Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 27, 2022 17:57:49 GMT -5
That was far more reasonable from Dax than I was expecting. Although the thought of him rushing to Punk's aide to wipe the blood from his face is a funny one.
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Post by Burst on Dec 27, 2022 18:21:44 GMT -5
They've had a great AEW run (and if you go back and look at early FTR threads here they've come a LONG way), and I hope they stay with AEW, but both seem to have gotten what they've wanted in AEW and if WWE offers more money and a light schedule, I could see them taking it. Does make me wonder if they'd end up going back to being The Revival Scott Dawson and Dash Wheeler when I'd almost argue they've built a better brand around FTR and their current names. It's funny because in so many ways, their current names and such feels very 2010 Impact Zone, but they've made it work in a way I'd argue few renamed wrestlers have, particularly ones that to my knowledge pretty much got on the map purely through NXT and WWE developmental to start.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 27, 2022 18:29:33 GMT -5
I will say its not reasonable to say
" I hope both sides work out" when one side openly spread lies about you and then assaults you.
Not it's not a I hope both sides work out it's a I hope CM Punk stops being an abusive psychotic toxic asshat.
As someone that has been in the position of having someone abuse mentally me and spread lies about me to my friends group just to have people say " aw geez can't you work out?" Yeh I will say f*** off to that
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 27, 2022 18:35:28 GMT -5
That's where the planning and the rehearsal are never the problem, it's in not giving people the tools to learn how to adapt. A big part of training should be teaching people how to work through botches. Calling a match and building a match backstage are both talents, both viable, but you overcorrect if you force people into only learning one way around it and especially when the one way people learn it is the one that leaves people unaware of how to improvise or think for themselves. I remember an shoot interview clip with I think Kevin Nash where he talked about how guys would always go to Flair for wisdom and have great matches with Flair because he'd build them great matches, but he never really clued anyone in to the how or why, which left people dependent, and I think that's a big part of why WWE does it that way nowadays. Keep people in the system, dependent on WWE and on their agents, produce talents who can work the match laid out for them and stay only within the lines drawn for them, and then be utterly hopeless if they ever step out of WWE's confines. See, I don't think that WWE does it to limit talents. It's just a limitation of how TV-dependent the modern WWE product is, everything has to be done perfectly both in terms of timing and placement for the cameras that they've probably found it easier to teach athletes how to perform in a cookie-cutter way than how to be traditional "wrestlers", and then teach them how to work the WWE style. It's one of the Vinceisms that I can't seeing change entirely with HHH in charge (which is why I don't think guys like FTR are going to flood back to WWE) but it's also a huge reason as to why we're seeing talents like Bianca and Brekker succeed with early mega-pushes. I think there's a lot of reasons they do what they do, and the practicality of training athletic standouts to work a laid-out and rehearsed match where they offload the need to cook up the match structure is obviously a lot simpler and more efficient. But I think there's definitely a facet to it of setting people up in a way that doesn't really leave transferrable skills for anyone to take off with them. People who only know WWE's way of doing things and only know how to have matches handed to them are not really people who can leave WWE healthily just ready to go do something else.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 27, 2022 18:59:12 GMT -5
Key word there is "unselfishly" I don't think Punk is mature enough to be unselfish in working with the Elite again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 19:10:28 GMT -5
Why do I have such a hard time believing this? Like I can totally see Danielson doing this but even as an IL guy and sometimes Punk advocate I don't buy that he didn't want the belt.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 27, 2022 19:17:32 GMT -5
See, I don't think that WWE does it to limit talents. It's just a limitation of how TV-dependent the modern WWE product is, everything has to be done perfectly both in terms of timing and placement for the cameras that they've probably found it easier to teach athletes how to perform in a cookie-cutter way than how to be traditional "wrestlers", and then teach them how to work the WWE style. It's one of the Vinceisms that I can't seeing change entirely with HHH in charge (which is why I don't think guys like FTR are going to flood back to WWE) but it's also a huge reason as to why we're seeing talents like Bianca and Brekker succeed with early mega-pushes. I think there's a lot of reasons they do what they do, and the practicality of training athletic standouts to work a laid-out and rehearsed match where they offload the need to cook up the match structure is obviously a lot simpler and more efficient. But I think there's definitely a facet to it of setting people up in a way that doesn't really leave transferrable skills for anyone to take off with them. People who only know WWE's way of doing things and only know how to have matches handed to them are not really people who can leave WWE healthily just ready to go do something else. Like, there’s an argument to be made that the intention of the WWE system post MNW was to say to people “You’re doing it our way for life” because the indies were seen as desperate and messy in terms of structure in how to get yourself noticed. And sure, there was a point that was mostly true (and still can be, unfortunately) but there is a benefit of being able to adapt to a different style depending on where you’re going and what the audience is. Over here in Ireland, we have OTT and smaller companies like Fight Factory doing the mix of sports entertainment and independent wrestling but we also have places that are literally the kid friendly Butlins-style companies your Bryan Danielsons did to basically perform Pantomime the Wrestling version and adapt to that environment. That’s before you get into other countries or other styles of pro wrestling that have different expectations. WWE’s PC doesn’t seem to prepare you for that because why would they? They’re the top company so their style is, to them, objectively the right one.
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Post by Fade on Dec 27, 2022 19:23:53 GMT -5
Why do I have such a hard time believing this? Like I can totally see Danielson doing this but even as an IL guy and sometimes Punk advocate I don't buy that he didn't want the belt. It’s a toughie but I kind of believe it? I can see Punk saying “no, no, no..” but agreeing to it. TBF, putting the title on Punk made sense in a lot of different ways. I personally didn’t like it but I got it.
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Post by knightrider2099 on Dec 27, 2022 19:26:53 GMT -5
Why do I have such a hard time believing this? Like I can totally see Danielson doing this but even as an IL guy and sometimes Punk advocate I don't buy that he didn't want the belt. Also consider that during Ricky Starks promo a few weeks ago he inferred that MJF took off earlier this year because someone "out politicked" MJF to get the title. Which too me is suggesting Punk.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 27, 2022 19:38:45 GMT -5
Why do I have such a hard time believing this? Like I can totally see Danielson doing this but even as an IL guy and sometimes Punk advocate I don't buy that he didn't want the belt. Also consider that during Ricky Starks promo a few weeks ago he inferred that MJF took off earlier this year because someone "out politicked" MJF to get the title. Which too me is suggesting Punk. Pretty sure Starks is one of the people who's defended Punk so doubt it was meant as a shot at him.
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Post by knightrider2099 on Dec 27, 2022 19:50:48 GMT -5
Also consider that during Ricky Starks promo a few weeks ago he inferred that MJF took off earlier this year because someone "out politicked" MJF to get the title. Which too me is suggesting Punk. Pretty sure Starks is one of the people who's defended Punk so doubt it was meant as a shot at him. But who else could it be. No one else at that time was going after the belt but Punk. Plus it wasn't exactly Ricky insulting Punk but simply stating that MJF was hurt by Punk getting to the belt before him and MJF left.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 27, 2022 20:14:05 GMT -5
They've had a great AEW run (and if you go back and look at early FTR threads here they've come a LONG way), and I hope they stay with AEW, but both seem to have gotten what they've wanted in AEW and if WWE offers more money and a light schedule, I could see them taking it. Does make me wonder if they'd end up going back to being The Revival Scott Dawson and Dash Wheeler when I'd almost argue they've built a better brand around FTR and their current names. It's funny because in so many ways, their current names and such feels very 2010 Impact Zone, but they've made it work in a way I'd argue few renamed wrestlers have, particularly ones that to my knowledge pretty much got on the map purely through NXT and WWE developmental to start. If they were to leave, I think even Triple H would make the argument they made for Cody where you have to go all in on what got them over outside of WWE. But ya never know. I do think they stay outside of WWE and maybe take time off soon though. Again with FTR money talks, but I also think they value all the freedom
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 27, 2022 21:44:31 GMT -5
“Make sure you tell everybody about the Starbucks or no more Sons of the Hitman shirt royalties for you.”
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Post by Fade on Dec 27, 2022 21:51:55 GMT -5
“Make sure you tell everybody about the Starbucks or no more Sons of the Hitman shirt royalties for you.” I’m also curious how much each card had cuz Starbucks is expensive as a MF.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 27, 2022 21:56:12 GMT -5
“Make sure you tell everybody about the Starbucks or no more Sons of the Hitman shirt royalties for you.” I’m also curious how much each card had cuz Starbucks is expensive as a MF. I know people like to act like Punk is still some work a day common man but dude’s a multi millionaire. Lol
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Post by Dub H on Dec 27, 2022 23:52:03 GMT -5
I’m also curious how much each card had cuz Starbucks is expensive as a MF. I know people like to act like Punk is still some work a day common man but dude’s a multi millionaire. Lol And for all his flaws, being a guy that goes crazy with his money isn't one.dude isn't out there living the Flair or even Cena life style
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 28, 2022 0:29:11 GMT -5
Why does the graphic look like they died "Dax and Punk were shot down over Vietnam..." “….their helicopter spun out. There were no survivors.”
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Dec 28, 2022 0:53:31 GMT -5
I snell the scrumgate part 2 thread coming GIF caption: :Colt Cabana knowing Punk is gonna sue Dax in three years and stay entangled in legal fees and red tape for a year:
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 28, 2022 1:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 28, 2022 4:21:41 GMT -5
Perhaps it's just my usual cynicism but Punk buying all the women Starbucks cards is so, so weird to me.
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