Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2022 17:05:19 GMT -5
Wasn't Lethal signed to an AEW contract a good few months before Tony officially purchased ROH? Sanjay Dutt is an AEW producer of some sort who's been around behind-the-scenes before becoming an AEW on-screen talent. Singh is an AEW pet project. Jarrett is also an AEW signing both on and off-camera. And they're feuding with two AEW guys in Darby and Sting. I don't mean to make this sound like a threat, but the Lethal AEW appearances will continue whether or not ROH gets its own shows. Basically, he was signed when ROH was a sunken ship and was set to die He's only been back doing ROH programs because well... he was an ROH mainstay for years and years, and it's a big reason every time he pops up on FAN you can hear pained screams of the damned
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 18, 2022 17:28:50 GMT -5
Yes. So tired. So many title belts. AEW have too many belts as it is
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Nov 18, 2022 17:36:10 GMT -5
God yes but not simply because it's Ring of Honor, a company I loved from around 2006-2012. It's the fact it has diminished a couple of the main things I really enjoyed about AEW this time last year these being a large focus on personal stories and a tight grip on the no. of championships which was in stark contrast to WWE who also have way too many.
Doesn't help that while the situation remains unresolved Tony decided to introduce two more AEW championships which I think would be overkill even with the ROH titles present.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in a year we've gone from these being present from week to week:
AEW World AEW World Tag TNT AEW World Women's TBS
To these:
AEW World AEW World Tag TNT AEW World Women's TBS AEW Trios AEW All Atlantic ROH World ROH Pure ROH World Tag ROH TV ROH Women's
That's not including the occasional New Japan or AAA title defenses/appearances either.
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dbrussel
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Post by dbrussel on Nov 18, 2022 17:50:18 GMT -5
Nope cause is not a focal point. JAS takes the 90% of the ROH time on Dynamite I am sorry but to say that ROH is not a focal point of AEW tv is a hard sell...ROH's and our own Ian Riccaboni opened Dynamite on Wednesday. ROH Women's Champ works Elevation when healthy ROH Tag Champs FTR are barely on the shows. Only defend the titles on PPV ROH TV Champ Samoa Joe barely defends outside ROH PPVs. Now feuding for the TNT Title. All Atlantic Champ Orange Cassidy had more TV time in the last 3 weeks than ROH Pure Champ Daniel Garcia in the last 2 months ROH Dynamite time is basically for Chris Jericho Had to double check the Full Gear card....but there is only 1 ROH match of a total 10
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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Nov 18, 2022 17:52:53 GMT -5
Didn't hear the third you listed, but the first two have been wonderful additions to the booth. They're polished and can tell can a story. Bobby is the Ring Announcer, and is used on AEW for ROH guys entrances, he's good at it imo. I like him way more than Justin Roberts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2022 17:58:22 GMT -5
I am sorry but to say that ROH is not a focal point of AEW tv is a hard sell...ROH's and our own Ian Riccaboni opened Dynamite on Wednesday. ROH Women's Champ works Elevation when healthy ROH Tag Champs FTR are barely on the shows. Only defend the titles on PPV ROH TV Champ Samoa Joe barely defends outside ROH PPVs. Now feuding for the TNT Title. All Atlantic Champ Orange Cassidy had more TV time in the last 3 weeks than ROH Pure Champ Daniel Garcia in the last 2 months ROH Dynamite time is basically for Chris Jericho That actually highlights a lot of the problem...It's ROH in name and intended execution but 95% of it is nonconsequential or leads to anything really...The fact that the belts basically have no meaning doubles down on that. It's a really strange situation
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 18, 2022 17:58:36 GMT -5
Yes, too many damn title belts.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Nov 18, 2022 19:02:28 GMT -5
It's definitely been my biggest complaint lately.
It's not enough to make me skip the shows or anything, as they're usually still entertaining enough for my tastes, but I'm definitely ready for ROH to get its own show. Haven't done exhaustive detailed comparisons or anything, but it feels like we're getting less of the fun/silly elements of Dynamite and more dry straight-laced stuff, as a result of giving ROH adequate TV time.
Sure, Jericho's playing up the sports entertainer gimmick, Hager's got a funny hat, etc. But I miss the wilder nonsense that really made AEW feel unique.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 18, 2022 20:25:51 GMT -5
It’s what started making me feel off about the product. Even before Punks implosion. ROH is built on a niche aspect of wrestling that has sporadically caught fire. AEW was on the cusp of establishing their identity past All Out 2021. It’s a mixture of styles, and it comes off as convoluted. The lingering call of “ROH is getting its own show” keeps ringing.
FWIW, I think the “make dark or elevation” an ROH show is a good idea.
It hasn’t done either brand a service. Except good matches. What would have been cool is if occasionally ROH showed up on AEW, maybe even showed off a bit, but never competed, with the thinking of “You have to tune into ROH to see that”. And personally, it’s hard for me as a viewer because I keep hearing “it’s getting its own show soon” so I’m like “I don’t know who to invest in.”. With the exception of Dalton, Bandido and Jericho, I just don’t give a shit. I’m willing to give ROH a chance LATER when it’s own thing, but this mixture that’s harmed the quality of both (imo) has actually put me off ROH, more than enticed me.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 18, 2022 20:29:40 GMT -5
It was something I was opposed to to begin with and the longer it goes on the more obnoxious it is.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Nov 18, 2022 23:09:26 GMT -5
Oh hell yes.
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Brood Lone Wolf Funker
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Nov 18, 2022 23:32:26 GMT -5
The only positive is that it hasn't reached GFW as the the focal point of Impact levels of bad yet
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 18, 2022 23:42:14 GMT -5
If they're truly not any closer than they were before on a TV deal then they really need to either replace Elevation with a dedicated ROH show or just unify the titles and kill the branding for the time being. Having it continue to limp on as this zombie of a promotion with AEW just inexplicably having two of every title on the same show for no apparent reason is just stupid and messy. If months of doing what they've been doing hasn't gotten ROH the momentum to parlay into its own show I don't really see why continuing to do what they're doing ever would.
Like if nothing else Tony could start doing more periodic shows in the ROH name or something? Surely with all the random indies operating out there he could swing better than putting on one PPV every few months if it was just about keeping the brand active.
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Post by King Devitt on Nov 19, 2022 0:22:46 GMT -5
Yup. I had to stop watching weekly for a variety of reasons, but the ROH bogging down the shows was one of them.
Most of the talent is just "there", which was an issue prior to ROH, but now is even more magnified.
Like if ROH had it's own show Daniel Garcia would be a standout with his Pure Title defenses, and yeah he gets on TV once in awhile, but it doesn't feel important.
Actually "Nothing feels important" might be the main issue I have with AEW as a whole.
Hell you have Wheeler Yuta who had that amazing "star making performance" and I called it that he would be just another body in 2 months. That shouldn't be how it is.
I'm trying not to be too harsh about it, I get it's gotta be a bitch of a thing to juggle and trying to secure a TV deal, but there's gotta be a better way to do it without harming both of your brands, and AEW as a whole.
Right now the product is not fun to watch, and I'm relegated to watching via DVR so I can fast forward which was a staple of mine for Raw for years until I gave up on that show entirely (pre-Vince f***ing off for good)
I hope Khan can land them a TV slot, and if not, like Lizuka said replace Elevation with it for now.
AEW feels ice cold in so many ways. ROH feels stifled.
I get there are people who don't mind it, but for me it's not fun TV.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 19, 2022 2:48:10 GMT -5
Like if ROH had it's own show Daniel Garcia would be a standout with his Pure Title defenses, and yeah he gets on TV once in awhile, but it doesn't feel important. I feel like in hindsight the stupid heel swerve is going to be looked back on as having killed Garcia dead. They dragged out turning him a lot longer than they should have but having him cement being with the JAS after all that put him firmly in, "Who cares about this f***ing dork," territory.
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Nov 19, 2022 3:39:58 GMT -5
Like if ROH had it's own show Daniel Garcia would be a standout with his Pure Title defenses, and yeah he gets on TV once in awhile, but it doesn't feel important. I feel like in hindsight the stupid heel swerve is going to be looked back on as having killed Garcia dead. They dragged out turning him a lot longer than they should have but having him cement being with the JAS after all that put him firmly in, "Who cares about this f***ing dork," territory. Yeah TK has a habit of letting things drag on too long, and then when they do happen it's either a. who cares now? or b. the wrong decision Not always, but it's definitely one of his biggest booking flaws. Especially glaring being in the "Post 2 year plan he had for AEW's booking" phase we've been in. Like they had a perfect opportunity to make Garcia a nice underdog babyface, and while he still could be down the line, the chance was definitely squandered when he showed he could pull it off. Dude sold his ass off in that feud at being conflicted, and now he's no better than he was prior, except he's Pure champion on a brand that feels square pegged into AEW's round hole. He, like so many others, could be used so much better than they are. Too many people feel like "just another body" and ROH being in the mix isn't helping at all. As I've said I get why it's like this, and it can't be easy trying to juggle it all, but so many could be doing so much more even with that they have now. But then again it can't be easy when you have 2,378 people on your roster
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Post by cornettesracket on Nov 19, 2022 10:07:27 GMT -5
My worry and why I voted yes is because trying to book for two companies on two TV shows, TK runs the risk of booking well for either. And yes there is far too many titles.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 19, 2022 15:39:13 GMT -5
If ROH gets it’s own show, I’ll try my best to check it out if I have time.
But you can see TK trying to juggle too much stuff right now and it is affecting the quality of the shows.
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