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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Oct 30, 2022 4:07:44 GMT -5
I've never thought he should turn heel. He never needed it. He was moving so much merch & bringing in so much money, they never needed to do it. Fans were buying tickets and ordering PPV's. Some to see him lose, others to see him win. The 50/50, (tho He got mostly cheers if we're being honest) made him heel to those who booed him. 50% + 50% = 100%, but the Cena years felt like 50% x 50% = 25%. The product, the show, and the character himself were all lesser for the fact that the booking and the fans couldn't get on the page. And it's not like WWE hasn't adjusted faces to become heels when the audience reaction started to turn (or likely would have turned in short order). The Rock became Hollywood Rock. Austin stayed ahead of the curve by embracing his sworn enemy, Vince McMahon. Bret Hart was vilified in the United States where the WWF ran most of its shows. Randy Savage exploded the Mega Powers because he was jealous of the Luster. I never saw anything in Cena that was beyond who those guys were and what they did in wrestling that meant that Cena could never, ever (forever ever?) turn heel.
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Post by Jonathan Coachman on Oct 30, 2022 4:18:40 GMT -5
This thread title is making me sad
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 30, 2022 4:58:41 GMT -5
Remember when they were heavily hinting that Cena would fight Austin Theory? Right now, the only thing that Theory has got going for him is that he holds the briefcase, and even then the dude feels far more like Sandow in 2013 than Rollins in 2014/2015. Cena coming back for a feud with Theory would be such a letdown and painfully predictable, especially if the case hasn't been cashed in yet.
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Post by anglarite on Oct 30, 2022 13:16:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I've seen him in at least two bouts against the Judo Master, but the first one was a bit of a squash and the second had a dusty finish And then they buried Judo Master in an intergender handicap match.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 31, 2022 2:45:21 GMT -5
Remember that one year when they were gonna have Cena feud with LARS SULLIVAN
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 31, 2022 3:09:39 GMT -5
Remember that one year when they were gonna have Cena feud with LARS SULLIVAN If Lars and Theory were his suggested oponents it's understandable he's stayed away. The way he's been treated in later years will always baffle me, he should have the beat the record or at least cared about doing so as a character. Most of all I don't think I'll ever get over him not having a proper wm match with 'Taker when it would have mattered.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 31, 2022 3:37:23 GMT -5
I do think Cena could do another match, even this year if his schedule permitted, but I don't think it's something he owes WWE, especially given how weirdly resentful they've treated him on some of his returns, like he's some kind of nuisance instead of someone doing them a favor.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 31, 2022 3:41:06 GMT -5
Remember that one year when they were gonna have Cena feud with LARS SULLIVAN If Lars and Theory were his suggested oponents it's understandable he's stayed away. The way he's been treated in later years will always baffle me, he should have the beat the record or at least cared about doing so as a character. Most of all I don't think I'll ever get over him not having a proper wm match with 'Taker when it would have mattered. Yeah, they've treated him awfully after he stopped being full time. This is the former ACE of your company the man that carried it for over a decade basically THE reason they are making record profits were because of his hard work... and they give him things like the Awful Roman feuds where they talk about f***ing ratings and attendance records that no one could possibly care about and like... aren't solved by wrestling? Especially when Cena and Tribal Cheif Roman is easy as hell to write... Cena's good sportsmanship and work ethic style vs. Roman who is an any means necessary kinda guy? EASY STORY... the I don't have anything booked for Mania story where he came off looking like an idiot... and like immediately after he started that Braun said the same thing... GEE MAYBE THESE THINGS COULD SOLVE THEMSELVES... regardless that literally everyone should have been fighting to get to the ring first to challenge Cena... the survivor series where I think he just kinda stood around and was eliminated (but that might have been a scheduling thing?) I'm not saying he should still steam roll everyone but the last few times he's been back they've just not treated him like the star he is and it's weird.
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Post by thehottag on Oct 31, 2022 18:11:35 GMT -5
No point doing a Cena heel turn now, short of him being a full-time performer again. Guy will get cheered as a special attraction, if nothing else.
I feel Cena will wrestle again at some point, but obviously that's down to what he wants. Also, I find it so, so odd the way WWE treats the guy who was basically their be-all & end-all for ten years, as if he joined WCW or something.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 31, 2022 18:14:28 GMT -5
Yea. I'll never understand the way they've treated Cena the past few years.
Biggest star ever. "f*** him".
I don't get it.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 31, 2022 18:35:54 GMT -5
I've never thought he should turn heel. He never needed it. He was moving so much merch & bringing in so much money, they never needed to do it. Fans were buying tickets and ordering PPV's. Some to see him lose, others to see him win. The 50/50, (tho He got mostly cheers if we're being honest) made him heel to those who booed him. 50% + 50% = 100%, but the Cena years felt like 50% x 50% = 25%. The product, the show, and the character himself were all lesser for the fact that the booking and the fans couldn't get on the page. And it's not like WWE hasn't adjusted faces to become heels when the audience reaction started to turn (or likely would have turned in short order). The Rock became Hollywood Rock. Austin stayed ahead of the curve by embracing his sworn enemy, Vince McMahon. Bret Hart was vilified in the United States where the WWF ran most of its shows. Randy Savage exploded the Mega Powers because he was jealous of the Luster. I never saw anything in Cena that was beyond who those guys were and what they did in wrestling that meant that Cena could never, ever (forever ever?) turn heel. He was booked for ten years on having a new hat. Literally.
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Nov 1, 2022 15:16:42 GMT -5
It's weird that he hasn't had a match this year. However, when you have him in the ring and whining about not having a match at WrestleMania one year, and then bring up the ideas of him feuding with Theory and f***ing Lars, then I think it's a good thing he hasn't. If you're going to do something with him... If you're gonna contact him and bring him back for a match, then make it worthwhile. Make it mean something. His returns, barring WrestleMania 35 (which I found to be really entertaining), haven't really been up to snuff on behalf of the company that had him as their top guy for 10 years.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 1, 2022 15:47:35 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I wouldn't mind Cena vs. Theory for Mania 39. I think Theory's about to turn it up to another level if his performance last night is any indication. It's easy to have a good match with Seth, but Theory kept up with him at all times. His character can be annoying and not in a good way, but the dude has it.
In general, I agree with folks who have said Cena hasn't really been given the respect he deserves.
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Post by Woo on Nov 1, 2022 17:46:22 GMT -5
What a blessed year this is.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Nov 1, 2022 17:52:46 GMT -5
Cena still has one big one in him. I can't wait. All the nay sayers make no sense to me. Dude was over, sold merch, has arguably the greatest catalog of matches of any WWE Ace and has a pretty good public image. What more could you want? I'm not a Cena hater or anything, but I don't think overness or merch sales should be relevant to whether someone enjoys his work or not.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 1, 2022 17:53:46 GMT -5
If this holds true for the rest of the year, that means that Randy Orton would be the only wrestler remaining that has had a televised WWE/WWF match every year since 2002 (2001, technically, because he worked an enhancement match on Heat that year against Billy Gunn: youtu.be/0KnZuFJ5_Lo ).
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Nov 1, 2022 18:14:27 GMT -5
Cena still has one big one in him. I can't wait. All the nay sayers make no sense to me. Dude was over, sold merch, has arguably the greatest catalog of matches of any WWE Ace and has a pretty good public image. What more could you want? I'm not a Cena hater or anything, but I don't think overness or merch sales should be relevant to whether someone enjoys his work or not. These are actually measurable things. In determining the greatest ever, these are the only things that actually matter.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 1, 2022 18:39:58 GMT -5
I'm not a Cena hater or anything, but I don't think overness or merch sales should be relevant to whether someone enjoys his work or not. These are actually measurable things. In determining the greatest ever, these are the only things that actually matter. No, Butter’s right, and I say that as the devoted Cena guy. I’d say it’s relevant to his charisma and how WWE effectively took advantage of it, but that’s hardly different from any talented star and smart promoter. One could say the same about Ultimate Warrior, and he was still polarizing, as popular as he was. Everyone didn’t love Hogan in 1986 either.
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Post by Fade on Nov 1, 2022 19:11:35 GMT -5
After the Fiend feud, I chose to never get my hopes up for Cena again. The Roman feud was underwhelming and considering their history, could have been incredible.
But yea, I don’t think he’s done either. Honestly, the roster needs to step up cause there’s not a lot of entertaining options for a return feud for him.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Nov 2, 2022 10:27:08 GMT -5
Cena committed a cardinal sin in Vince's eyes (no he didn't sneeze in front of Vince.) he wanted to make money elsewhere.
The Rock leaving and becoming an even bigger star heavily dented Vince's ego, and he wouldn't put his full weight behind someone else who had an eye on trying their hand at splitting their time between wrestling and films/tv again. look at how wwe treated Batista's acting career sure no one expected Guardians of the Galaxy to be the big hit it was but they barely mentioned any of his other film roles (well until the zombie thing but that was more a cross promotion deal with netflix than a hey look Batista is the big star in this.) and he was a big name star for wwe for years.
Vince has always been a petty man, from the billionaire ted/hukster/nacho man skits to the self-destruction of the ultimate warrior dvd to people becoming persona non-grata the moment they leave the company there are multiple examples of him trying to drag people's worth down before they take the step towards becoming bigger than they currently are. The Rock is the exception for Vince to not doing any of his usual stuff.
with someone else in charge of wwe, we'll see how their treatment of people leaving to go do other stuff goes in the future.
I have no doubt if wwe were to give Cena a time frame of when they want him back for a short run that he could plan his film/tv work around that he would be back for it, but he wouldn't just be able to randomly do a few matches when he wants as possible injuries to him would mess up a lot of people's jobs.
watch him turn up on Saturday for a quick squash match.
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