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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 21, 2022 19:24:59 GMT -5
They’re members of the AEW roster, I’m sure being ROH champs mean f*** all to them. AAA never takes titles seriously and the IWGP titles are the only legit titles they’re holding. I still think they got a raw deal when the Bucks were tag champs and they (especially Dax) just aren’t over it. Bad Luck Fale and Chase Owens had the belts for a month earlier this year, and Tama Tonga/Tanga Loa had a stranglehold over the belts for years with mediocre matches galore. The IWGP tag belts really don't mean anything either. Eh, it goes up and down, but I will agree it hasn't been consistent.
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Post by XIII on Nov 21, 2022 21:59:34 GMT -5
I don’t know about the other one, but bald Revival guy is a 100% clown
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Post by Facetious on Nov 21, 2022 22:51:09 GMT -5
They’re members of the AEW roster, I’m sure being ROH champs mean f*** all to them. AAA never takes titles seriously and the IWGP titles are the only legit titles they’re holding. I still think they got a raw deal when the Bucks were tag champs and they (especially Dax) just aren’t over it. Bad Luck Fale and Chase Owens had the belts for a month earlier this year, and Tama Tonga/Tanga Loa had a stranglehold over the belts for years with mediocre matches galore. The IWGP tag belts really don't mean anything either. The last decade they've been the shitty gaijin mandatory belt. I'm pretty sure the worst Bullet Club teams have held it hostage
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 22, 2022 0:57:20 GMT -5
Bad Luck Fale and Chase Owens had the belts for a month earlier this year, and Tama Tonga/Tanga Loa had a stranglehold over the belts for years with mediocre matches galore. The IWGP tag belts really don't mean anything either. The last decade they've been the shitty gaijin mandatory belt. I'm pretty sure the worst Bullet Club teams have held it hostage Not especially in a while, honestly, outside of the totally bad Chase and Fale, which yeah, terrible. Looking at the past 10 years or so, about half have been gaijin teams, and even most of those have some credibility. Maybe not the Kingdom for a lot of people, granted, or people retroactively pretending no one has ever given a shit about Karl Anderson, but most have been credible. I think a bigger issue has been inconsistency, with some people getting the belt way too briefly or others having it for long stretches where they barely had any title defenses. Also too reliant on Guerrillas of Destiny, but I wouldn't call them shitty, just overused for the tag titles as a booking crutch.
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Post by canceled4truth on Nov 22, 2022 8:35:25 GMT -5
You know, I think Dax would be better off if he logged off Twitter for a long ass time, but at the same time, the most recent example of "IWC darling gets horrifically botched title run" that I can think of was U.S. Champion Finn Balor — who also got beaten like a drum in singles matches as champ, left off of a major PPV (okay, PLE) and generally felt like a background character — and wow, that was quite the difference in reaction. Of course, Finn doesn't come off as a moody high school freshman on his social media profiles, so I understand why people would feel more sympathy for him. But, like, I see basically zero daylight in the booking situations except for the response here.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 22, 2022 8:48:58 GMT -5
You know, I think Dax would be better off if he logged off Twitter for a long ass time, but at the same time, the most recent example of "IWC darling gets horrifically botched title run" that I can think of was U.S. Champion Finn Balor — who also got beaten like a drum in singles matches as champ, left off of a major PPV (okay, PLE) and generally felt like a background character — and wow, that was quite the difference in reaction. Of course, Finn doesn't come off as a moody high school freshman on his social media profiles, so I understand why people would feel more sympathy for him. But, like, I see basically zero daylight in the booking situations except for the response here. You didn’t put a link in the tags, it just lands back here.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 22, 2022 9:03:27 GMT -5
You know, I think Dax would be better off if he logged off Twitter for a long ass time, but at the same time, the most recent example of "IWC darling gets horrifically botched title run" that I can think of was U.S. Champion Finn Balor — who also got beaten like a drum in singles matches as champ, left off of a major PPV (okay, PLE) and generally felt like a background character — and wow, that was quite the difference in reaction. Of course, Finn doesn't come off as a moody high school freshman on his social media profiles, so I understand why people would feel more sympathy for him. But, like, I see basically zero daylight in the booking situations except for the response here. It's because people are more willing to go to bat for AEW because they haven't wrecked all their good will like WWE has over the last 30-40 years.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 22, 2022 10:34:13 GMT -5
You know, I think Dax would be better off if he logged off Twitter for a long ass time, but at the same time, the most recent example of "IWC darling gets horrifically botched title run" that I can think of was U.S. Champion Finn Balor — who also got beaten like a drum in singles matches as champ, left off of a major PPV (okay, PLE) and generally felt like a background character — and wow, that was quite the difference in reaction. Of course, Finn doesn't come off as a moody high school freshman on his social media profiles, so I understand why people would feel more sympathy for him. But, like, I see basically zero daylight in the booking situations except for the response here. I don't see a tag champ losing singles matches as being comparable to a singles champ losing singles matches in the least. FTR have lost all of two actual tag and trios matches in 2022. And if you look at Dax's singles matches, yeah there's some unanswered losses there like Adam Cole and Claudio, but he also has singles losses against guys like Ospreay and Lethal who he has tag wins over. Basic wrestling logic there on what a tag team specialist can do in their element versus in a singles match. Finn's run was like a month and a half long. FTR have held the titles and main evented multiple B-tier PPVs and specials. There's room to dislike this without trying to make absurd comparisons. The whole tone of this conversation gets weirder the more that people bring in "if you don't dislike this then you're an AEW apologist/hypocrite" implications. Nothing they're doing is so bad that it deserves that level of discourse, come on.
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Post by Andy Martin on Nov 22, 2022 10:47:54 GMT -5
These are grown ass men acting like that, too. It’s so f***ing strange. And Punk is old too lol. Homeboy should be worrying about his mortgage payments but was out there simping for Bret Well I meant to include him in there as well, of course.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 22, 2022 11:10:54 GMT -5
You know, I think Dax would be better off if he logged off Twitter for a long ass time, but at the same time, the most recent example of "IWC darling gets horrifically botched title run" that I can think of was U.S. Champion Finn Balor — who also got beaten like a drum in singles matches as champ, left off of a major PPV (okay, PLE) and generally felt like a background character — and wow, that was quite the difference in reaction. Of course, Finn doesn't come off as a moody high school freshman on his social media profiles, so I understand why people would feel more sympathy for him. But, like, I see basically zero daylight in the booking situations except for the response here. I don't see a tag champ losing singles matches as being comparable to a singles champ losing singles matches in the least. FTR have lost all of two actual tag and trios matches in 2022. And if you look at Dax's singles matches, yeah there's some unanswered losses there like Adam Cole and Claudio, but he also has singles losses against guys like Ospreay and Lethal who he has tag wins over. Basic wrestling logic there on what a tag team specialist can do in their element versus in a singles match. Finn's run was like a month and a half long. FTR have held the titles and main evented multiple B-tier PPVs and specials. There's room to dislike this without trying to make absurd comparisons. The whole tone of this conversation gets weirder the more that people bring in "if you don't dislike this then you're an AEW apologist/hypocrite" implications. Nothing they're doing is so bad that it deserves that level of discourse, come on. AEW also isn't really responsible for how New Japan and AAA book their champions. "Tag specialist losing in singles matches" is also a wrestling booking trope as old as time. But yeah, FTR as a team has a fantastic record in AEW. And they've already been tag champs once. Granted, it was during the empty Daily's Place pandemic Era. Only the Bucks had a second tag championship reign and in hindsight, it was a transition reign to Swerve/Lee and the Acclaimed. These kinds of posts coming out of the woodwork the past couple of days now are also weird. Most of the people posting here who like AEW also have been pretty complimentary of WWE's product since Triple H took over. And there's been a lot more criticism of AEW (yes, from AEW fans) the last few months. The old "You wouldn't say this about WWE. Checkmate, AEW simps!" standby isn't effective anymore.
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Post by clifford on Nov 22, 2022 11:56:07 GMT -5
I don't see a tag champ losing singles matches as being comparable to a singles champ losing singles matches in the least. FTR have lost all of two actual tag and trios matches in 2022. And if you look at Dax's singles matches, yeah there's some unanswered losses there like Adam Cole and Claudio, but he also has singles losses against guys like Ospreay and Lethal who he has tag wins over. Basic wrestling logic there on what a tag team specialist can do in their element versus in a singles match. Finn's run was like a month and a half long. FTR have held the titles and main evented multiple B-tier PPVs and specials. There's room to dislike this without trying to make absurd comparisons. The whole tone of this conversation gets weirder the more that people bring in "if you don't dislike this then you're an AEW apologist/hypocrite" implications. Nothing they're doing is so bad that it deserves that level of discourse, come on. AEW also isn't really responsible for how New Japan and AAA book their champions. "Tag specialist losing in singles matches" is also a wrestling booking trope as old as time. But yeah, FTR as a team has a fantastic record in AEW. And they've already been tag champs once. Granted, it was during the empty Daily's Place pandemic Era. Only the Bucks had a second tag championship reign and in hindsight, it was a transition reign to Swerve/Lee and the Acclaimed. These kinds of posts coming out of the woodwork the past couple of days now are also weird. Most of the people posting here who like AEW also have been pretty complimentary of WWE's product since Triple H took over. And there's been a lot more criticism of AEW (yes, from AEW fans) the last few months. The old "You wouldn't say this about WWE. Checkmate, AEW simps!" standby isn't effective anymore. It is funny that the concern trolling also dropped off a cliff on this board when the AEW fans started with the legitimate criticisms of current-AEW.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 22, 2022 12:21:18 GMT -5
I don’t know about the other one, but bald Revival guy is a 100% clown To Wheeler's credit, he's been quiet about any grievances with AEW on Twitter compared to Harwood.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 22, 2022 13:44:23 GMT -5
AEW also isn't really responsible for how New Japan and AAA book their champions. "Tag specialist losing in singles matches" is also a wrestling booking trope as old as time. But yeah, FTR as a team has a fantastic record in AEW. And they've already been tag champs once. Granted, it was during the empty Daily's Place pandemic Era. Only the Bucks had a second tag championship reign and in hindsight, it was a transition reign to Swerve/Lee and the Acclaimed. These kinds of posts coming out of the woodwork the past couple of days now are also weird. Most of the people posting here who like AEW also have been pretty complimentary of WWE's product since Triple H took over. And there's been a lot more criticism of AEW (yes, from AEW fans) the last few months. The old "You wouldn't say this about WWE. Checkmate, AEW simps!" standby isn't effective anymore. It is funny that the concern trolling also dropped off a cliff on this board when the AEW fans started with the legitimate criticisms of current-AEW. I’d say more that the concern trolling accusations lessened because now the more vocal AEW fans were also criticizing the product, alongside the other posters that were doing so.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 22, 2022 17:35:42 GMT -5
I don't see a tag champ losing singles matches as being comparable to a singles champ losing singles matches in the least. FTR have lost all of two actual tag and trios matches in 2022. And if you look at Dax's singles matches, yeah there's some unanswered losses there like Adam Cole and Claudio, but he also has singles losses against guys like Ospreay and Lethal who he has tag wins over. Basic wrestling logic there on what a tag team specialist can do in their element versus in a singles match. Finn's run was like a month and a half long. FTR have held the titles and main evented multiple B-tier PPVs and specials. There's room to dislike this without trying to make absurd comparisons. The whole tone of this conversation gets weirder the more that people bring in "if you don't dislike this then you're an AEW apologist/hypocrite" implications. Nothing they're doing is so bad that it deserves that level of discourse, come on. AEW also isn't really responsible for how New Japan and AAA book their champions. "Tag specialist losing in singles matches" is also a wrestling booking trope as old as time. But yeah, FTR as a team has a fantastic record in AEW. And they've already been tag champs once. Granted, it was during the empty Daily's Place pandemic Era. Only the Bucks had a second tag championship reign and in hindsight, it was a transition reign to Swerve/Lee and the Acclaimed. These kinds of posts coming out of the woodwork the past couple of days now are also weird. Most of the people posting here who like AEW also have been pretty complimentary of WWE's product since Triple H took over. And there's been a lot more criticism of AEW (yes, from AEW fans) the last few months. The old "You wouldn't say this about WWE. Checkmate, AEW simps!" standby isn't effective anymore. I basically took a break from the forum because I thought some people were simply being too much of a dicks and were getting into my nerves(plus hanging out with friends overall) to come back and find about what, 2 closed threads and people trying to shit on AEW with critiscism that were old 2 years ago ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I guess I did the right choice. Probably cause the PPV always causes discourse, for best or worst
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 22, 2022 17:43:25 GMT -5
AEW also isn't really responsible for how New Japan and AAA book their champions. "Tag specialist losing in singles matches" is also a wrestling booking trope as old as time. But yeah, FTR as a team has a fantastic record in AEW. And they've already been tag champs once. Granted, it was during the empty Daily's Place pandemic Era. Only the Bucks had a second tag championship reign and in hindsight, it was a transition reign to Swerve/Lee and the Acclaimed. These kinds of posts coming out of the woodwork the past couple of days now are also weird. Most of the people posting here who like AEW also have been pretty complimentary of WWE's product since Triple H took over. And there's been a lot more criticism of AEW (yes, from AEW fans) the last few months. The old "You wouldn't say this about WWE. Checkmate, AEW simps!" standby isn't effective anymore. It is funny that the concern trolling also dropped off a cliff on this board when the AEW fans started with the legitimate criticisms of current-AEW. Oh you can still find it here and there, but it's made labeling it much easier and it much more easier to point out imo.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 22, 2022 18:23:51 GMT -5
I do take issue with Dax losing every singles match he has but that's less a, "They're making a champion look weak," thing and more of a, "Why do they keep giving ample amounts of screentime to this guy's matches and making a big deal out of them when you know going in he's going to get beaten like a drum regardless, rendering it utterly useless," thing. Though he hasn't had a singles match since September anyway so it's really not a terribly relevant complaint presently anyway.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 22, 2022 19:03:27 GMT -5
So New Japan gave these two bozos their tag titles to hold hostage so they can use them to bitch about the Elite and AEW.
Swell.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 23, 2022 14:06:51 GMT -5
I had to share this (language warning):
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Post by Dub H on Nov 23, 2022 15:09:27 GMT -5
I have said before, FTR stans Punk & Cornette, that already is a big red flag.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 23, 2022 17:42:05 GMT -5
So New Japan gave these two bozos their tag titles to hold hostage so they can use them to bitch about the Elite and AEW. Swell. I'm not really sure why it's stunning there are people that don't like the young bucks.
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