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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 29, 2022 7:57:19 GMT -5
My interest in a Punk extends only as far as wondering how long the next thread will be when he inevitably melts down again.
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Post by markymark on Dec 29, 2022 11:31:00 GMT -5
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 29, 2022 11:31:58 GMT -5
Doesn't think anybody wants to listen to him. Makes a podcast. Sure, Bald Jan.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 29, 2022 12:31:53 GMT -5
Dax on Colt Cabana:
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 29, 2022 14:10:28 GMT -5
Obviously Punk has done much more wrong than the young Bucks, but I doubt the Bucks are innocent in all this either (I’m talking about in general, not after All Out). It looks like Punk is kind of open to a return and it would help his boys FTR out greatly if they can do a six man fued with Omega and the Bucks. I hope that they resolve this. Instead of the scrum being a black eye to AEW, it can be like the Montreal screwjob and be a company defining angle
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 29, 2022 14:19:02 GMT -5
I'll just say it because this whole thing is going to be drawn out further;
I don't care if the Bucks and Omega leaked stuff to Meltzer, I don't care if they rubbed people the wrong way backstage with speeches or BTE gags or whatever. I do not care if what Punk said is true and it's all a mess backstage and he was trying to help the company.
Punk still ranted at the press conference. Punk still punched a dude, hit another with a chair and let his friend bite the other. They all got suspended for two months because of the aftermath and pretty much wrecked a lot of company booking during that time with it only now just getting to some kind of stability.
If all this happened backstage and we hear about it with leaks and speculation, that's entirely different to actually doing it publicly. If Punk wants to come back, Punk's got to be the bigger man publicly apologize and no stories about him giving Starbucks vouchers to the women or one-word Instagram replies are going to change that simple fact. And there's nothing in Punk's history that tells me that's going to happen.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 29, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -5
I'll just say it because this whole thing is going to be drawn out further; I don't care if the Bucks and Omega leaked stuff to Meltzer, I don't care if they rubbed people the wrong way backstage with speeches or BTE gags or whatever. I do not care if what Punk said is true and it's all a mess backstage and he was trying to help the company. Punk still ranted at the press conference. Punk still punched a dude, hit another with a chair and let his friend bite the other. They all got suspended for two months because of the aftermath and pretty much wrecked a lot of company booking during that time with it only now just getting to some kind of stability. If all this happened backstage and we hear about it with leaks and speculation, that's entirely different to actually doing it publicly. If Punk wants to come back, Punk's got to be the bigger man publicly apologize and no stories about him giving Starbucks vouchers to the women or one-word Instagram replies are going to change that simple fact. And there's nothing in Punk's history that tells me that's going to happen. Ehh, I’d say a private apology/making amends is more than sufficient here as long as he’s making amends with the people that were wronged. The public, in my opinion, is not owed anything. Not to mention a public apology would likely take a bit of the edge off of a return angle.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 29, 2022 14:23:14 GMT -5
I'll just say it because this whole thing is going to be drawn out further; I don't care if the Bucks and Omega leaked stuff to Meltzer, I don't care if they rubbed people the wrong way backstage with speeches or BTE gags or whatever. I do not care if what Punk said is true and it's all a mess backstage and he was trying to help the company. Punk still ranted at the press conference. Punk still punched a dude, hit another with a chair and let his friend bite the other. They all got suspended for two months because of the aftermath and pretty much wrecked a lot of company booking during that time with it only now just getting to some kind of stability. If all this happened backstage and we hear about it with leaks and speculation, that's entirely different to actually doing it publicly. If Punk wants to come back, Punk's got to be the bigger man publicly apologize and no stories about him giving Starbucks vouchers to the women or one-word Instagram replies are going to change that simple fact. And there's nothing in Punk's history that tells me that's going to happen. Ehh, I’d say a private apology/making amends is more than sufficient here as long as he’s making amends with the people that were wronged. The public, in my opinion, is not owed anything. Not to mention a public apology would likely take a bit of the edge off of a return angle. Isn't Punk the chap who said "the apology must be louder than the offense?"
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Post by chazraps on Dec 29, 2022 14:24:03 GMT -5
"It comes from a place of passion" sounds like the hot new buzzword for people wanting to quickly excuse away acting like an asshole for 2023.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 29, 2022 14:25:51 GMT -5
Ehh, I’d say a private apology/making amends is more than sufficient here as long as he’s making amends with the people that were wronged. The public, in my opinion, is not owed anything. It was seen publicly, it put out a perception that affected discorse for weeks, it clearly affected the product. If it was only the fight, your point would be correct but it wasn't. This goes with anyone in any sport or any medium doing anything publicly that affects a team, a product or a company. It's not rocket science here.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 29, 2022 14:30:44 GMT -5
Ehh, I’d say a private apology/making amends is more than sufficient here as long as he’s making amends with the people that were wronged. The public, in my opinion, is not owed anything. It was seen publicly, it put out a perception that affected discorse for weeks, it clearly affected the product. If it was only the fight, your point would be correct but it wasn't. This goes with anyone in any sport or any medium doing anything publicly that affects a team, a product or a company. It's not rocket science here. I’ll take a stance of disagreeing on that one. If he had offended a group of people (like if he made racist or homophobic comments) then I can see why a public apology is necessary. Here, we’re talking about a personal issue that was aired out and those that were the “victims” are the talent he talked about, the talent he fought, and maybe Khan because it’s his company. The public isn’t owed anything. Not to say a public apology wouldn’t be even better, but I’m not going to be offended as a fan if we don’t hear anything on the matter and then he returns in a hot angle with the Elite months from now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 29, 2022 14:32:29 GMT -5
Hell, the literal first promo of Punk’s AEW career was an apology of sorts. Not a full one but it was more that he was going “I wasn’t in a great place and lashed out”.
So it’s not like he can’t do one.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2022 14:33:36 GMT -5
Like I said before, Punk probably was right about a few things and Bucks could been leaking stuff to Meltz and all that but way he handled it was all the way wrong
If he handled things the right way, good chance the company is built around his image as TK was clearly enamored with him and he was a draw
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 29, 2022 14:33:41 GMT -5
Ehh, I’d say a private apology/making amends is more than sufficient here as long as he’s making amends with the people that were wronged. The public, in my opinion, is not owed anything. Not to mention a public apology would likely take a bit of the edge off of a return angle. Isn't Punk the chap who said "the apology must be louder than the offense?" Sure, in which case maybe the Elite or Khan would insist on a public apology, but I don’t think the fans or public are owed anything here.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2022 14:36:40 GMT -5
Ehh, I’d say a private apology/making amends is more than sufficient here as long as he’s making amends with the people that were wronged. The public, in my opinion, is not owed anything. It was seen publicly, it put out a perception that affected discorse for weeks, it clearly affected the product. If it was only the fight, your point would be correct but it wasn't. This goes with anyone in any sport or any medium doing anything publicly that affects a team, a product or a company. It's not rocket science here. He talked big shit in public, so yes a public apology is needed Usually, I do not care about that shit but when you have no problem openly talking shit and throwing people under the bus, you have crossed the "privacy line". You made a spectacle of the company, your peers and yourself Apologizing would be the adult thing to do and whether people accept it or not is up to them but it would go a way of mending fences and showing some type of growth
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 29, 2022 14:38:37 GMT -5
You can be passionate without being an asshole tho cause if you bring that energy to someone, you should expect it back with no bitching from yourself He just comes across as the guy who "tells it like it is" and when someone else speaks their mind he takes offense.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 29, 2022 14:48:40 GMT -5
It was seen publicly, it put out a perception that affected discorse for weeks, it clearly affected the product. If it was only the fight, your point would be correct but it wasn't. This goes with anyone in any sport or any medium doing anything publicly that affects a team, a product or a company. It's not rocket science here. He talked big shit in public, so yes a public apology is needed Usually, I do not care about that shit but when you have no problem openly talking shit and throwing people under the bus, you have crossed the "privacy line". You made a spectacle of the company, your peers and yourself Apologizing would be the adult thing to do and whether people accept it or not is up to them but it would go a way of mending fences and showing some type of growth That's exactly it for me. And even if there will always be people chanting "F*** CM PUNK!" like what happened in Chicago and a section of fans never accepting the apology, it'd at least put out there that you're willing to amend and start sorting out the issues that you yourself ranted about. Like, if you want to make it an angle after that, whatever, fine, that's the least important part of all this. EDIT: Hell, even if it leads to Punk getting the payout he wants on the contract and he shows up in WWE the next week or whatever, that's the least he owes.
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Post by markymark on Dec 29, 2022 15:03:15 GMT -5
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 29, 2022 15:18:35 GMT -5
Ehh, I’d say a private apology/making amends is more than sufficient here as long as he’s making amends with the people that were wronged. The public, in my opinion, is not owed anything. Not to mention a public apology would likely take a bit of the edge off of a return angle. Isn't Punk the chap who said "the apology must be louder than the offense?" Yes he did, which would make him a bigger hypocritical heel if he did come back if he didn’t do a public apology. I think for this specific instance the apology should be private, and he can admit his wrongdoings after the angle is done with
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 29, 2022 15:21:30 GMT -5
Isn't Punk the chap who said "the apology must be louder than the offense?" Yes he did, which would make him a bigger hypocritical heel if he did come back if he didn’t do a public apology. I think for this specific instance the apology should be private, and he can admit his wrongdoings after the angle is done with Not everything has to be an angle, though. This isn't 1997 anymore and there's no benefit to Tony Khan sitting with Renee to do a "Punk screwed Punk" promo outside of discourse about it copying an angle that only "concluded" this year.
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