won a big title yet, but he's in a position where imo he can easily get there when given the opportunity, the MJF promo where he called him out proved that - FTR didn't win the AEW Tag Titles, but have been presented as a constant force the entire year, right up until now where they've hit a storyline slump. FTR/Bricoes might have just had match of the year a few weeks ago, I think of all the ones listed these guys have been in the best position, constantly featured, and very rarely losing - Darby's in a nice spot where he's with Sting and keeps winning feuds he's in. He brings the best out of his opponents constantly and to me he doesn't need a belt right now. I am sure he'll get there again though, it feels like he's gonna be a huge part of when Sting finally hangs it up. - Wardlow's momentum got rocked by the MJF incident, he at the very least had a fine TNT Title reign and now with a more defined direction is feuding with Joe, and I feel like that's a good spot for him, and the crowd still decidedly seems into him. He just didn't rocket power his way to the world title like people thought, but idk if that's the worst thing really. He has a lot of time and 2023's looking better for him - Garcia's an interesting one, because Regal leaving I feel stopped a few BCC storylines and they re-calibrated. There's no doubt he was getting over as a face for them to hit the reset button, I think the end game is still for Garcia to turn on Jericho, but I think doing it internally as he gets more and more annoyed at Sammy Guevara is an easy way for the crowd to love him again, because the crowd hates Guevara just that much. I'm not saying Tony Khan is a perfect man or that things couldn't be going better for some wrestlers and their pushes, and I am also advocating that things go better for these wrestlers. I just don't think all hope is lost, especially with the ones you noted. It's also not that I don't see some of the issues pointed out either. So if you could please stop calling me a white knight who "Has to defend everything AEW" that'd be f***ing fantastic tbh, because I don't do that, but I will counterpoint something if I see the logic to, and that's all I'm continuing to do, which is why I asked for you to give me examples to see where I stood on the situations, not even entirely disagreeing with what you're saying, just giving my response, that's what the board does. So essentially, we can do without that, you didn't need to include that in your post, and I wasn't being a dick towards you whatsoever for you to throw that in there just to make me feel bad. Frankly, shit like this is exhausting for me, and I do not and did not call you an "AEW Hater" nor dismiss your thoughts for not being on the same product wavelength as me or being more down on certain aspects of the product. I thought your points were constructive. It'd be nice to be given the same respect when I dare reply to someone anymore without enjoying a product being thrown in my face like some weapon, instead of being called some blind white knight defender all the time. Sorry for the second half of this turning into a vent, but I'm just tired man, I feel like this just keeps happening and I'm getting poked until I eventually have to say something, and I hope what I said doesn't ruffle any feathers, cause that's never my intention either. I like this place, I've been here a decade, and I hate being considered a problem after all that time. *Kingston's huge match was render into into a pre show match without any build up. He's also consistently lost every feud including one to Jericho which seemed to have really set him back * FTR was the hottest tag team most this year but spend most of the time in heatless feuds and Tony Khan didn't do anything note with them * Wardlow momentum definitely took a hit and no it had nothing to do with MJF since he still got a huge pop when he destroyed him. But booking him in random feuds throw away feuds that like FTR were heatless didn't help. Tony thought it was actually a good idea to have Wardlow feud with security guards fresh off his MJF feud * Darby's feuds have just felt like random generated matches and Tony Khan has done nothing that actually give his feuds any interest or hype. *Garcia's going to have suffer the same problem to do with everyone where they wait too long for anyone cares anymore with pulling the trigger and there's things too called "striking while the irons hot". No one can go on this form making any critical comment on AEW without you jumping in having to defend them aggressively or obnoxiously at every turn. All the while you will have no issue trashing WWE (and as always I want to make it clear I ain't defending WWE neither because they do a lot of crap too) Instead of trying to backtrack and act like I was just being unnecessarily aggressive own the fact that you perhaps get overly defensive of AEW. Again no wrestling company is perfect. Respect the fact not everyone is going to sing the praise of Tony or AEW.
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 23, 2022 7:23:28 GMT -5
This is a dude who should be one of your top guys in the whole company. Not upper midcard, not monster heel who flirts with the main event scene every few months, but literally, one of the top 4 or 5 guys the entire company revolves around. Since losing the TNT title, he lost to Danielson in the Eliminator tournament, lost the 4-way at Forbidden Door, lost the 6-man tag at All Out. Yeah, you know what, I agree, he shouldn't be just losing again then at Full Gear. Miro won at All Out. That was House of Black's last match before their hiatus.
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Post by clifford on Dec 23, 2022 7:28:38 GMT -5
This is a dude who should be one of your top guys in the whole company. Not upper midcard, not monster heel who flirts with the main event scene every few months, but literally, one of the top 4 or 5 guys the entire company revolves around. Since losing the TNT title, he lost to Danielson in the Eliminator tournament, lost the 4-way at Forbidden Door, lost the 6-man tag at All Out. Yeah, you know what, I agree, he shouldn't be just losing again then at Full Gear. Miro won at All Out. That was House of Black's last match before their hiatus. Shit my bad, got confused and misremembered he was on the face team in that match. The bit he was doing where he was teasing being corrupted by Black's mist threw me there. I guess my point still stands; they have been throwing him scraps when he should be getting the best potential feuds going. Like, Mox/Miro, Hangman/Miro, Kenny/Miro, Wardlow/Miro, MJF/Miro; you can legitimately put him up against any of AEW's top, top guys, and have a programme with amazing promos, fantastic storytelling, and great matches.
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 23, 2022 7:38:14 GMT -5
Shit my bad, got confused and misremembered he was on the face team in that match. The bit he was doing where he was teasing being corrupted by Black's mist threw me there. I guess my point still stands; they have been throwing him scraps when he should be getting the best potential feuds going. Like, Mox/Miro, Hangman/Miro, Kenny/Miro, Wardlow/Miro, MJF/Miro; you can legitimately put him up against any of AEW's top, top guys, and have a programme with amazing promos, fantastic storytelling, and great matches. I wouldn't say they've been offering Miro scraps (a hoss fight vs Hobbs would've been a lot of fun similar to your proposed Miro/Wardlow idea, and a tournament run, even in a loss at the finals, would've given him wins over credible opponents and TV time) but I don't think he's being used to his full potential either. The trouble with AEW's roster size is that they've got like two dozen people who could easily and credibly be top guys, so it's inevitable some folks aren't gonna be used to the best of their ability.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 23, 2022 8:00:35 GMT -5
The trouble with AEW's roster size is that they've got like two dozen people who could easily and credibly be top guys, so it's inevitable some folks aren't gonna be used to the best of their ability. And unlike with WWE, where there was (is?) an obvious boogeyman to blame for that, with AEW it’s kinda something we just have to come to terms with. Unless the main event scene becomes a revolving door (after all, what’s the point being a main eventer if you can’t actually BE a main eventer for a while?), there is no practical way to push all of those two dozen people to that level at once. Some will have to wait their turn, some might never get there, and most of the time it’s not personal. It shouldn’t get to the point of “We need to hire openly less talented wrestlers” just to have it so nobody is clamouring for them to be in the main event and them being midcarders is good enough.
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Post by clifford on Dec 23, 2022 8:06:35 GMT -5
Shit my bad, got confused and misremembered he was on the face team in that match. The bit he was doing where he was teasing being corrupted by Black's mist threw me there. I guess my point still stands; they have been throwing him scraps when he should be getting the best potential feuds going. Like, Mox/Miro, Hangman/Miro, Kenny/Miro, Wardlow/Miro, MJF/Miro; you can legitimately put him up against any of AEW's top, top guys, and have a programme with amazing promos, fantastic storytelling, and great matches. I wouldn't say they've been offering Miro scraps (a hoss fight vs Hobbs would've been a lot of fun similar to your proposed Miro/Wardlow idea, and a tournament run, even in a loss at the finals, would've given him wins over credible opponents and TV time) but I don't think he's being used to his full potential either. The trouble with AEW's roster size is that they've got like two dozen people who could easily and credibly be top guys, so it's inevitable some folks aren't gonna be used to the best of their ability. Yeah, I guess my argument is that, for me, Miro is the biggest waste of potential in AEW right now. when you factor in his age, his ability, and his overness. I know and accept that not everyone can be one of the top guys, and that some guys are going to be misused/not given enough, but Miro just pisses me off the most.
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Post by pinja on Dec 23, 2022 9:00:47 GMT -5
The trouble with AEW's roster size is that they've got like two dozen people who could easily and credibly be top guys, so it's inevitable some folks aren't gonna be used to the best of their ability. And unlike with WWE, where there was (is?) an obvious boogeyman to blame for that, with AEW it’s kinda something we just have to come to terms with. Unless the main event scene becomes a revolving door (after all, what’s the point being a main eventer if you can’t actually BE a main eventer for a while?), there is no practical way to push all of those two dozen people to that level at once. Some will have to wait their turn, some might never get there, and most of the time it’s not personal. It shouldn’t get to the point of “We need to hire openly less talented wrestlers” just to have it so nobody is clamouring for them to be in the main event and them being midcarders is good enough. Fans wanting everyone in the main event of WWE also had to do with the midcard being dire. Likely that's the main reason. If you weren't in the main event of WWE you were likely doing nothing or meaningless programs. AEW should not fall into the same trap and concentrate on a strong midcard. That is how Miro got over in the first place, both in WWE and AEW.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 23, 2022 9:43:17 GMT -5
Someone saying Kingston has not been lost in the shuffle. His match against Jun was a pre show match with no build. Since July, he’s wrestled on Dynamite one time. He’s definitely been deemphasized for the better part of a half year.
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