Are you tired of ROH being a focal point of AEW TV?

[champchumpchange]

Yes / no - and why.

I'll go first - yes. I'm tired of seemingly every match being a title match, sort of takes away some of the shine off of the actual belts I care about (those being the AEW ones, as I tune into AEW, and not another promotion). Mix that in with the rarity in which belts change hands and you have a recipe for a whole lot of "okay, but... who cares?".

This second point might just apply to me, as I don't watch much wrestling outside AEW and WWE (see: none), but I am not interested at all in any of the ROH factions that have been brought up to feud with AEW talent, like the one fronted by Maria and the one that has Brian Cage in it. There's so much underused and underserved talent on the AEW roster that I really want to see that having Jay Lethal take up a spot every week (assuming he's going to be a ROH guy) is maddening.

Do like Them Briscoes though...

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Not really. The main focal point has been a few of the titles but they're on decidedly AEW guys so it doesn't matter to me. I have been a fan of WWE promotions for a lot of my life and they've often featured titles from other promotions so it doesn't really bother me in any way.

[tntchamp]

Yes for sure. That ROH stuff is just not that interesting and it feels like it is interfering with the product AEW is trying to have. Giving all this focus and spotlight to ROH is taking time off the AEW talent.

[polarbearpete]

Yes, it’s hard to explain but it definitely seems to dilute the show a bit, even if a lot of the wrestlers being featured in ROH-related angles are AEW wrestlers.

Get rid of all of the ROH titles and branding from the show and I think you’d get a more focused, tighter show than what’s been presented lately.

[chrom]

All the ROH guys out there and the best they can think of using is Lethal.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Depends on which part, I guess. This Jericho story is a slog, but I have no objections to decidedly AEW guys being used to give more value to the name. But it's definitely taken up so much of the show this past year and it's definitely cost the show a lot of focus. I just hope there's a specific endgame and point in mind, because ROH needs it own something in some way real f***ing soon.

[Deleted]

I love ROH and spent alot of time in the early 2000s in the Chicago Ridge Frontier Fieldhouse but yeah all of this seems like a disservice to everyone involved.

It's completely cluttered up whatever AEW is as an identifiable property and has reduced ROH to just a few random people...

Reminds me more of TNA style factions of defunct wrestling companies than another brand on AEW tv

[markymark]

From yesterday Media Call

David Bixenspan asks about the criticism towards ROH bogging down the AEW television with the ROH World Title on the line for the first time on an AEW PPV.

TK says he wants to bring Ring of Honor television to the airwaves and it’s something he is pursuing with Warner Bros. Discovery.

[clifford]

I agree about the sheer amount of title matches cheapening the championships as a whole. A few weeks ago on Dynamite (the one with Jericho vs. Colt), 4 out of the 5 matches were title matches, and it was like... 'who cares'?

Final Battle would be a great time to just...deemphasize ROH on AEW tv as a whole. Scale it back, and if your ROH champs after Final Battle are also AEW stars, have them on AEW tv sure, but like, have the fact that they are AEW wrestlers, and not ROH champions, be the focal point.

[Dub H]

Yes very much, specially when the ROh talent isnt particually interesting and overshadow the AEW talent in TV time.

The only exception is Joe, because Joe kicks ass

[Gerard Gerard]

So much, it has played a significant part of my disconnecting with the current product and I say that as once weekly live watcher based in Europe.

I don't know what demand there is for a revived ROH as it's not something I see in the circles I frequent. Not to talk too greatly out of turn as I obviously have no idea what's actually going on, but ROH seems like a bigger deal in TK's head and resurrecting the brand seems like a stubborn point of pride rather than satisfying any gap in the market.

At this rate, it feels like all of the roster and title bloat of the WCW/ECW invasion but dragged out longer, is less interesting and confuses the product. I actively pray for the day that they merge ROH in AEW properly with unifications and whatnot, and let the brand finally RIP. I will take an ROH spinoff I don't have to pay attention to as a distant, minor consolation prize.

Like the only immediately positive I can conjure currently is that the ROH/AEW has allowed Claudio to finally become (technically) a world champion.

[Mecca]

Nov 18, 2022 11:16:53 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Yes very much, specially when the ROh talent isnt particually interesting and overshadow the AEW talent in TV time.

The only exception is Joe, because Joe kicks ass

Aren't all the guys wrestling AEW guys though?

[Dub H]

Nov 18, 2022 11:38:33 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Nov 18, 2022 11:16:53 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Yes very much, specially when the ROh talent isnt particually interesting and overshadow the AEW talent in TV time.

The only exception is Joe, because Joe kicks ass

Aren't all the guys wrestling AEW guys though?

It really, especially when the show themselves market then as such. It's all about their story on Roh, it's a roh invasion stable it's all about their roh history

[Mecca]

Nov 18, 2022 11:42:23 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Nov 18, 2022 11:38:33 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Aren't all the guys wrestling AEW guys though?

It really, especially when the show themselves market then as such. It's all about their story on Roh, it's a roh invasion stable it's all about their roh history

I think the biggest issue with it is when everyone went nuts about how many titles were on WWF TV after they bought WCW, people lose their minds over titles.

[markymark]

Nov 18, 2022 11:15:24 GMT -5 clifford said:

I agree about the sheer amount of title matches cheapening the championships as a whole. A few weeks ago on Dynamite (the one with Jericho vs. Colt), 4 out of the 5 matches were title matches, and it was like... 'who cares'?

Final Battle would be a great time to just...deemphasize ROH on AEW tv as a whole. Scale it back, and if your ROH champs after Final Battle are also AEW stars, have them on AEW tv sure, but like, have the fact that they are AEW wrestlers, and not ROH champions, be the focal point.

Could see it happening

[Jindrak Mark]

It's all AEW. They might still use the name but ROH as we knew it died when AEW bought it, or probably even before that when they had that shutdown last year. It's like when WWE made ECW a show under its umbrella. It's just a WWE C brand now. It might be an enjoyable C brand but it's not actually ECW/ROH anymore. And just like WWE didn't trust ECW to draw on its own and would have constant main roster stars show up ROH/AEW seems like it's going to follow the same path with the likes of Jericho and FTR carrying the brand so far who have no ROH history.

The idea of Jericho winning the ROH title in preparation for a TV deal and him trying to beat all the former ROH people was actually a decent idea at first but that story is stale now. For one, it doesn't appear that a TV deal is actually imminent. Meltzer said again yesterday that they were no further along with that that they were a couple of months ago. And with Punk gone Danielson is by far the biggest ROH guy they have and Jericho has already beaten him multiple times. The story has taken place backwards. If Jericho has already proven he can beat the best/biggest ROH stars like Danielson and Claudio then no one is going to buy him losing when he's then facing relative mid-low carders like Cabana/Castle/Bandido in random TV matches.

Also, why do you need Dark and Dark Elevation? Turn one into a ROH exclusive show and if it draws good numbers on Youtube that can be a selling point to show TV networks. And if it doesn't draw well then it's probably not going to do well on TV either anyway.

[Kalmia]

Yes. The best part of ROH, for me, is Dalton Castle and he's barely on TV. Give him all of Jay Lethal's matches and I'd be 200% more invested.

(Sorry to drag Lethal into it again, hahaha)

[ghost]

The options to this poll should have been “yes” and “hell yes”. Either answer would suffice.

[dbrussel]

Nope cause is not a focal point. JAS takes the 90% of the ROH time on Dynamite

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Nov 18, 2022 13:42:09 GMT -5 dbrussel said:

Nope cause is not a focal point. JAS takes the 90% of the ROH time on Dynamite

I am sorry but to say that ROH is not a focal point of AEW tv is a hard sell...ROH's and our own Ian Riccaboni opened Dynamite on Wednesday.