2023 MLB Thread: Texas Rangers World Series Champions

[BRV]

Jul 27, 2023 9:27:41 GMT -5 sfvega said:

The problem is I don't trust the Angels to put together a winner this year or long-term. I'd sell Ohtani. You could ask the moon in prospects to the right team, and then you could build again. But they only have one top 100 prospect as is and they traded their next two best prospects for a starter that is normally inconsistent. And they do it when Houston has a better all-around team and Texas has a better all-around team, probably Seattle too. And now that you're not gonna compete for the division crown, you have to beat out Tampa and Toronto and Boston as well. And at a time when Trout is about to turn 32, is always banged up anymore, isn't in the conversation for best hitter in baseball anymore.

So I don't think it really matters if they sell him or keep him; they're going to stay a maddeningly aimless, below-average franchise regardless of what moves they do or don't make.

The Angels are truly in a no-win situation. They had the choice to retain Ohtani, go all-in on 2023 - despite being 4 games out of the Wild Card and 7 games out of the division - and keep their fingers crossed that Ohtani sees a future with the franchise and re-signs in the off-season. They also had the choice to concede that 2023 wasn't their year, deal Ohtani to the highest bidder, and sell the fanbase on the future of the organization built around Mike Trout and the glut of prospects they'd land in exchange for Shohei.

I admire them for going for it, even if it is a penny wise, pound foolish decision. Who knows, maybe they go on a hot streak with Lucas Giolito as their no. 2 starter and they make a push for October, and in doing so Ohtani buys in for a future in Anaheim. It probably won't happen, but they've decided to go all-in on Ohtani and hope that he leaves the season at least reconsidering remaining with the Halos. But when you have a generational player, you do everything you can to retain him, even if it comes at the expense of what the team might look like in 3-5 years.

[sfvega]

Jul 27, 2023 11:00:31 GMT -5 BRV said:

Jul 27, 2023 9:27:41 GMT -5 sfvega said:

The problem is I don't trust the Angels to put together a winner this year or long-term. I'd sell Ohtani. You could ask the moon in prospects to the right team, and then you could build again. But they only have one top 100 prospect as is and they traded their next two best prospects for a starter that is normally inconsistent. And they do it when Houston has a better all-around team and Texas has a better all-around team, probably Seattle too. And now that you're not gonna compete for the division crown, you have to beat out Tampa and Toronto and Boston as well. And at a time when Trout is about to turn 32, is always banged up anymore, isn't in the conversation for best hitter in baseball anymore.

So I don't think it really matters if they sell him or keep him; they're going to stay a maddeningly aimless, below-average franchise regardless of what moves they do or don't make.

The Angels are truly in a no-win situation. They had the choice to retain Ohtani, go all-in on 2023 - despite being 4 games out of the Wild Card and 7 games out of the division - and keep their fingers crossed that Ohtani sees a future with the franchise and re-signs in the off-season. They also had the choice to concede that 2023 wasn't their year, deal Ohtani to the highest bidder, and sell the fanbase on the future of the organization built around Mike Trout and the glut of prospects they'd land in exchange for Shohei.

I admire them for going for it, even if it is a penny wise, pound foolish decision. Who knows, maybe they go on a hot streak with Lucas Giolito as their no. 2 starter and they make a push for October, and in doing so Ohtani buys in for a future in Anaheim. It probably won't happen, but they've decided to go all-in on Ohtani and hope that he leaves the season at least reconsidering remaining with the Halos. But when you have a generational player, you do everything you can to retain him, even if it comes at the expense of what the team might look like in 3-5 years.

Yeah, but if you're going to push the chips in around Ohtani, the time to do it was not late July. Ideally it was 3 years ago, but I digress. Their pitching has been an issue all year. Imagine if you could have added a starter in ST or in May. And you're still going to have Detmers or Anderson starting in games they need to make up down the stretch.

[jm]

Ohtani today in a doubleheader vs the Tigers -
Game 1: Pitches a complete game 1 hit shutout
Game 2: Two homers thus far in the game

He's getting $700 million in the offseason.

[horsemen4ever]

So anyone have the MLB rule book, the Mets could be screwed tonight. The Mets just tied the game at 1 in the bottom of the 8th, and now there is a rain delay. If this game does not continue what happened. I know under the old rule, the end of the 7th inning is when the game would be considered complete and thus the Nationals would win 1-0 in 7 innings, is that rule still in place?

[fw91]

Mets win, but they officially become sellers. David Robertson shipped to The Marlins.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 27, 2023 22:45:21 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Mets win, but they officially become sellers. David Robertson shipped to The Marlins.

The Marlin's being buyers is really weird, I guess even after losing what 8 straight they think they can still stop the bleeding?

If they're trading in division though it's time for the Phillies to get Tommy Pham...

[animaniac]

Mets get Marco Vargas and Ronald Hetnandez for Robertson. Neither guy is a top 10 prospect for the Marlins according to mlb although Vargas is 9th on Fangraphs.

Sounds like an Eppler trade to me!

[fw91]

Jul 27, 2023 22:49:48 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 27, 2023 22:45:21 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Mets win, but they officially become sellers. David Robertson shipped to The Marlins.

The Marlin's being buyers is really weird, I guess even after losing what 8 straight they think they can still stop the bleeding?

Robertson is a good player but I don't think they gave up much. Seems like more of a "let's make a small move, and see what happens in the age of 3 wc teams" than being a full buyer

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mets went from highest payroll in baseball and world series push to sellers in THREE MONTHS

You cannot make this shit up

MEET THE METS LIVES!!

[Allie Kitsune]

Jul 27, 2023 22:55:25 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Mets went from highest payroll in baseball and world series push to sellers in THREE MONTHS

You cannot make this shit up

MEET THE METS LIVES!!

LOLMets never goes away, it just evolves into new, ever-baffling forms.

[jm]

Jul 27, 2023 22:55:25 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Mets went from highest payroll in baseball and world series push to sellers in THREE MONTHS

You cannot make this shit up

MEET THE METS LIVES!!

ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL METING!!!

[horsemen4ever]

If this game is played tonight, do the Yankees scratch Judge from the lineup to protect from the sloppy field?

[Perd]

7 in a row and over .500, baby! And what a way to do it!

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

What sucks about this Cubs run is it's gonna make them buy instead of sell I know it

Which seems rather dumb of them to do because I don't see any way they keep Stroman and Bellinger so they'd just let them walk for nothing and potentially still miss a wildcard.

[fw91]

Jul 28, 2023 23:11:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

What sucks about this Cubs run is it's gonna make them buy instead of sell I know it

Which seems rather dumb of them to do because I don't see any way they keep Stroman and Bellinger so they'd just let them walk for nothing and potentially still miss a wildcard.

agreed. Even though the Mets might not have gotten a great return for Robertson, I'm glad they didn't wait after the Nationals and Royals series where they can feasibly be close to .500 and fool themselves into thinking they were still in it.

[hashtagdaley/JudasDay]

Jul 28, 2023 22:17:13 GMT -5 Perd said:

7 in a row and over .500, baby! And what a way to do it!

Mike Tauchman is that dude. It’s a shame he can’t hit for shit.

[Perd]

The Cubsare 3.5 games out of a playoff spot. They play in an entirely mediocre division. They 100% not sell. Their goal, to start the season, was to be competitive in August and September. And I think their remaining schedule gives them a chance to  do that. Give me that over a handful of A-ball players, that even if they pan out, won’t be here for 3-4 years.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 29, 2023 1:28:30 GMT -5 Perd said:

The Cubsare 3.5 games out of a playoff spot. They play in an entirely mediocre division. They 100% not sell. Their goal, to start the season, was to be competitive in August and September. And I think their remaining schedule gives them a chance to  do that. Give me that over a handful of A-ball players, that even if they pan out, won’t be here for 3-4 years.

Stroman and Bellinger won't be here next year either with the money they're likely gonna ask for, it's why I said they should get something now and both would likely command a nice haul of talent if they did trade them

If they go all in for a push then I hope it pans out but if it doesn't next season feels like they're still gonna be in a rough position losing that

I'm not just saying all this because I'm a Phillies fan and I want Cody Bellinger by the way

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2023 1:28:30 GMT -5 Perd said:

The Cubsare 3.5 games out of a playoff spot. They play in an entirely mediocre division. They 100% not sell. Their goal, to start the season, was to be competitive in August and September. And I think their remaining schedule gives them a chance to  do that. Give me that over a handful of A-ball players, that even if they pan out, won’t be here for 3-4 years.

Yeah the Central is winnable, and the WC is up in the air with a couple of teams who might have overachieved early (Marlins, D-Backs). I think the Cubs should stay the course here. It's not like the Angels who have to overtake a bunch of much better teams to get in. 

I know it's a seller's market, but not sure they'd get difference making prospects for rentals even if they decided to trade Bellinger and Stroman. 

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jul 29, 2023 1:28:30 GMT -5 Perd said:

The Cubsare 3.5 games out of a playoff spot. They play in an entirely mediocre division. They 100% not sell. Their goal, to start the season, was to be competitive in August and September. And I think their remaining schedule gives them a chance to  do that. Give me that over a handful of A-ball players, that even if they pan out, won’t be here for 3-4 years.

Yeah, Cubs is much different from Angels. No reason for them to sell and Strowman has been open about wanting to come back, it is the Cubs that have been iffy about an extension 

Even if they leave, it is isn't a deal breaker for them. This is a good chance for Cubs to bring in some good vibes and momentum. If they were 6-7 games back you sell but they should let it ride. They don't even have to add pieces if they don't want to right now