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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 24, 2023 13:51:54 GMT -5
I just wish Miro would understand that the purpose of monster heels is to be the insurmountable odds that are eventually surmounted by a babyface.
I also wish he would understand that Hangman is a former champion who's way more over than Miro and has a finisher that could kill a cockroach. And that Hobbs is a younger talent who, at that time, had never held an AEW title whereas Miro is already a made man.
Plus with Hobbs the timeframe fits around when they decided he was winning the TNT title so it would give him credibility
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Post by koreycaskets on Mar 24, 2023 13:55:51 GMT -5
Rusev Day was fun, but I really miss the whole Bulgarian Brute with the Ravishing Russian Lana stuff. I thought he'd be huge in AEW, ah well.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 24, 2023 14:16:56 GMT -5
Maybe I’m wrong, I’m beginning to wonder if the ex WWE guys are really that up their own asses. Especially, him, Punk, Andrade, FTR. At least Mox, Jericho and Danielson seem to actually give a shit about the company. I think it’s a real coin flip with who comes in and their origins, I guess. Keith Lee, Swerve and (to an extent) Malakai are former independent stars who are willing to be flexible and, in Swerve’s case, have understandable chips on their shoulders. People like Miro have mostly only known the WWE system and how it works and likely knew people or bookers that understood stuff through that system too so anything outside of it gets a different response. It’s not to justify anything but it’s something that’ll hopefully get not so much phased out as people have a growing awareness of the differences between AEW and WWE like the difference between US and Japanese wrestling and the demands that talent have for both. With FTR, Dax openly admits on his podcast that at least he didn't have the best attitude when he got to AEW because he wanted to prove WWE wrong and if he didn't like a suggestion he got resentful. But he also has said that as he got to know people and he got comfortable dealing with his anxiety and depression his relationship has changed and he has developed a lot of friendships in AEW. FTR may be playing too much into the will they or won't they but they do genuinely seem happy. But... yeah. Swerve has been pretty open about being happier in AEW with the freedom. I dunno how much has changed, but I know Buddy Matthews has said in past interviews that he was tired of killing himself to get any attention in WWE. The issues Malakai has had were not related to creative. I have seen people who came from WWE give (fair) critques of AEW talent at time... but a lot of those critiques came during the Daley's era where they were a small crew in one area. I'm wondering if a lot has changed as not only the crowds have come back, but also the indy talent have started to get over on their own.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 24, 2023 16:25:21 GMT -5
It's also possible that a lot of ex-WWE people had the perception that AEW would be like WCW or TNA where they'd get big pushes instead of the homegrown talent. Because that's what always happened. And to be fair, a lot of early champions were former WWE people (Jericho, Mox, Punk, Cody, Brodie etc) as well as several of the more prominent non-champs. But now we've moved into a phase of the company's life where the pushes are going more to "homegrown" and indy talent as opposed to guys mostly known for WWE or long-term vets. Some guys like Danielson and Sting are perfectly fine with this. Even Jericho, as prominent as he still is, is lending his star power to get folks like 2point0, Garcia, and (unfortunately) Guevara over. Hell, he did the job to a complete unknown like Action Andretti on national live TV just to get people talking about the kid.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 24, 2023 16:53:35 GMT -5
Dude gave being thrown over the top rope by a main eventer like Hangman the “That doesn’t work for me, brother”?
It’s hard enough getting people to accept clean pinfalls and submissions without adding ancillary methods of victory into the mix. What’s next, won’t even lose by DQ or countout?
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Post by XIII on Mar 24, 2023 16:54:45 GMT -5
I’m betting that he’s trying to get Lana a job and TK won’t do it on account that she’s basically terrible. lol
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Mar 24, 2023 17:26:14 GMT -5
I’m betting that he’s trying to get Lana a job and TK won’t do it on account that she’s basically terrible. lol The thing is, she's not terrible, in the right role, which is a manager. She's for sure not meant to be a wrestler, though, yeah.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 24, 2023 18:05:08 GMT -5
Losing in a battle royal to Hangman seems like the most harmless thing ever, him turning that down feels like it says a lot more about Miro than it does AEW
Dudedid nothing bit job in WWE, trying to big league AEW isn't working and I'm honestly glad it isn't. I love what the dude can do, his Redeemer gimmick was and is amazing, but he has to realize that him taking bumps or putting over other guys isn't going to hurt him at this point and he can always quickly rebound
Last year at Forbidden Door, no one gave a shit about Clark Conners in the four way match... until he speared Miro through the table. That bump changed the entire energy of the match, and the crowd immediately got behind Conners... if Miro understood the power he actually had in putting talent over, this would be so much easier, but the dude feels like he has too much ego for his own good.
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Post by Legion on Mar 24, 2023 18:15:07 GMT -5
Miro has definitely bought in to his own hype.
I know we dont like giving Vince credit for anything, but the more and more that we hear about Miro the more and more I think maybe Vince was right in his assessment of where Miro should be on a card.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 24, 2023 18:18:58 GMT -5
Miro has definitely bought in to his own hype. I know we dont like giving Vince credit for anything, but the more and more that we hear about Miro the more and more I think maybe Vince was right in his assessment of where Miro should be on a card. I don't necessarily agree on your last point. He should have been booked better. HOWEVER, this does show that he might not have the makeup to be "The Guy"
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 24, 2023 18:19:28 GMT -5
Vince dropped the ball with him and I don't think Miro acting like a dick changes that for me.
But that said, I've been a fan of his for a while and even I'm starting to sour on him a bit due to this silliness.
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Post by KME on Mar 24, 2023 18:25:54 GMT -5
Tough to see what they do with him now. All the suggestions out to him for his return seem to still result in him jobbing which I can kinda see why he's against, who makes a triumphant return, cos let's face it lots of people really want him to come back, and loses? Wouldn't have been an issue when he'd just been gone a short period, like if Pac had come back and challenged Adam Cole nobody would think anything of it if he lost, but now coming back with a loss would feel very flat and probably makes him think his future isn't all that bright, he's been gone so long it feels like he'd only come back if he's getting a win and a push and whether he deserves that after refusing to put over a bunch of guys is very debatable.
Said it in the Punk thread but I think AEW should let him go, which is sad to say cos he's a beast, very charismatic and very over, plus from a personal standpoint I haven't had the chance to watch him live in AEW, but I just can't really see how they resolve the issues of him turning everything down or that Tony doesn't seem to see Miro at the level Miro sees himself not to mention Tony caving to him may make him look weak. CJ making jabs at AEW in the past doesn't help either, they could do without any toxicity moving forward whether that's Miro, Punk, Andrade or whoever.
Even writing all this I'd still pop if he came back 🤣 it's such a weird situation.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 24, 2023 18:49:02 GMT -5
I’m betting that he’s trying to get Lana a job and TK won’t do it on account that she’s basically terrible. lol The thing is, she's not terrible, in the right role, which is a manager. She's for sure not meant to be a wrestler, though, yeah. *shrug* To each their own, but CJ was only good as an archetype that wasn't her actual nationality, which worked incredibly well due to Miro/Rusev's presence and ability. She did well with that one character, but beyond that, she is another generic, good-looking blonde with a very low ceiling.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 24, 2023 19:19:45 GMT -5
I do think WWE misused him if only because Rusev Day was over and they reportedly told him "No they're cheering it to make fun of you don't listen to them" and never capitalized on any of it. There's definitely a middle ground where the guy deserved better than multiple "My wife left me" storylines and headgames from management, and maybe doesn't really have the clout and must-have superstar top guy power he thinks he's holding out for the recognition of.
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Post by Richard on Mar 24, 2023 20:00:29 GMT -5
He posted something about an animated project he helped voice over premiering so I thought it had to do with that.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Mar 24, 2023 20:07:08 GMT -5
Either Khan put creative control into his contract or his contract gets frozen when he doesn't work by choice. If the former he needs to accept something sooner or later as he won't get CC in the event of a WWE return (and Khan was foolish in giving it to him in the first place). If the latter then I hope he knows what he's doing as he's losing his prime years and money goes fast (especially with the high rollers lifestyle he and CJ seem to live on social media).
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Post by Starshine on Mar 24, 2023 20:28:29 GMT -5
Honestly, Miro can just f*** off and take Andrade with him. Go ahead and let them waste away at home while their prime years pass them by.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Mar 24, 2023 20:32:53 GMT -5
If the battle royal story is true, that has to be the single lamest “not wanting to job” story in the history of wrestling. A battle royal!
Undertaker was eliminated by Maven. Andre the Giant once eliminated himself running away from a snake. Macho Man was eliminated going for a pin! Their legends remain intact, I’m pretty sure Miro would be fine getting tossed by Hangman.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 24, 2023 21:09:40 GMT -5
I do think WWE misused him if only because Rusev Day was over and they reportedly told him "No they're cheering it to make fun of you don't listen to them" and never capitalized on any of it. There's definitely a middle ground where the guy deserved better than multiple "My wife left me" storylines and headgames from management, and maybe doesn't really have the clout and must-have superstar top guy power he thinks he's holding out for the recognition of. They wouldn't even put the f***ing Tag Titles on them.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 24, 2023 21:11:36 GMT -5
I liked Miro's Redeemer character, but I really think Tony should just let him go now.
Miro's taking up roster space at this point.
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