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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 9, 2023 21:43:22 GMT -5
Steve Cohen got interviewed by Mets' radio announcer Howie Rose, and ended up talking about the development that's going to happen around Citi Field. For those that don't know, the Mets' location in Queens has long been right across the street from a bunch of auto repair chop shops, which in turn were built upon the famous "Valley of Ashes" that Fitzgerald wrote about in The Great Gatsby. While Shea Stadium/Citi Field have Flushing Meadows and Corona Park nearby, plus Main Street in Flushing, none of them are right next to the park, so you'd basically ride the train to a game and not have anything in the immediate area to do...which is now on track to eventually change. That said, when I hear about it it kind of sounds like what the Cardinals and Braves have done, or maybe a little like that big mall-style development in Foxboro by the Pats' stadium. Better than nothing, I guess, but God I so much prefer just being in a city and getting to walk right up to a park or arena from a real neighborhood. Loved doing that in San Fran, Chicago, and Boston for baseball, love doing it for hockey in various cities, just such a better, more organic atmosphere. That's why I loved when the Devils moved from being in a literal swamp in the Meadowlands to smack dab in Downtown Newark. Granted it's still Newark but in one of the much less murdery parts of town. Just has that city energy to it. I'm not a Mets fan, but I've been to CitiField for other things and Chop Shop City is just depressing. I wish they'd get a real neighborhood around it. But like you said, the plan is better than nothing. God, I was 21 or 22 years old during the last season in the Meadowlands, and I went to exactly one game as an adult there. I drive Rt. 3 enough, I don't need the headache of fighting to get on there from a crowded parking lot...and yeah, honestly, it was the news that the Devils were moving to Newark that got me to become a much bigger hockey fan in the first place, since I grew up right outside the city and was excited to see a team move in there. I still remember all the talk of people being all "Ugh, I won't go see a game in Newark", because sheltered suburbanites are hilarious (a bunch of them doing the same thing now that the Jersey Jackals indy baseball team is moving from Berra Stadium on Rt 46 to Paterson). Meantime you go to Devils games in Newark and you get to grab a bite at Hobby's, or drinks at Bello's, and the arena's right on the border of downtown and the Ironbound, which is a pleasant part of town, and you can only laugh at the weirdness some people have about the whole thing. With the Mets, I really need to try and visit Main Street in Flushing before a game at some point; apparently you can basically get the best Chinese pork buns on nearly every street corner, and there's a few pubs there...but it's a 1 mile walk from the Main St. 7 train stop to Citi Field, which I don't mind but I imagine some folks who might go to games with me wouldn't be in the mood for. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 9, 2023 22:48:14 GMT -5
That's why I loved when the Devils moved from being in a literal swamp in the Meadowlands to smack dab in Downtown Newark. Granted it's still Newark but in one of the much less murdery parts of town. Just has that city energy to it. I'm not a Mets fan, but I've been to CitiField for other things and Chop Shop City is just depressing. I wish they'd get a real neighborhood around it. But like you said, the plan is better than nothing. God, I was 21 or 22 years old during the last season in the Meadowlands, and I went to exactly one game as an adult there. I drive Rt. 3 enough, I don't need the headache of fighting to get on there from a crowded parking lot...and yeah, honestly, it was the news that the Devils were moving to Newark that got me to become a much bigger hockey fan in the first place, since I grew up right outside the city and was excited to see a team move in there. I still remember all the talk of people being all "Ugh, I won't go see a game in Newark", because sheltered suburbanites are hilarious (a bunch of them doing the same thing now that the Jersey Jackals indy baseball team is moving from Berra Stadium on Rt 46 to Paterson). Meantime you go to Devils games in Newark and you get to grab a bite at Hobby's, or drinks at Bello's, and the arena's right on the border of downtown and the Ironbound, which is a pleasant part of town, and you can only laugh at the weirdness some people have about the whole thing. With the Mets, I really need to try and visit Main Street in Flushing before a game at some point; apparently you can basically get the best Chinese pork buns on nearly every street corner, and there's a few pubs there...but it's a 1 mile walk from the Main St. 7 train stop to Citi Field, which I don't mind but I imagine some folks who might go to games with me wouldn't be in the mood for. Another nice bonus about the Rock is that it's only a few blocks from Newark Penn. So going by train is real feasible with several NJ Transit lines connecting there without having to switch. Meadowlands, on the other hand, was "lol public transportation." Granted, the Meadowlands line exists now, but that wasn't opened until a couple of years after the Devils left for Newark. And it's still kinda shit because the only way to even use it is to transfer from Secaucus. |
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Post by animaniac on Feb 13, 2023 11:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 13, 2023 12:49:35 GMT -5
MLB and MLBPA discussing position pitcher changes
Looks like it will go from 6 runs for a position player to be eligible to pitch to now 8-10 runs
I’m fine with that. It happened way too much last year
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 13, 2023 13:12:48 GMT -5
Nationals Founding Managing Principal Owner, Theodore N. Lerner has died at 97.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 13, 2023 15:40:46 GMT -5
Ghost runner in the regular season is now permanent.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 13, 2023 15:50:10 GMT -5
Ghost runner in the regular season is now permanent.  |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Feb 13, 2023 16:52:32 GMT -5
The ghost runner is probably the worst rule in all of sports. Just get rid of extra innings altogether and do a running possession arrow or a coin flip or a home run derby or a free throw contest. It isn’t baseball anymore at that point, so who cares what they do.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 13, 2023 17:33:10 GMT -5
It just goes to show the disconnect between the players/owners and the fans. A lot of the fans hate this rule. Meanwhile it passed the joint competition committee unanimously.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 13, 2023 17:49:58 GMT -5
It's really asinine; the entire point was to cut down on the number of super-long extra inning games, but the reality was that the vast majority of extra inning games never made it past the 12th inning to begin with, and the ghost runner hasn't appreciably shortened things, either.
It hit me while watching a hockey shootout last night: the big issue here is that these gimmicks just aren't fun to watch compared with something at least akin to actual play. I get MLB having a concern that relief pitching has gotten so strong that games are too likely to run long and lead to more potential injuries, but good God, at bare minimum change this rule so that there's no ghost runner until the 12th or something.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 13, 2023 18:16:25 GMT -5
Great, I love the ghost runner on 2nd. Playoffs it can stay off but regular season keep it coming
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Post by horsemen4ever on Feb 13, 2023 18:50:31 GMT -5
Ghost runner in the regular season is now permanent. Talk about tone death, worst commissioner in sports. Even Goodell is not this bad. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 13, 2023 18:52:18 GMT -5
Commissioner had nothing to do with it. This was a unanimous decision made by a joint committee with both MLB and MLPBA representatives. So the players and team execs love it.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Feb 13, 2023 20:25:25 GMT -5
In a way, it kind of makes me sad that a lot of these solutions to “fix” baseball, is to have less baseball. I understand that some people don’t like to watch 5 hour baseball games. I get that. By it there used to be a time when getting extra innings was great because you got basically free baseball. Now it seems like one of things that’s supposed to be one of the more exciting part of sports, extra innings or overtime, and it seems like nobody wants that and just want to get the hell out. Again, I get it to some degree, but I love baseball. And the more baseball I get, the better.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 13, 2023 21:32:10 GMT -5
That's why I loved when the Devils moved from being in a literal swamp in the Meadowlands to smack dab in Downtown Newark. Granted it's still Newark but in one of the much less murdery parts of town. Just has that city energy to it. I'm not a Mets fan, but I've been to CitiField for other things and Chop Shop City is just depressing. I wish they'd get a real neighborhood around it. But like you said, the plan is better than nothing. God, I was 21 or 22 years old during the last season in the Meadowlands, and I went to exactly one game as an adult there. I drive Rt. 3 enough, I don't need the headache of fighting to get on there from a crowded parking lot...and yeah, honestly, it was the news that the Devils were moving to Newark that got me to become a much bigger hockey fan in the first place, since I grew up right outside the city and was excited to see a team move in there. I still remember all the talk of people being all "Ugh, I won't go see a game in Newark", because sheltered suburbanites are hilarious (a bunch of them doing the same thing now that the Jersey Jackals indy baseball team is moving from Berra Stadium on Rt 46 to Paterson). Meantime you go to Devils games in Newark and you get to grab a bite at Hobby's, or drinks at Bello's, and the arena's right on the border of downtown and the Ironbound, which is a pleasant part of town, and you can only laugh at the weirdness some people have about the whole thing. With the Mets, I really need to try and visit Main Street in Flushing before a game at some point; apparently you can basically get the best Chinese pork buns on nearly every street corner, and there's a few pubs there...but it's a 1 mile walk from the Main St. 7 train stop to Citi Field, which I don't mind but I imagine some folks who might go to games with me wouldn't be in the mood for. But please tell me when you visit Main Street... you can inprompt offers for a "massage" by an eldery women. But if you want to go to an underrated pizza spot. Grab a slice at Lucia's up Roosevelt and Main. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 14, 2023 8:19:55 GMT -5
In a way, it kind of makes me sad that a lot of these solutions to “fix” baseball, is to have less baseball. I understand that some people don’t like to watch 5 hour baseball games. I get that. By it there used to be a time when getting extra innings was great because you got basically free baseball. Now it seems like one of things that’s supposed to be one of the more exciting part of sports, extra innings or overtime, and it seems like nobody wants that and just want to get the hell out. Again, I get it to some degree, but I love baseball. And the more baseball I get, the better. The total and complete absurdity of it all is that MLB could fix their entire pacing issue with one move: actually call the rules already on the books concerning how long pitchers have to throw the ball, and how frequently batters are allowed to step out of the box. They said they'd do this a few years ago, with the idea that players who didn't abide by the rules (pitchers have x number of seconds to throw, batters can't step out except for a few situations) would be fined something like $100 per infraction. David Ortiz publicly said he didn't care and would pay whatever fines he got, and the league just stopped enforcing it. Easy solution: don't make it a fine, make it an automatic ball against the pitcher or strike against the hitter. But they won't do that, because reasons, so instead we get ghost runners and limited mound visits and no more four pitch intentional walks and a bunch of other stuff that have all added up to doing less than nothing to address pace of play issues. Grant Brisbee did a great deep dive on this a few years ago: he compared a game from 1984 and a game from 2014 that basically had similar line scores and on the surface should've had similar run times, then calculated why the 2014 game took so much longer. Answer? Time between pitches. That's it. That's literally the entire issue. www.sbnation.com/a/mlb-2017-season-preview/game-lengthPitchers take forever between pitches now because they've been coached to go max effort on every single pitch, so they need recovery time between tosses. This max effort approach has contributed to the "three true outcomes" problem (seemingly every AB ending in a strikeout, walk, or home run) and to the issue of teams needing to go to the bullpen early, because the starters are wiped out after 6 innings or whatever. Like, some of the changes this offseason marked the first time in Manfred's tenure that I thought "oh, these might actually be decent", namely the pitch clock (again, shouldn't be necessary, there's already a rule for that on the books!), limiting the shift after it went too far, slightly larger bases...but even then they had to introduce the whole idea of only allowing a couple throw overs to a base when there's a runner on, which is another asinine way to try and "speed things up" or induce more steals but will likely end up contributing nothing to the proceedings. Meantime, the solution to every single freaking problem the league feels it has has been sitting there, unused, for decades now, already in the rulebook. It's malpractice. Between all that plus MLB's desire to make its product as inaccessible as humanly possible, they can't really be wondering why the NBA is beating them by some metrics, now. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 14, 2023 11:41:06 GMT -5
I'm sure the "max effort" approach to pitching is also why so many pitchers get UCL tears and need Tommy John's surgery now compared to yesteryear.
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Post by ghost on Feb 14, 2023 17:51:02 GMT -5
I like the extra inning rule. The fact that it's only for the regular season and not for the playoffs is the right call as well. Does anyone benefit from long extra inning games? The players don't, the league doesn't get more money out of it, and if you look at the stands during any regular season game that ends in the 18th inning it's basically 10 people there. Even TV viewers are probably going to tune out at some point. End the regular season games as quickly as possible. Both teams get the ghost runner so it's not like it's unfair to either side. I understand it takes some getting used to, especially for long time fans, but I think it was necessary. The fact that the players agreed to it too is a good indication that it's universal accepted within the game now.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 14, 2023 18:59:08 GMT -5
I like the extra inning rule. The fact that it's only for the regular season and not for the playoffs is the right call as well. Does anyone benefit from long extra inning games? The players don't, the league doesn't get more money out of it, and if you look at the stands during any regular season game that ends in the 18th inning it's basically 10 people there. Even TV viewers are probably going to tune out at some point. End the regular season games as quickly as possible. Both teams get the ghost runner so it's not like it's unfair to either side. I understand it takes some getting used to, especially for long time fans, but I think it was necessary. The fact that the players agreed to it too is a good indication that it's universal accepted within the game now. The problem is it isn’t entertaining to a lot of fans, and again, that it was never like 18 inning games were common to begin with. Again, I’d get it if they did it after 11 or 12 innings or something, but doing it immediately just sucks, feels so gimmicky. |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Feb 14, 2023 19:08:12 GMT -5
I like the extra inning rule. The fact that it's only for the regular season and not for the playoffs is the right call as well. Does anyone benefit from long extra inning games? The players don't, the league doesn't get more money out of it, and if you look at the stands during any regular season game that ends in the 18th inning it's basically 10 people there. Even TV viewers are probably going to tune out at some point. End the regular season games as quickly as possible. Both teams get the ghost runner so it's not like it's unfair to either side. I understand it takes some getting used to, especially for long time fans, but I think it was necessary. The fact that the players agreed to it too is a good indication that it's universal accepted within the game now. Well if they have to do it, I have two compromises which I think is fair. We don't put the ghost runner till the 11th or 12th inning Have the playoff extra inning rule in September, if back in the day they had 40 man rosters for the stretch run, why can't we do that here? |
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